Windows 8 To Hit Store Shelves Late October, But Do People Care?

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RichD

I think MS have over estimated the touch screen PC market that its new OS is targeted at and like vista the desktop world is not ready for the type of interface. I am sure many people will move over to the new operating system but as soon as people figure out how to disable the Metro interface and return the desktop to its more natural state for the normal keyboard and mouse users, we will see people taking that option instead. MS will also see a near zero uptake in the developing countries where most of its features, build into windows 8, are not available reducing the efficiency and effect intended by the OS. I'm afraid I'm with most people on this, MS this is a miss, welcome back windows vista, have you learn't nothing from your past mistakes.

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maxeeemum

It's more like Vista times a thousand. I've used many operating systems, mainly Linux, and I have no problem figuring out how they work. Windows 8 is the worst OS I've ever used. It's really, really, really, really, really, BAD!!!!!

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AzMonguse

Well so far I got to play with 8 fro a day or two after my c: failed and I reloaded it all on a new drive - the 1st copy of Windows 8 I used in a VM, would no longer install kept telling me it cannot connect to the internet. Which is annoying - wanted to play with it more - even d/l'ed the .iso file and it won't install tells me it cannot find a driver (does not say what driver) so this sucks. I am not planning on upgrading, but I want to at least try it out for fun.. Oh Well...

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xRadeon

I'm running the release preview and I like it. It's kinda weird at first but its fast and clean and even though it does feel like its more for a tablet it still run good on a desktop. :)

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tgellert

Folks,

Most of the machines in my house run XP - and runs it just fine. My kid's PC runs Windows 7 and so do a couple of laptops in the home and I kinda like it. It seems like only yesterday that Windows 7 came out (at least for me) and now they are touting Windows 8. Why? To make money of course and also to make a single OS experience between their phones/slate, laptops and PCs. This is what Apple kinda sorta did. But honestly the experience from the iPad/iPhone vs the MAC laptops and desktops is completely different in reality.

I have an Android tablet and I love it. And I sometimes take it on the road with me instead of my Windows 7 laptop. I can understand Microsoft's angle on this I guess which I believe is for them to have the exact same "look and feel" between all of their Desktop PCs, laptops, slates and phones. I feel this is a bit extreme, though. Let the laptop and desktop users easily change their machines back to the start button and desktop that they are used to. If they want to make "everything look the same" as their Windows slate and Windows Phones then let it be up to the user. I feel that until Microsoft slate and phones catch up (if they ever do) then this is a seriously dangerous move for them. Or maybe the opposite - they are hoping that the new Windows 8 PC/laptop experience will make people want to buy Windows phones/slates which have the same look and feel? I still think that this is a dangerous move for them as well.

Remember the Vista disaster? A badly executed OS that promised a lot and did not deliver. Is Windows 8 just a Windows 7 OS with a new interface and slightly speed tweaked kernel? Be careful Microsoft.

Linux laptop/desktop anyone?

-Tom

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axiomatic

Is this Maximum PC? Have I somehow strayed in to Minimum PC on accident? On this site all any of us should be concerned with is if Windows 8 outperforms Windows 7 in all the standard bench marking applications for productivity, entertainment, and gaming.

The UI is important but not compared to the performance. If Windows 8 doesn't beat Windows 7 in all the performance categories within a few months after release and stable drivers are out for all major device vendors at THAT point Windows 8 is gonna fail.

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Orange7

I also must add that I was disappointed by battery life I came to expect between 3-4 hours on my PC using Windows 7, and I was thoroughly disappointed when I realized that Windows 8, which is so obviously geared toward mobile devices, would drain the battery in less than 3 hours.

It seems that an operating system that offers so little should at least have better or equal battery life.

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LilHammer

I'm not interested in purchasing an OS upgrade just because another one is released and I also think that Windows 8 is going to see lackluster sales.

