Windows 7 Upgrade Editions Will Require an Activated Copy for Verification Each Time its Installed

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alanmc76

 You all realize that every version of Win 7 from Home Premium on up comes with disk imaging, right?  So, all you have to do is install it the first time, make an image, and you're good to go.  Every re-installation from that point is just a re-image.  No additional software required.

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jcseely

....like many MPC readers, you upgrade hardware several times a year..........

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alanmc76

 Even with hardware changes the image would work fine in most cases (with some tweaks).  ATI drivers work for almost all recent cards, same with Nvidia.  You might have a problem with sound drivers, but that wouldn't prevent the machine from booting.  You would only have an issue if you swapped out your mobo and/or went from Intel to AMD - in which case you would have to do a clean install anyway.  So, if you know you are going to make a change, plan ahead.  Swap hardware, update your drivers, make sure everything is working and make a new image.  What's so hard about that?  I certainly am not going to cancel my pre-order over it.

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jihnn

disc image...... reinstall xp......no wait   i have an upgrade xp disc.... hmmm find windows 2000 disc reinstall xp   activate xp.... install windows 7

i do not think so

 

just canceled an order for 3 windows 7

screw ms

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alanmc76

 Why on Earth would you re-install XP after making an image of Win 7?  Your logic is escaping me on this one.

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paschal

Family hand me down PC's...... Nah won't help them....The license will be zapped.

Charities.....Oh by the way, you will need to go buy a new $100 license for this $50 PC...We had to burn the license I was going to donate to upgrade MY new computer.

Pirates....If there is strength in numbers, they will probably add a few.

Honest Joe Enthusiast ....Well there is a pretty good target but no help.

I can't think of but one single thing that will come out of this.....MS wants to burn up those old licenses out there. The one thing that I wanted from them was a product that worked well, that I could upgrade to, and that I would want to spend money on to upgrade all of my PC's....But I also need an OS product that comes through when the hardware fails, when the software fails, and I have to pick up the pieces and start over.

Sure we can do the Acronis image..etc...Can you imagine that MS meeting...."Well this upgrade thing....ya know everyone has an old drive laying around that they can restore from after we zap their old licenses." "We gotta stop this piracy stuff."

Now we become slaves to additional hardware and software costs purely for the purpose of supporting the Operating System? See straw.....see straw break camel back.

I am all for killing software piracy in its tracks, but what MS needs to realize is that I pay for the product I use and the more difficult that it becomes to use, the more I want to look elsewhere to get the job done, and I am sure I am not alone in that quest. I may not make a ton of money for Microsoft, but currently I have 6 OS licenses....that number can go up or down. If it goes up, I spent and send more money to MS. If it goes down, it means that MS has become more trouble than they are worth sending money to anymore.

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deadgarth

That's what they did with the Vista upgrade.  Obviously if they want an activated OS installed before the upgrade to Win 7 they must provide a way for that old OS to continue to be activated in case of a reinstall.  Unless, they really are that stupid in thinking people will only need to install Win 7 once for all time.

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SpazzAttack

Where has this idea come from that upgrading an older, activated installation of Windows Vista to Windows 7 is going to invalidate the original activation of Vista? Does anyone have official word from Microsoft regarding this? I have a very difficult time believing Microsoft is that stupid, so post a link, please!

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the_river

That's what I did with my Vista Ultimate install before I wiped the drive for the Win 7 RC installation. Short of having to copy my content over manually because of a security (SID) thing with trying to restore docs and such with the Acronis app, having a backup copy of the original install is a great peace of mind for ANY IT guy. I'm going to do the same thing with the RC install before I try the upgrade and wipe the drive. At least the restoration of files should go well.

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BobbyPhoenix

This is crazy.  All the posts about people compaining that they need an active OS to upgrade.  What is the problem?  If you are buying an upgrade that means you already have an older activated OS already, so there should be no problem.  If you preordered the upgrade thinking you can just install it on a computer that has no active OS to start with then shame on you.  What did you thing "upgrade" meant?

