Windows 7's WEI Gets a Boost

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ryan792622

 single wd cavlier black gets a 5.9 wei   two running in raid 0 also get a 5.9 wei  is there a cap on hdds of 5.9 ? the rest of my scores are 7.4 and above

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liptochron

Does this not remind anyone else of Spinal Tap?

"What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?"

"Put it up to eleven?"

"Eleven. Exactly. One louder."

"Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?"

(pause) "These go to eleven." 

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djremix71

I ran my Windows 7 WEI and got a 7.9 on gaming graphics with my EVGA 9600 GT card. Now granted, I know that this card isn't too bad, but it in no way compares to an EVGA 8800 GTS. ??!!??

 Edit: I also have Win 7 on my laptop, and every single score is the same, so the grading on the benchmark is no different than vista's it just has more room for better hardware. 

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teh1583

Running Windows 7 with a 5400 RPM notebook drive yielded a 2.0 for me but a 4.8 in Vista. I believe that some of it has to do with the drivers not being fully baked yet causing a bit of a performance hiccup.

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Cyberdiver

My over all is 5.9.. HDD scored a 5.9 without any tweaks.  but what surprised me was a the 5.9 on my memory. and the 6.0 on gaming graphics and a 7.2 on my cpu..

 

Very surprised with my results.. Running a q9450, 4gb ddr 2 1066, 8800gts 512 and a wd sata 320gb drive. I really expected higher in everything but the HDD.

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NAYRhyno

The updated Seagate firmware improved the WEI/write caching problems for me.  Before the firmware update on my three 7200.11 500gb drives, i had WEI 2.9 or 3.0 with write cahing on.  With it off it was 5.9.  After the firmware update, write caching on is 5.9, write caching off is 5.9.  Apparently the WEI score was capped if the drive did not handle caching "properly."  Similar to how graphics is capped if the driver is not up to date.  This was reported on some MSDN blog, but I can't find the link.

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gatorXXX

What's the difference? Does a higher score make everyone feel better? So if your hardware tops out at 5.9 on vista but on win 7 a 7.9, does that make your hardware automatically and magically 2 points faster?? There are 2 different tachometers in the world. One that's x100 and one that's x1000. They both tell you same thing...RPM's, but for some reason, some people think the x1000 means your car runs faster.....

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Marcus_Soperus

It's not that your hardware is "faster," it's just that the measurement is no longer capped at a low level. Under Windows Vista's WEI, people with brand-new DX10.x GPUs were getting the same 5.9 score as users with two or three year old once-state-of-the-art GPUs.

Imagine if all auto speedometers would only register a maximum of 70mph, no matter how fast you actually went. In such a case, I could claim my '97 Escort was "just as fast" as a 2009 Corvette. That's roughly what was happening with Vista's WEI. In reality the speedomers read much higher, making it plain that my old Escort's never going to catch a Corvette at top speed. And moving up the maximum score cap is what Win7's WEI has done.

Nobody's saying the Windows 7 WEI is perfect, but it reflects the differences between an old GeForce 6900 and a new GFX 295 (ATI fans, plug in your favorites) far better than the Vista WEI did.

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gatorXXX

I agree to a certain point. Although, See...if you have a top notch GPU and it scores say, a 5.9 in vista, but in Win 7 it scores a 6.5, there is no difference but less than 1 point. But it's not the actual points that have made any difference, it's the higher number. It's a marketing ploy to make you feel better like the way they use the price of something in advertising. Hearing and seeing 199.99 is more appealing than hearing and seeing 200! So seeing 6.5 instead of 5.9 is more appealing and makes you feel better about your product, BUT to enthusiasts, they have to hit that 7.9 mark making them go spend more money on a new product they don't actually need. But of coarse they will.

These low numbers people are frequenting are basically the product of the higher number in win 7. Scoring a 5.9 out of 5.9 is Awsome! But scoring a 5.9 out of 7.9 is Horrible! You must upgrade NOW! even though nothing has changed (except they upped the cap). Take 2 exact cars with the same speedometer. Both top out at 100mph and both cars can hit that speed. Then replace a speedo in one car with one that tops out at 140. Hitting 100mph in both cars is GREAT But the one car is topped out and the other car still has 40mph left on it according to the speedo. Your thinking, I MUST do something, it says I can hit 140!! So off to AutoZone you go for tweaks and mods.

So what Microshaft has done, is up the limit from 5.9 to 7.9. Scoring a 5.9 in Vista is the same speed as scoring a 5.9 in Win 7. It just seems like your getting bad performance due to the higher cap. Higher numbers (in computer terms) is always better than lower numbers, hence frame rates. You know, even tho both the escort and corvette are topped out at 70mph, that the corvette will smoke that 70mph limit. There is no comparison or arguing that point. But put it in PC terms. That 87 escort scores a 4 in vista and the corvette scores a 5.9. Yeah, you know it's faster. WAY FASTER. But put them in Win 7. That 87 escort still scores a 4 and that corvette scores a 6.5. You knew it was faster to begin with but Just not capped at 5.9. You haven't lost ANY performance NOR have you gained on either side. Just because it went up .6 points doesn't mean you gained performance. It's all a numbers and psychological game.

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NAYRhyno

It is simple. Here is an example.  In Vista both an 8800GT and a GTX 280 would get 5.9, they are hitting the limit of the scale.  In 7 the scale is recalibrates, the 8800gt performs the same, but would be given a 4.5 or something.  The 280, which is very fast, may only get a 6.0.  They are reclibrating the scale so that future hardware is not capped as soon as it was on the Vista WEI.

An analogy:  You have a scale that weighs up to 200 pounds, and you are given a number 1-10 based on your weight.  You would get a 10 for anythign between 190 and 200.  Say you weigh in at 300 (maybe you like chips and cookies a lot or soemthing).  On your scale you would get a 10.  Your neighbor has the same kind of scale, but it goes up to 400 pounds.  On his scale, you'd get a 7.  Your score is lower, but you haven't lost any weight.  Time for weight watchers.

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Budgetperson

My hard drive score has drastically reduced... on vista it used to be a 5.7 , but on Windows7 its a <b><i>3</i></b>.

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mini6090

i got 2 10k raptors stripped and i scored a 6...

 

and even though it doesn't matter... the fact that my graphics score is lower does piss me off considering i have 896mb dedicated and then for some reason windows vista\7 like to allocate another 2GB for video... you can explain it all you want, it doesn't make sense and it's not needed.

 

Altek

Asus P6T

Core i7 920

9gb Corsair Dominator 8-8-8-24

4x10,000RMP raptors (2xStriped Arrays)

EVGA GTX260

Fatl1ty X-Fi

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m4fisher

Hi mini6090,

I was wondering whats the speed of stripped raptors, ever tried HD Tune or something?

Would you please let me know at:

m4fisher < A T > gmail com 

 

My hdtune result for 7200k stripe:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4480/hdtuney.jpg 

 

 

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LatiosXT

They were updated so that SSDs are the only thing that'll give you something higher than a 3.0. Although 3.4 is from a 5400RPM laptop drive, so I'm guessing 4 is for a 7200 RPM drive and 5 for a 10K RPM drive.

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NAYRhyno

What you said makes no sense.

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diamond_ops

Makes perfect sense. SSDs are the fastest drives out there now, they get the highest rating.

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soccer1105

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