I think the problem is twofold: Windows 7 is what Vista should have been. Once people realized Microsoft "fixed" Windows with the upgrade in Windows 7, they got everyone to jump on the upgrade bandwagon. Windows 7 deserves respect. It's a stable and attractive OS which, although it may have stolen many cues from Apple to do so, brought interest back to the PC desktop. It took a while for people who shunned Vista to finally believe it was the right upgrade but, now that everyone has some love for Microsoft again it's going to be a tough sell to justify a switch to Windows 8. There are still tons of users who haven't even upgraded to Windows 7 yet - that train is still rolling.

Had Windows 7 not come out, and the upgrade path was Vista to W8, Microsoft would be looking at a different situation. I think there is just enough that is improved in the upcoming OS release that it's worthwhile as a geek and as a IT employee - but not for my company and certainly not for most other people.

On the other hand, what is Microsoft supposed to do? Everyone is complaining they need to lead instead of follow. They need to come up with something original rather than copy the successful steps of Apple. Where does that leave them? Apparently, in a can't win position. If you want a more polished, robust, user-friendly-but-still-has-everything-a-power-user-wants OS you'll have to accept the fact that MS needs to deliver incremental OS upgrades to get there. All the same people would also be bitching up a storm if MS waited a few more years to release Windows 8 and made all the sweeping changes to the underlying file system all at once. "Now how are we supposed to play our five year old games?! How are we supposed to manage the support burden of migrating users to a new OS with all these new features and none of the old ways of doing things?!?"

If you want change, you frequently have to accept the challenges that come with it, accept the fact that it's not always a fun process, and realize that without change, technology is dead. Change is at the very core of tech. Figure out how to deal with it.

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angryone

I believe there are a lot of people out there that are like myself; I installed the Consumer Preview, realized Windows 8 SUCKS and so didn't bother even installing the Release Candidate. It is my firm belief that Windows 8 is going to flop. I am the "tech support" for my family, friends and co-workers, and there is no way I am going to teach all of them how to use a "new" operating system. I have already recommended that they not even think about Windows 8, and I know a lot of other "techies" that have done the same. Expect Windows 8 to go the way of Vista.

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pratikrawankar

windows 8 <> gone be dead , no buddy cares its price
where is DirectX 12 ???????????
I am buying it even at 20$ ,

go to hell windows 8

Metro on desktop is just like a Windows 1.0
bloody hell , sucks a lot no multi-tasking friendly

build for low-end tablet and those MS guys are forcing us to use it on desktop

lots of issues my brothers , MS ANSWER site is full of problems and problems alot

we want more windows 8 preview with optimized for desktop having heavy ram and also dual shock start menu+Metro 2.1

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Burtalmighty

I still haven't made my mind up about Windows 8 yet, there are parts I like and others that I don't.
However, one thing I have noticed is there are many people across the internet that are complaining about the lack of the 'Start Button'
Yes Windows 7 has a start button, and for many that's going to be difficult to move away from... But I can't be the only one who normally accesses the start menu via a press of the lovely start button on my keyboard... Thank's to this I will be ready for the lack of 'start button'
Long live the physical start button!

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Engelsstaub

But if I don't have my desktop filled with icons and things to mouse over and click on I can't find my way around my computer!

...I'm still being an ass but I agree with you. It's shouldn't be a big deal...especially to people who are "maximum PC." I haven't heard any staff whining about this or (the lack of) aero.

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CrystalMeph

Dear Steve Ballmer...you coke snorting hyperactive loony.
Lay off the nose candy for a minute to see a difference between desktop productivity and touch portable OS...
Windows 8 will probably work just great on touch devices, but it’s a horrendous OS on desktops.
Now quit taking kickbacks from Apple and actually do something productive for change.