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verticalBar

The problem isn't initial installation, but rather subsequent reinstalls.  What will happen when you want to format and reinstall your OS, only to find that you can't activate XP or Vista due to a now invalid license key?  In this situation it becomes impossible to reinstall 7.  Even if this has been accounted for by MS, having to have an activated OS prior to installation means every time you want to install 7, you wind up with double the installation time due to the requirement of also reinstalling XP or Vista.  So yeah, it is a problem--a major one.

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BobbyPhoenix

What you are telling me then is this:  I have an XP activated machine.  I buy the upgrade to W7.  I put the W7 CD in and select clean install.  My computer is now running W7.  Later on I want to reinstall again for whatever reason, so I put the W7 CD in again, and select clean install again, but now it won't work?  HUH?  Why wouldn't the already installed W7 count as the active OS?

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verticalBar

Good point about the 7-over-7 "upgrade."  That should be sufficient in most situations, however what if someone had been experimenting with Linux on their whole drive and later desired to switch back to Windows?  And that's not mentioning the possibility of MS accidentally "eating" your _valid_ 7 license key when you try reinstalling.  (Hopefully they're smarter than that, though.)

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Keatah

..sounds like a hassle to upgrade some of my systems. It is best to leave XP running just fine!

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techie81

Is this info straight from Microsoft? 

Techie81

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alanmc76

For what it's worth, here is the answer I got on TechNet:

"The Windows 7 Upgrade disc will scan your computer for a qualifying Windows operating system license.  If no qualifying O/S exists, you cannot install the upgrade version of Windows 7." - Carey Frisch, TechNet MVP and Answerer.

Here's the link:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproinstall/thread/b47bc608-bfe8-4f55-8b00-62c26a6112ca

There is still a lot of discussion on the thread, so maybe MS will notice.  They seem to be listening pretty well so far on this rollout.

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gatorXXX

While this absolutely sucks to high heaven, that's the way it goes. To all of you who say your going to pirate...THANKS!!!!! Your the ones who made M$ go this route in the first place...again....THANKS!!!

I'm sure MPC will come up with some sort of avenue for a workaround. Albeit, not a perfect solution, but a solution at that and if not, then so be it. I will have to purchase Acronis. But if you remember, the Vista upgrade users had to install Vista first w/o activating, then reinstall Vista to get a clean install. There's no difference in what's going on now except that you have to activate Vista/XP first. Still have to install 2 OS's.

This does translate into a serious pain in the ass though and M$ NEEDS to NOT punish it's loyal paying customers. But to each his own. It's thier company/software and they can do as they please. If you don't like it (me included) then don't buy it. I seriously hope someday, a company (not crapple) puts out an OS that destroy's M$'s pricing and functionality while maintaing a loyal fanbase by not implementing this crap!!

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Talys

Just buy an OEM copy, or a 3-license install -- which is still cheaper than 3 home premium upgrades at on the half price promo.

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igoka

I canceled preorder of my 3 copies . The way Vista upgrade worked was fine to me  .  I also exloring Linux and I like Ubuntu very much . Gaming is why I keep Windows around and for Gaming I change PC hardware very often , that means I have to reinstall Windows . Acronis is fine piece of software and I use it a lot but it's good only if you keep the same hardware.  This is really nice that MaximumPC gave us that very important info in advance . Thank You very much .

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EvilRusk

Why not use Acronis to image your freshly installed 7 as soon as you install it? Instead of reinstalling, all you need to do is just restore the image and you have a "fresh" OS without needing to do the upgrade stuff. That's what I do with Vista upgrade.

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cheeseglue

Yes! I don't know why people don't use imaging software to begin with?? You like to waste the hours of formatting, installing and setting up your OS? I prefer to use my computer, not watch an OS install.

Just image your drive after activation of Windows 7 (upgrade or full version)

I use Acronis now and in 6 minutes I've got a fresh install. There's no reason why Windows 7 wouldn't work in this scenario - sad people have cancelled pre-orders. W7RC is killer!! I can't wait for October 22.

