Windows 8 Details Begin Leaking Out

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kimekimekime

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Fecal Face

Everybody seems so surprised that a software company like Microsoft is currently working on their next piece of software. Shocking, isn't it?

Every comment I've read is sounding like whoever wrote it is expecting Windows 8 tomorrow. For all you people know, we could be waiting until 2013, or even 2014 for Windows 8. It's not being released next week, or next month, so calm the hell down.

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gothliciouz

i just hope this time they include a built-in virtual desktop manager in windows 8

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dstevens

retarted tiered pricing scheme

unbelieveable price

a "upgrade only" version

a few enhancements

a TON of bugs

40% of the apps you love ...... wont work

a SP1 within 9 months

direct x 12 wont be supported in any eralier versions of windows or something similar -- not because they cant, but because they want your MONEY!!!!

very low sales because people who were burnt by vista already hated going out and buying 7 for its insane price

the only way this will take off is if they sell it at a reasonable price of sub $100 USD 

good luck....

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Caboose

 Waaaaa! Waaaaa! Waaaaa!

You know, Windows 7 has sold amazingly well. There are a LOT of enhancements and improvements over Vista and def. over Windows XP. Win7 SP1 is only in beta, and when it's released, all it'll be is a complete collection of updates, patches, and items released so far for Win7.

Only the most archaic of apps don't work with Windows 7, and for those that won't be updated with Win7 compatibility, there's the XP Mode, which works great!

Even MacOS has versions that are "upgrade only".

EVERY. APPLICATION. EVER. RELEASED. HAS. BUGS. GET OVER IT!

 Why is everyone so up in arms that Microsoft is already in the early planning stages of Windows 8? Car compaines, video game companies, movie production companies, heck even Apple, the company hated and loved by so many, enter in the planning stages for the next release of something while the current release has just been, well, released, or is almost released. Yet no one says anything about that? Apple hadn't even released the iPhone 4 yet, and were already starting the planning on the iPhone 5 (or I guess now it'll be the 4.5).

Calm down buddy! It's not like you HAVE to get Win8 when it's released... yeesh!

 

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Blues22475

Why exactly does Microsoft need to release another Windows OS to fix problems in previous oses? Can't they just write fixes on the current code instead releasing a new OS every couple of years? 

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Caboose

 Ya, you know what. You're an idiot!

Vista was released 6yrs ago, and Windows XP was almost 10 years ago... That doesn't sound like "every couple of years" to me.

MacOS releases a new OS every year it seems... Want to bitch about too many OS releases in a short period, lets talk about Apple...

 

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dstevens

4-5 years isnt every couple of years? wth?

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techuman

hey smarty,

vista was officially relesed in 2007 end of january(3 years).

the point is that windows 7 was just released in october of last year, and we are already seeing details of windows 8. A bit soon...yes.

 

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Caboose

 When movies are being produced, the next one in the series is being written. When cars are on the assembly line, the next model is being designed. Just because Windows 8 is in the very early design phase, doesn't mean you'll see it in a year's time...

 

Calm down!

 

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Rotundo_Pierluigi

I've just installed my windows 7 and..here's 8!!

 Rotundo Pierluigi 

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Talcum X

 Will it upgrade my XP?  I'm sure it wont.  So all of the new stuff doesn't matter.  I probably wont buy Win7 just for that reason alone.

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Caboose

 If you still have your death grip on Windows XP by the time Windows 8 is released, you need help...

 

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tkid124

The idea that Microsoft is stealing the App-store from Apple is silly, as someone who just crossed back in the Windows neighborhood from the Linux side of the OS Street; this is a refreshingly familiar idea for an OS.  As for the word ‘store’ being used instead of ‘repository’ I think we need to just chalk it up to the author’s non use of quotation marks, as well as the fact that average computer users as well as the industry term is “App-store” “App-market”, neither meaning that all items are for charge.  Granted Microsoft could do this right, i.e. taking a big-big page from the Ubuntu library and including a tiered store, applications that were designed for Windows 8, are virus and malware safe.  This tier would include to Microsoft’s dismay Firefox, Chrome, as well as other products that compete with their software, in addition it would include the likes of Adobe Flash player, CS5, and other software that is produced and maintained so that it meets certain safety criteria.  The second tier would include quality software that may not have been designed for Windows 8 but works, it may be a community maintained project that doesn’t have the resources to maintain the software to the higher tiers criteria.  Both of these would be free of mal-ware and quality software that I would be ok with my mom-installing.  Then if there is software that Window’s decides for reasons, other than they just don’t want the competition, it can always be installed with a simple .exe file.  The idea of an App-store should actually improve the safety of installing new software, unless of course someone puts blocking competition before the happiness of their customers.  So if MS pulls this off, they can keep me on their side of the street, if they don’t I may just cross back over to Linux world, even if I can’t have my program of choice.