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igoka

Every time I try Win8 I think how in hell i'm gonna explain to all the people i give support how to use it. I think people will buy it at first . Later they will realize that's not what they want. I'm OK with innovation what i'm not OK is stupid swipe screen at the start , it make sense on tablet not on desktop. For a god sake why not to give people option run new (tablet) way or just old fashion ? Before installing just give a few questions and install according to user answers.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Windows 8 is the latest Butt in Redmonds Butt/Cock release cycle

It's cumming in October

So, get F^$k'ed

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Penterax

The answer is a qualified "yes" for me, I'm looking forward to Win 8.

Looking to re-build my Vista based machine soon, will use an SSD which means I need Win 7 or 8. Win 8 handles storage better and is a bit more efficient, so I will likely go Win 8.

That being said, I'm not sure what all was left out over previous generations. I can find where to change the font size for the desktop, but not the font type; Previous Windows versions allowed you to do that, as well as change the icon spacing.

A later version of an OS should never, ever have less than a previous version.

;)

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wrldqueeek

I would have installed it a while ago, but I don't have a spare PC laying around (at least, not a newer one) and I have been having trouble getting it to install in a VM.

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plvick

I am freaking stoked about Windows 8. It is awesome, minor beta glitches not withstanding. I snapped a picture of my 7 desktop before blowing it away for 8, after a minor learning curve I have since tweaked the new OS from Redmond to my tastes in short order. At first the dual GUI's was a challenge to master, but brushing up on my keyboard shortcuts and learning the way it behaves, I have concluded that I will not be going back to 7. It's flipping fast, booting in like 8 seconds, and the Metro interface is really cool once you get used to it.

The missing Start button took some getting used to, but to have a lower-left hot click that brings up 8's Metro Launcher which so much better. I miss Flip3D, I used it instead of the Alt-Tab task switcher because I thought it looked so cool, especially when streaming video would stream during it's use. It was the best eye candy M$ had to offer, not even coming close to the coolness factor of the Linux Beryl Compiz-Fusion GUI, with its cube of multiple desktops. That thing was cool.

To deal with the necessity to run Firefox in 7's GUI under 8, and to flip over to Chrome on the Metro side, and navigate pages, I use CTRL-Tab to cycle tabs in the browsers now, leaving them in full screen mode F11. I missed the window buttons at first but I have to admit the keyboard shortcuts lend to a much snappier experience. CTRL-T for a new Tab, CTRL-W to close the current Tab, ALT-F4 to close any and all apps at any time... I now use these shortcuts all the time.

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h e x e n

No reason for me to switch.

I use my machine for gaming and W8, as far as I know, offers nothing new in that regard.

In my opinion, W8 seems like a very poor and unintuitive attempt to merge OS's. I can understand where Microsoft's thought process is, it's just that I don't agree. I don't want one OS to run every electronic device in my posession.

To me, a desktop is still a desktop, a phone is still a phone and a shi*** tablet is still a shi*** tablet. Their functionality aside, they lack similar logistics and therefor perform differently. When and if I can get the same kind of performance and utility out of a phone that I can from a desktop, maybe I'll consider one OS for every device. But then, there's really no reason to have a phone as powerful as a desktop because their form factors are too different. You'd have so much power go unused 95% of the time.

Form factor influences functionality more so than the reverse. Having a phone as powerful as a desktop wouldn't make much sense because the form factor is so limited. Having a mobile OS on a desktop is a poor idea for the complete opposite reason, hence why W8 isn't on my radar.

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mucheminel

Cant wait for the apps! go easy on microsoft at least they are trying to be hip!

http://www.idealtermpapers.com

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maxeeemum

So the fun begins in October!

Windows 8 will make Vista and Windows ME look like huge M$ successes.

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germanogre

Windows 8! Interested? At all?

no.

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Engelsstaub

Hey guys...what's going on in here? :P

I swear by all that is sacred and untouched that every last article about Windows 8 has somebody expounding their original thesis about how MS is on this "cycle of good release/bad release I'm sure glad I put that out there for everyone to ponder!"

IF MS DOESN'T GIVE ME BACK MY AERO I'M GONNA SWITCH TO SOME LINUX OS THAT DOESN'T COME WITH AERO EITHER.

