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jabbott

You know I was kind of believing the hype with Windows7 as far as MS trying to save some face with Vista mistakes and all of their monopolizing ways.  However, this whole deal with XP SP3 in regards to licenses with 7 so you can take advantage of the XP mode is BS.  It's just a reminder to all of us that they are still money hungry and they are going to pinch every cent out of us someway.  They say that 7 is cheaper and better, but you lose your XP license by using it with 7 Professional.  Oh well, I'll just dual boot it and use Ubuntu 64bit as much as I can.

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nekollx

 uh you always loose the old lic when upgrading.

XP MODE IS FREE

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jvetor

Lets face it, as long as there are people with more money then since who will pay the price for the products the companies will continue to charge the absorbent prices. Again lets face it, who wouldn't? You would and so would I.

 

To beat them those of us with small amounts of money must go with free products as I did when I recently switched from an older copy of MS office to Open Office and I love it. I now dual boot my computer between Vista that came on it and the latest version of Unbuntu which I love and when it won't do what I want I switch over to Vista. I have the buest of both worlds until Linux progresses to provide all my needs. God Bless American and remove those now in power.

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schneider1492

Read your comments out loud before you press the post comment button please.

you is all sound like bad speak Korean people? no?

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u217946

Unless you have Vista Pre and up I would not recommend ungrading to Win 7 at all,
un-less you are actually downloading Win 7 pro OS and not the upgrade.

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DBsantos77

If your a "small" user who doesn't notice slowdowns and runs to GeekSquad when you have PC troubles, then no, don't upgrade.

BUT! If your an enthusiast (and many MaxPC readers are that's why we're here) and love to have everything new, fast etc. Then yes, upgrade.

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Yusonice

can you dont use too much negatives?
So what you mean is If you have vista and above, you would recommend them to upgrade to win 7??
why so? everyone should upgrade

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u217946

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Unless you have Vista Pre and up I would not recommend ungrading
to Win 7 at all,

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un-less you are actually downloading Win 7 pro
OS and not the upgrade.

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DemonClaw

Ok I've not read all comments, but just to double check, are you guys 100% you can upgrade from Windows XP  pro to win 7 home (or pro) ?

Also my windows xp copy is 32-bit, can i upgrade to 64-bit win 7 then ?

(this is of course, using the win 7 upgrade instead of full, since you guys where talking about it on the podcast and people talking about it here of course :P since Windows always costs so much >_<

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Yusonice

99th comment!!!!!!!

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Masho Bosatsu

 cliche addendum.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/beer/2008/?section=money_news_funny

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1569k_scrubs-99-red-balloons_creation

 .

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rippy45

So I guess I was being a bit naive when I thought that Microsoft would give the Beta testers a break on the price.

I am running a system that will allow me to run two OS's so I am currently running Windows 7 RC and Windows XP Pro, both are 64 bit.

And yes I am now hooked on Windows 7, I have never run Vista as I felt that the OS was never on par with XP.

Now when I buy the Windows 7 software will I be able to install over the Windows 7 RC or ?

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Khaotic

SURELY, we didn't expect anything different did we? I could only see the price of Win7 being any cheaper if they acutally called it - what it is: Vista Rudex. It's cleaned up, less aggrivating, and more low-end system friendly.  So they give us what we should have had the first time. Yup, read and heard it all A LOT. It is what it is..... Do i dig it? No. Did i buy it? Yes.... Mostly becuase i'm SICK of Vista.  I put the 7100 build of Win7 on my Vista laden laptop and JUMP - the thing was MORE than useable. It felt BETTER than new. So, for that, I'll pay a fee to have a laptop that acts like more than a paperweight.

 I like the ideas for the 2nd computers.  I did exactly what someone suggested. I put the EFI-X dongle on it and installed OX S 10.5.6 (upgrade to 10.5.7) and look forward to EFI-X upgrading the dongle to support Snow Leopard. I enjoy learning OS X and really enjoy the iLife 09 aps. iPhoto ROCKS and i can even stomach iTunes now.

...the more things change, the more they stay the same......

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Slayer08

Screw the upgrade path! too many corrupeted files after install. (all version from 95 till now; anyone)

Microscrew can shove their retail prices' up their you know what; after all

Windows7 is just a fixed Vista; so how can they justify raping us for their screw-up's?

I'll wait for price drop; my games are'nt going to run any faster on 7 or any percentage

that will matter for getting it up the rear by Microscrew. I hope you people that jump

on the band wagon get 50 service packs to install; Microscrew has all you fools money, because you let them!!!

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BlueX273

Uhh... Acctually, I'm running Windows 7 right now (and yes, I'm hooked on it), and I'm getting nearly (very nearly) the same performace as when I had Windows XP installed! By the way, I'm running Windows 7 on a Pentium III computer!!! Versus Windows Vista which won't even work on this computer.

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guitronics

I love my country. I fear it's Government.

 

 Ya got 3 categories:  #1 - Linux on the 2nd or 3rd or so computer (might I suggest Ubuntu, just for a try?),

#2 - buy the Dongle for OSX and get the family pack, or.........

 #3 -  give Microsoft the money they so rightfully deserve....they NEED the money.  No matter what ideas you have, option 3 is gonna cost you plenty. Pay the man.