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fusobotic

Hmm, sounds like another money making scheme to me. Having to pay another $100-200 for a few new features? If they haven't reprogrammed it from the base up, why don't they just make it an update or service pack instead of windows 8? They haven't even come out with the first service pack for 7 and they're already working on windows 8?

I'll have to keep an eye on this one, seems a little fishy

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legacy2013

this is the first reported leak of a new operating system. It isnt even an official announcement from Microsoft just a presentation given to hardware manufacturers. There will not be a release for quite some time

 

and Microsofts normal release schedule is every 3-4 years 

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kamikaji

Come on, Microsoft, most people have just recently bought your new OS, or are just about to make the plunge.  You need to give us at least 4-6 years with the beloved Windows 7 before hyping up a new full paid addition.  All of these features in the article sound like mere gimmicks that could just be introduced into Windows 7 via update or service pack anyways.  Releasing Windows 8 within the next 1-2 years sounds like a horrible idea to me.

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somethingelse

If the push-button reset is all it's hyped up to be, helpdesk staff in most companies will be slashed in half.  At most places I worked at, most of the helpdesk guys are running around reformatting WinXP machines :)

what signature, where do i sign?

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ShadowDragoonFTW

Luckily, that's not how it is where I work. We rarely format, and when we do, it's only because some idiot got an incredibly resilient virus. Then again, where I work is one-quarter office building, three-quarters warehouse/distribution facility. So, either way, my job is safe. :)

But, I am really looking forward to the re-install feature for my personal PC. Sometimes it's nice just to go on a mass uninstall spree, jot down what program I wanna keep, backup my docs, and do a clean sweep of my OS. If this turns out to be what's hyped, that cuts my work in half. 

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rseding91

One thing I would LOVE to see - although I don't know if it can even be done on a OS level.

Driver isolation - much like modern browsers do with plugins.

If a driver fails or errors out, it doesn't crash the rest of the OS. The driver is simply shut off and reloaded.

In all reality drivers are the main cause of BSODs. If you could get the OS to NOT crash when one fails you would remove a TON of BSODs from pcs.

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DJSPIN80

Driver isolation is possible, but it's dependent on the kernel type.  Starting from Windows 2000, the code base has been built around the NT architecture.  Driver isolation is possible if they were to allow it to execute in user space instead of the kernel space.  This way, you can isolate a driver's user space in memory and kill it without crashing the OS.  

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SuperiorBeing

Windows moved drivers out of kernel space back with Vista. That was one of the big improvements as well as why there were so many driver issues. Making a driver failure not crash the OS is hard, though, because what happens when a videocard driver fails? The computer would have to spend the whole time making sure the drivers were working.

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rseding91

I've had it multiple times where a NIC driver or sound driver crashes a vista/7 PC so - it's not perfect.

Why can't windows run without a display driver? just don't do any displaying stuff.

(i'm prety sure it's not that simple, but you would think someone could find a way arround it)

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mesiah

I'm not sure what the concern is over the app store. I'm sure plenty of you on here have used an "app store" before. And I'm not talking about apples, I'm talking about one that was around nearly 5 years before apples "app store."

Steam has been running an app store since 2003, and although I am not a fan of apps delivered through the internet, for most people it has been a great asset. The microsoft app store could be to home office and weekend video editors what steam is to gamers.

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Lhot

 ...and the App Store sounds scarey to me as well  :/  NOTE: It says Store, not repository.