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JohnP

 That is what I am counting on. I clone my hard drive once a month with two backup drives, alternating. If I want a fresh install, I can just clone the drive BACK to the PC hard drive. Even with new MOBO or other major changes, should be able to at least boot. Then the upgrade should go.

 

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gatorXXX

that's a reall, REALLY good question! I wonder if it's possible?

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DriZzLe

So, you have to have an activated os present to run the upgrade, & the RC counts as an activated os. Does it not make sense that once you have the upgrade installed & activated, you now have a valid os to run the upgrade from at a later date. I mean, instead of having to install 2 os when you need to re-install, could you not just run a custom fresh install on top of the already activated upgrade version?

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BelligerentBill

Way to go MS, you just gave millions of users an excuse to pirate your latest and greatest OS.  And believe me, it will be far easier to pirate than when Vista was first released.  You want to solve all the problems in the world, RELEASE ONE VERSION OF VISTA WHICH INCLUDES FULL AND UPGRADE AND SELL IT FOR $99 AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO WINDOWS UPDATE VIA CD-KEY.  SIMPLE, SWEET, AND IT PAYS FOR ITSELF.  YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT STOP PIRACY ANYWAYS AND ALL THE PIRATES WILL BE LIMITATION FREE.  WHERE'S THE INCENTIVE TO PURCHASE?  THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.  SIGH.

 

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wobble

I'm down to 1 last PC running Windows XP.  The rest are Linux Mint or Ubuntu.

Xbox 360 stuff is the only thing I'd possibly buy from Microsoft nowadays.  I got burned too many times on Windows /Office /PocketPC.

I wasn't happy a few years back when they didn't release XP drivers for Sidewinder joysticks I bought back then either.  The box came with Win 98 drivers but no XP ones were ever made even for download.

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jcseely

Thanks for boning your loyal customers, Microsoft. I'm holding onto my preorder for now in case there's a change in the next couple months. If not, I'll stick with my trusty XP thank you very much.

 Make me install two operating systems to get a fresh install? Every single time??? Not gonna happen.

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horzo

Ridiculous nonsense from M$, but I'll keep my pre-order open. I have a feeling the story might change. If not, I'll cancel in a couple of months.

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DBsantos77

I'm on Vista now, used the RC and Betas for about 4 months, and although I like the UI enhancements and tweaks here and there, it is honestly not worth upgrading. Especially with this issue now. Also, Vista (although being complete garbage when it came out) is not all that bad anymore, after SP2 you have a solid set up. For me, Vista SP2 boots and shuts down in the same amount of time as 7. Sole reason why I left 7 was because of the program incompatabilities.

Im glad I didn't buy the upgrade, I was on the verge of doing so but I'll stick with Vista and when I build a new system by this Christmas I will buy a copy of Vista and recieve 7 for free :)

 Btw, isn't it Ironic how this comes out the last day that the upgrades are available? Shame on MS.

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cochranp11

If 7 works like Vista and kills the old license for the os you upgraded, how do you reinstall it and activate it if you have to reinstall 7??? Logically, you won't be able to activate your old os, because MS killed the key you used when you upgraded. Now what? I want to kill my pre-orders, but I ordered 3 copies and I told my parents to order 2 copies, and 1 for each of my brother-in-laws. I think I am going to image my XP install, throw Win2K on the drive and upgrade all of my machines from that one key. That way I keep my XP keys if I have to go back for some odd reason.

 

Just my two cents. 

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rehless

 

  Just cancelled my preorder. I have XP Pro on two machines. I was on the fence about getting an Imac, this decides it for me. MS is getting too big for it's own good.

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if something blows up.   The
worse part about any fresh install is the endless Windows updates and you can
save a lot of grief and time if you simply backup your hard work during the build and on
a regular basis. Making a backup of the Windows 7 fresh install should eliminate reinstalling from
scratch and the activation problem which is slightly different than the above.  If you burn a bootable Acronis CD using the bootable rescue media function in the software even if the OS won't load you can boot to the CD and restore the last backup or the fresh install from my USB backup harddrive.