(I think I'm done for now.)

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jaseplase

please stop posting engeldouche

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Engelsstaub

Not going to happen. No matter how many fake troll accounts you create. Enjoy.

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aarcane

When I can download and install an open source app from a third party site that *I* decide whether I trust or not, I might consider upgrading to the $40 version of Windows 8. If it costs more than that, I'tll not be worth it for me until at least windows 9.

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Cregan89

VLC Player is an open source app from a third party site and it installs just fine on Win8 RP...

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Philippe Lemay

Back when W7 came out people still had the horrible taste of Vista in their mouth, so of course they jumped on the next thing to get out of it. But now all people have is the sweet sweet taste of of Windows 7 lingering, so they are understandably hesitant to switch.

It really seems like Windows operates on a cycling good-bad-good-bad approach regarding their OS lineups.
95, not so good.
98, better.
Millenium, worse.
XP, much better.
Vista, horrible.
Windows 7, superb.

And now Windows 8... it's just another hole in the road for them.

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whitneymr

+1 I said the exact same thing to my wife earlier today.

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Baer

I love the Metro like interface on my Windows phone and I intend to get a Surface Tablet. As for a workstation OS however the problem is going to be for them that almost all of us are really happy with Windows 7. By this time in the Win 7 development cycle I was using it exclusivly but this time around I just have no real need to do so. I guess it will be OK with a mouse and keyboard but I have absolutly no intention to use a touch screen for most of my computing. I hate fingerprints on my screens, I have no intention to have to reach across to one of my screens sitting 30" away.
For me it will be a wait and see this time, not a rush to change.

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damicatz

It's not your phone, its Microsoft's phone and you are just renting it from them.

They dictate what software you can and cannot install. They can remove anything from your phone without your permission.

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CrystalMeph

Same thing goes for Iphones. You're "renting" them. And once you sign on the dotted line Apple owns the rights to your genetic material as well.

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GenMasterB

I've been trying out the Windows 8 Consumer Preview and to be honest... I feel like I'm head cashier at Chili's working their Point of Sale system!

It just doesn't feel like a real productive OS to me. more like I'm testing out a new tablet OS but dammit I GOT A KEYBOARD AND MOUSE! I truly think someone is asleep at the wheel in Redmond. isn't it odd that Windows 8 is a match for a POS system...!!?? (yeah pun intended)... Could they really be doing any true testing with keyboard/mice users and then not realize the problems they'd face? I see M$ stock taking a big hit this Christmas season when no one upgrades..

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jcarver

I have seen this coming for the last 10 years. Changing an Ip address on Win 2000 pro was easy, than XP had to bury the local area connection settings and in Windows 7 it is so buried under wizards I don't even try to use the GUI anymore. I have been able to make changes using the command prompt, but now Windows 8 has taken that away from me too. Heaven for bid that Microsoft has to protect the idiots who don't know a left click from a write click, i mean right click. I can't forsee Windows 8 being a viable os in a business environment. The iPad is an overblown email reader at my work.

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Benjo

I've been living under a rock for some time (current laptop is a 1.2 Ghz PIII with 512 MB RAM running XP that I bought for $5) but I plan on throwing Windows 8 on a spare desktop that meets the minimum specs. I play tech support on both sides of the family so it would be in my best interests to get acquainted with Windows 8 before I get bombarded with questions :P

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TechGoudy

I am personally disappointed in Microsoft for the decisions that were made in producing Windows 8, I absolutely love Windows 7 and Windows XP, with support ending for Windows XP in the near future, users will be left with Vista, 7, and 8 for viable Windows Desktop OSes.

After using Windows 8 I really didn't feel comfortable. I figure I will only buy it if I get a touch screen monitor or device. I will admit however I am looking foward to Microsofts Surface tablet, and I will most likely buy the pro version of the tablet.