Facial recognition...pfft...that mean I gotta shave EVERY day?  One button OS reinstall....yeah  right   lol

 

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keithfreitag

Oh great... I can see Apple's headlines now... Apple announces a new way to reinstall your system without a single interaction and you never have to install ur programs again.  Then when it doesn't work, he will just say you pressed it wrong!

Steve Jobs is the Devil and will reveal iRestart in the next OS, OSXI.

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riopato

What the fuck are you talking about? what does this have to do with windows 8. If you want to start a flame, make sense first!

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keithfreitag

I was making fun of Apple bc they are gonna take something that already exists and use it for their own gain. The push button reset (allowing a OS to reinstall) which is Windows 8 related.  I can totally see Apple ripping off this piece of information for their own gain and to say they were 1st to think of it. 

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riopato

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Michael Ellis

Aside from the reset button feature (which you said is probably BS), there is nothing you mentioned that screamed revolutionary or exciting. In fact, the App Store thing kind of scares me. It sounds like a big step in Apple's direction. So, if anything, this gives me the willies. 

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riopato

that Apple and Microsoft are working together and pretend that they are competitors. Has anyone noticed that the increased popularity of Apple and their crapware happened when Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of microsoft? Every "innovation" and "maggical" device that sheeple buzz about now is made by Apple? Everyone who is smart enough to not believe the bull shit and got a Zune or Zune HD knows that it is far superior than any iShit that came out the past 9 years. That's because MS held back and improved on Apple's concept! Since the public already invested so much on one product and since Zune is associated to MS there is no way Zune can ever take the market! One of the first people to actually hold an ipod in his hands before it was even announced was Bill Gates! That goes for each company's os too. I've never heard Jobs say that MS stole concepts from Mac. Gates never attack Apple from doing the same! These 2 companies who either sue or buy any company that is remotely a threat everyday! How many suits are there between the two companies over the 20 years they've existed? What Apple created MS has always done a variant of and vice versa. Ms made windows media player Apple made itunes then MS made Zune desktop. Apple made iTunes/Apps store Ms developed XBOX Live (which includes Zune Store). Apple made ipod touch while MS Surface has been around way before and is now included with touch enabled pcs. Tablet pcs has been around forever, I'm suprised how long it took Apple to come out with the ipad since they couldn't figure out how to make Crap osX to be touch native. Seriously, How hard is it to emulate the iOS on their own desktop platform? it's not rocket science!

For those who argue the apps store concept is a ripoff of Apple, MS already made it. It's called Zune, Live, Market Place, MSN, BING, Media Player, hotmail, messenger ETC. If only MS takes all of their products and make one unified program, that would be awesome and about freakin time! To call it an app store, that's only insulting for the people who are expecting more from a new os. for the rest of the public, "it's Microsoft's answer to apps!"

Now who want's to flame the Windows Phone concept?

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PawBear

 I hope they put more effort into the os development than the store development.  I want to control the machine, not the other way around.

"Either we conform the Truth to our desires or we conform our desires to the Truth."

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riopato

So little imagination.

Apps on windows! Macs don't have Apps on osX! Think, XNA on windows. Xbox live on windows. Competiton for steam. How else can that one button rest work? Unified program to access all your media. Inclusive programs that are user specific in windows and user developed programs. Apps Store can be anything on windows 8. You think Apple will let that happen on their OS? Apple popularized the concept. MS will pwn it

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riopato

You sound like a windows noobie. Every issue you listed can be fixed in xp, except maybe the registry issue. Win Vista/7 already has resolved these issues. Those egocentric software vendors are the real cause of alot of window's faults. I think the lack of user control is a side effect to prevent third party mucking up the system. It's no wonder that MS keeps adding tools to each new os. From defrag to antivirus to system restore and backup software MS is always trying not to compete with third party developers, but it's getting to a point if they can't make it right, might as well make it yourself. Wasn't it a recent issue that Macfee found windows to be a severe virus?

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sirphunkee

First, if you're a big "my documents" fan, then you're exactly the type of person that "libraries" in win7 was designed for.  But, even if you don't dig that, the my documents folder in 7 is a lot more managable (..but still not quite entirely like you want)

Also, there's a couple of those things you can clear up without even upgrading from XP:

-You can generally get around the activeX vulnerabilities simply by upgrading to IE8

-You can change the default view in windows explorer by follwing the steps in this m$ tech article:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/hwandprograms/openingfolder.mspx

(note...that tip was also featured in maxpc quite some time ago, I just couldn't dig up the reference online)

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sirphunkee

no prob!