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gorff

When you say, "Windows 7 RC will serve as a qualifying previous version" does that mean no previous version of Windows (XP, Vista) even needs to exist, that I can just use my already installed and activated Win7 RC as a previous version to install the upgrade Windows 7 on?

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MRrelabled

You know they took so long with Vista in releasing it, then they started 7 even before, now this ? this is not a an upgrade this is an update. 

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Stockislander

Cancelled my pre-order for 2 copies. Even if you have an image, just imagine what will happen if you install Win7 and do major hardware changes. Screw upgrades... I'll get an OEM version as usual when I build a new comp and use XP on my old boxes until they die.

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Stockislander

Cancelled my pre-order for 2 copies. Even if you have an image, just imagine what will happen if you install Win7 and do major hardware changes. Screw upgrades... I'll get an OEM version as usual when I build a new comp and use XP on my old boxes until they die.

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TheMurph

You know, you could just use Revo Uninstaller to free your system of the multiple programs you install...

; )

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maniacm0nk3y

One step forward and two steps back...

 I guess I will be getting an OEM copy of Windows 7 whenever it seems right. I have been using Vista Ultimate x64 for about 2 years and never had any problems activating. It was actually nicer because it was automated and there were no foreign accents, just the "robot woman" on the other end.

Even my XP Home retail went for a long time. I fresh installed at least 40 times on that thing and nothing was a problem.

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cheapherk

Will it kill the key of the previous version once you upgrade?  I believe that's how the Vista upgrade worked.  I'm not sure because I always used the workaround.

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damicatz

How about I just not buy Windows 7 instead.

There is not enough new in Windows 7 to justify the ludicrous price tag (the upgade prices are still ludicrous for what is a minor upgrade from Vista) and I'm not putting up with more Microsoft activation BS.

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Svetty Parabols

Microsoft is just like a drug dealer. They got you addicted and now you gotta play by THEIR rules..lmao

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the_Troll

Thanks, MS but that is way to much work.  I crash my OS all the time.  Installing crap, unstalling crap, repeat 100 times, OS broken.  Bye, bye pre-order.  So where I can i get my illegal copy of Win7. :)

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deadgarth

Wow Microsoft, just wow.  Preorders cancelled.

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schmitty6633

I though most people would pay the cheap $50 for a legal upgrade copy. Watch the pirated copies of Windows 7 Full soar. Great job MS. Most people pirate for the convenience instead of having to go buy it, Now with all this jazz I woult surely pirate it if I didn't preorder it.

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almax

You do realize that pirating is what causes all this in the first place?

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MarioJP

I don't even bother with the upgrade version of windows. I be waiting for the OEM System builder version instead.

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DJ_Smoke

found out a couple years into using my oem version of vista that oem locks you into the original motherboard, thats why I personally am using the 7 rc now. if you have just one bad trace or one capacitor go bad on the motherboard and need a new one? guess what Microsoft owns you again.

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bingojubes

"Vista upped the ante
considerably by requiring you to have a previous version installed (no
activation required). Windows 7 on the other hand, will now require an activated previous version to be installed and not even the workaround found in the Vista version will be permitted."

so if i wanted to keep my vista drive in tact, so i can fall back onto it should i epic fail something in 7, i gues si have to keep it handy :) ill have to install vista on my new 7 drive first :( that sucks.

 

note to self:

get new HDD

install vista x64 on it

activate x64 vista

"upgrade & install" to 7 (cause i preordered the upgrade copy, i guess)

activate Windows 7

finally have some fun in new OS

and should i epic fail on that, redo all steps after reformat. i guess i can live with that. good thing i have tested all my current apps so far, and kept a clean surfing record. should be okay.

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aviaggio

Sigh... just when you think Microsoft has actually done something good they turn around and find a way to frak it all up. What the hell is wrong with these guys???

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pellier

The story from the link made it seem like this is mainly for win7 PC, hopefully this will be discussed on the podcast.

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