For those that think Microsoft will revert back to the old look of Windows might as well switch to a Linux distro, because Microsoft has put entirely too many resources into Windows 8 to turn back now.

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jcarver

The trick is finding the apps you want to work on Linux. All the software at my work will only run on a Windows platform. Those software vendors are going to have to decide to sink or swim supporting a Windows only business model.

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gatorXXX

I'm going to get it and run it in VMware just to have something to tinker with.

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Richard Howington

I am not going to bash Win 8, that will come when new laptop/desktop buyers are forced to buy it. I have been using the RP since it's release and find it effective and fast but, the learning curve for grandma who wants to Skype with the grand kids and use Facebook it might be daunting when they are used to Win 7. I do see a lot of headache for customer service reps at Dell, HP, etc..

BTW, I never bashed Vista. After the first service pack I found it very stable and my son still uses it, seeing no reason to upgrade to Win 7 or 8.

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Chronologist

I don't understand what's with the Win8 hate. True, Metro really changes things up, but MS included a seamless transition to desktop mode. Or are you all too lazy to click your mouse once?

And the goal of Win8 is a unifying OS, something that hasn't really been done. What this will mean that the general public will be able to transition between Windows tablets, phones, pcs, and laptops with minimal difficulty.

Metro does have it's faults, but it's innovation. If you don't try anything new, you won't get anywhere. Besides Metro, Win8 brings dramatic performance boosts over Win7.

And watch; I bet Apple will release a new OS with a tablet-like interface, and make a fortune on it.

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damicatz

It hasn't been done before for a very good reason. Tablets/Smartphones and Laptops/Desktops are fundamentally different devices with fundamentally different needs. Even Apple is not so foolish as to attempt to merge iOS and Mac OS X.

Windows 8 is Microsoft's attempt to leverage their desktop monopoly to enter into the tablet market because they have, thus far, been incapable of actually producing tablets/smartphones that people actually want. This is the same shtick that they pulled with Internet Explorer and that ended up setting the web back years.

It is also an attempt to lock down the Windows platform. In Metro, Microsoft decides what you may or may not install on your computer and Microsoft decides what you may or may not distribute to other users. No one knows how long the desktop interface will remain but Microsoft has made clear its intentions to get rid of it. Worse yet, restricted boot means that, if you want to distribute an operating system and don't want to require users to fiddle with their BIOS (thus making people less likely to try it), you have to pay Microsoft money. And, how long do you think OEMs will let people turn off restricted boot?

Windows 8 is dangerous. The only thing it is innovative in is finding new ways of screwing users over.

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Cregan89

Each consecutive version of OS X looks and functions more and more like iOS every year. Notification bar, AirPlay, locked down app store, iCloud, and a general shift to a "people centric" interface. Apple is just going about it in a more gradual approach as opposed to Microsoft going about it from the ground up (mainly because Apple releases a new OS every year or so while Microsoft only gets to update their OS every three years because of their enterprise market position).

Yes Microsoft is locking down their app market, but this is actually at the request of the majority of consumer's, IT professionals, and developers. There's a reason iOS and Windows Phone are virtually unhackable while the Android Play Store is a malware mess, and that reason is because of locked app stores. Controlling the software that runs on a platform is the only fundamentally full-proof way to secure a platform. This method is so effective that even Google has now begun removing apps the the Android Marketplace in order to combat malware. And I say that as an avid Android user, because I do actually have an interest in an unlocked app store, but for that same reason, I would not recommend Android to the general population, including my grandparents/parents/siblings/girlfriend.

Also, ever since this locked down app store model became popular, more consumers are enjoying more and higher quality 3rd party applications than ever before in history. And being a 3rd party developer for these locked down app stores is more profitable than ever! So clearly, the locked down app store model is more effective for everybody involved except criminals...