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Mighty BOB!

Push button reset sounds very interesting but I wonder how they intend to keep the registry functional when the user has a bunch of programs installed.

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gendoikari1

Would it dispel the idiots who want a 128-bit version? 

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Michael Ellis

THey have that? Where can I get it? :)

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Michael Ellis

Glitch

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BuLLg0d

Why not just call it "Windows 7:Second Edition"?  LOL

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Caboose

 LAWL

 u r so funy!

 

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hades_2100

I still don't understand what the fascination is with boot-up times. Are you seriously spending millions on trying to shave seconds off a daily (or in most cases weekly) event? Am I the only one that doesn't care whether the PC boots up in 20 seconds or 40? I'm not timing it with a stop-watch. Instead, make sure that the Windows Update NEVER reboots the system, then I might make it install the updates automatically, but since it reboots the machine, the feature is turned off.

 

The 'features' I care about are stability, the "need" to reinstall Windows periodically because of some massive screw-up by some application, and speed. For example, I installed some DisplayPort drivers, which caused one of my monitors to not wake up periodically. No matter what drivers I install/uninstall, I can't get rid of this problem. It is massively annoying, enough so that I will have blow away the PC and reinstall it without the DP adapter. 

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DJSPIN80

Windows updates require reboots because of the registry changes that occur.  If Windows 8 were to be any better, Microsoft should consider removing the registry and follow a more POSIX like pattern in system design (by POSIX, I mean UNIX).  Boot times are important, yes.  It's not just Windows that has to boot but the number of processes as well.  So a 10 second boot with Windows might be 150 seconds altogether with all of the background jobs.

Stability is important but,  honestly, I wish Microsoft would just start from scratch and remove the bloody registry.  Modify the kernel to be more of a hybrid kernel, move a lot of things out of kernel space and, most importantly, force the use of .NET as the platform for Windows development.  It's non-sense that Microsoft still makes Win32/MFC available when .NET is soooo much better. 

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riopato

is only important when it involves just windows booting up. Lets say windows take 20 seconds to boot but the antivirus takes 10, itunes pre cache takes another 15, your favorite widgets slows it down another 5 etc... by the time you finally boot up, you already forgotten the reason why you turned it on in the first place! Oh and that display driver issue your having adds another 10 seconds on your boot time!

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nikki_gx

The I wish all the pcs on my network could boot in 40 seconds - I'd take 140 seconds. That would be a huge improvement. I had a dell D630 on XP that took 15 min to boot up - about 7 to get to the logon prompt and another 7 or 8 to load up the desktop far enough where you could click on things. It probably took another 10min for the hdd to stop grinding away. I ran ccleaner, defrag, and did all the other things everyone does and cut the boot time in 1/2 (still 7 min before you could attempt to open outlook). Then I reimaged the laptop and boot time was less than 2 min. But of course it's windows - give it a few weeks and it'll slowly start creeping up to the 15min of agony I started with. Now I know most of the delay comes from running XP as part of an Active Directory domain on a large WAN with group policies, sms servers and all sorts of other enterprise management systems. But even a home pc will start to lag after a while and I'll take any help I can get.

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Danthrax66

"Push-Button Reset" Oh great so it won't get rid of a virus? How is this useful at all generally you reinstall the os to eliminate a problem with a virus or a program, with this it doesn't really effect either of those and you'll still end up with the same problem.

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albe23

I think this is more of a case if you were to have Windows hiccup on you or a crapped up driver problem like the guy above for example.  Also if a program is causing problems I guess you could just uninstall the program and "reset" Win8.  Additionally I think this is an option and not the only way.  Therefore, I think it sounds quite useful. 

"Force has no place where there is need of skill." - Herodotus (484 BC -
430 BC)

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NewGadgeteer

Another slide lists Slate as a Form Factor.  Could they be thinking about making a iPad killer that runs Windows 8?

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bluetorino1973

Yeah those features sound good and all if they work but the thing I really want is no more frinkin BSOD for any reason but I know that's just wishful thinkin.

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