In direct contrast to what you claim, Microsoft has not once expressed any intention to get rid of the desktop and has actually made clear their COMMITMENT TO THE DESKTOP! They have invested significant resources into many new features specifically for the desktop interface including an improved task manager, file explorer, file-copy UI, and multi-monitor support. And how about a direct quote from the Building Windows 8 Blog in regards to user experience:

"We do not view the desktop as a mode, legacy or otherwise—it is simply a paradigm for working that suits some people and specific apps."

And restricted boot? It's not even a Microsoft technology! It's a hardware technology that has existed for many years that Microsoft is finally deciding to take advantage of with Windows 8. You do not in ANY WAY have to pay Microsoft to "unlock" it. And Microsoft has actually made mandatory for Windows 8 hardware certification that the UEFI BIOS provide an option to turn secure boot off. There are many Linux distributions that are also secure boot encrypted, and can be easily installed without any BIOS fiddling. All secure boot does is ensure that nothing can modify system startup files to make them malicious as that would break the secure boot encryption.

You clearly have zero knowledge of what you are talking about so leave the technical discussions to the actual professionals, okay? Thanks.

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Nerfherder

"Even Apple is not so foolish as to attempt to merge iOS and Mac OS X."

How quickly we forget the press conference where iOS and the iPhone was announced to the world. iOS is a direct derivative of OS X. If I'm not mistaken, iOS was built on just a modified OS X kernel. When the iPhone first came out, people were marveling at how wonderfully intuitive and familiar iOS was, relative to OS X.

I would argue that MSFT is, in fact, 5 years late to the party of unifying everything. When you turn on something made by Apple, you know it -- there's a dock at the bottom with all of your most used applications. What is metro but a bloated, more obstructive dock?

In my opinion, win8 / metro will find its way into gimmicky and new devices easy enough, but it will have a hard time winning the public and businesses over as their primary desktop OS.

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damicatz

Based on and merged are not the same thing. iOS and Mac OS X are still two separate operating systems.

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Orange7

Windows 8 is very similar to Windows 7. The only major differences are that it is slightly lighter weight, and that it has a start screen with the metro interface and no start button.

The developer preview was fine, because you could hack the operating system to allow for a start button, and you could also hack it to skip the Metro interface at startup (although there should be no need to hack it, Microsoft). However, because Microsoft is planning to remove the start button hack on the official version of Windows 8, I will be sticking with Windows 7 and the preview versions of Windows 8 on dual partitions for the foreseeable future.

The Bottom Line:
I love Windows 8, but I cannot stand not having the start button. Unless Microsoft fixes that problem and allows for an easier skip of Metro, then it will be a flop to rival Vista. If they swallow their pride and get their heads out of their @$$es, it could be better than Windows 7.

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xeones

I really don't think the "general public" has a poor perception of windows 8. I mean if they have any impression at all.

I've been somewhat surprised and amused at all the vitriol and hate for windows 8 you see from posters on this site, however. Makes me wonder what you're using your computer for, that clicking past the metro interface after boot up is going to be such a problem. Seriously how many times a day do you boot? :)
Win 8 has us divided; for myself, i can't wait for it. I've been jealous of the ipad since it came out but couldn't bring myself to buy into that closed system, despite having the phone already. Now come october, i'm going to be able to have a tablet that's closer to my computer than my phone. I'll be able to do all my work on it.

I'll still have my desktop build for playing games in 3d :) I don't see that changing anytime soon. So far i haven't heard anything that indicates win8 is going to be unfriendly to pc gamers, so I really don't get all the hate towards it.

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damicatz

I hate to break it to you but Windows 8 is a closed system, just like the iPad.

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Cregan89

Really? uTorrent seems to be working perfectly fine on my Win8 RP notebook right now...

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Xenite

That loud crashing in October will be Microsoft's stock price. This garbage will never touch a pc in this house.

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Trooper_One

Win8's GUI does take some time in getting used to but it's actually not that bad. I use a melange of both the desktop and metro; and for $40 upgrade, I can't wait.

It's not for everybody but it actually looks quite sexy on a 55" Plasma TV.

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