 

 

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calljb1023

No, they don't deserve the money.  They fixed Vista.  So what?  For that I'm going to give them either $200 for a crippled version of their OS... PER LICENSE!?

You can if you want, but not me...

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nekollx

Bah Vista is what XP should have been, why am i paying 200 bucks for this 'upgrade' that should have been free 10 years ago!

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alanmc76

 I fear I have led some people astray in this thread, and I pray your forgiveness.

Many people have expressed their desire to perform a clean install with the upgrade version of Win 7.  Some questions were raised as to how the installer verifies that you have a pre-existing valid copy of Windows.  I went to TechNet and asked the question, and I have to admit that I don't like the answer either.

"The Windows 7 Upgrade disc will scan your computer for a qualifying
Windows operating system license.  If no qualifying O/S exists, you
cannot install the upgrade version of Windows 7." -Carey Frisch, TechNet MVP and Answerer.

Thanks Carey, but not the answer we were hoping for.  The last retail copy I purchased was 95 and have upgraded on no less than 10 PCs since then.  Maybe I can bum a retail copy of XP from a local mom and pop shop once the demand for it subsides.

Sorry about the misinformation.  Please no Lonesome Dove justice.

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Masho Bosatsu

 and your question didn't investigate doing a reinstall on a laptop after/if the recovery partition is wiped-out by the Win7 upgrade/install. With no hardcopy of the old OS left are laptops a one way upgrade??

hummm... lot's of chatter, not many answers.

MaxPC you gonna pick-up the ball?? Helping hand to your readers, so we don't need to rely on here-say?

 

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paschal

Assuming the info you have from technet is accurate, it makes the whole upgrade process even more confusing as they consider xp a qualifier but say xp can not be upgraded directly as with vista. That would mean that with xp you would have to have a third party app to create a partition slide, or maybe a second hdd already installed and ready to go. With vista either play pattycake with the existing OS or use the partition slider?

Who knows, until some better leaks are out there, but gotta buy now....right? 

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Tekzel

If you have XP or choose to do a clean install with the upgrade version of 7 the installer will move your old data to a folder called "windows.old" in the root.  Its up to you if you trust the installer to do this flawlessly, or be smart and just do a backup of some sort beforehand.

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guitronics

 

 

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but with a simple download of an .iso and a burn, a person could try one of the Linux distro's. Use it on a desktop,laptops can be flaky. 

 

One computer get's the MS, the other Linux....and Linux is available in 32, or 64 bit, there's multiple distro's and variations available.

 

For a 2nd computer, you just might like an open source alternative to windows. You can always change your mind and buy yet another copy of M$. Linux, on the other hand, can be put on as many machines as you want. For FREE. 

 

 I love my country. I fear it's Government.

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Trafficman

If I get the preorder home premium upgrade version will I be able to do a clean install with it? I don't know where my XP disc is and besides that I don't want to install an OS to only install the upgrade imediatly after.

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alanmc76

 

 Yes, you will be able to do a clean install.  You will have to prove that you have a valid copy of XP or Vista.  However, I have not heard any clarification on how that will be done.  I'm assuming you will have to insert the previous version's disc during the installation so it can be scanned.  I have heard some rumors that the installation process will simply ask for your previous version's key, which will be verified online. 

At any rate, as long as you have a valid copy of XP or Vista and the product key, you should be fine.

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AzMonguse

So I wounder if it will be like Vista was if you want a 64 bit version you have to order the DVD from Microsoft and of course pay for it - unless you shell out the Cost of the Ult. Version, which I can see no use for unless you speak several languages or must have the bitlocker. As I run 64 bit Vista now and both new laptops we have on order also are running the 64bit version of Vista - So as I have pre-ordered Win7 I guess after I get it I will have to contact Microsoft to order a 64bit version of the DVD. Can anyone shed some light on this?

 

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alanmc76

 Just like a box of Neopolitan ice cream, it comes with both flavors.  Every copy of Win 7 comes bundled with both 32 and 64bit software.  They have not clarified as yet, if that means one disc or two.  For that , we will have to wait and see.

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Masho Bosatsu

What about laptops that don't come with os discs?

I followed the link to the MS FAQ for limited pricing but that didn't explain how laptop upgrades will be handled.

There's no os disc to put in for a Win7 install to detect.

Worse still, in most cases now install data is on that 'spare' partition - setup by your laptop maker - Installing Windows 7 may (or may not) do away with that partition.  How is a future reinstall handled?

 How is laptop upgrading handled?

Also, if your purchase path is always laptops - why upgrade or buy Win7?  The next machine one is to buy would already have either of these Win versions installed by default, the fee will be bundled in the price, and the hardware's price will have fallen.  Can we conclude that if you're only buying laptops this upgrade offer loses its 'appeal'?

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alanmc76

 If your computer came pre-installed with Windows, then the manufacturer must include the disc and the product key sticker must be permanently attached to the chassis of the computer. If they do not then they are in violation of the OEM software license.

If you bought a computer and don't have the product key sticker, you were screwed.  You have yourself an illegal copy of Windows.  However, if you have a product key sticker, Microsoft will send you a backup copy for a small fee, usually about $20 to cover the cost of the disc and shipping.

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Tekzel

"If your computer came pre-installed with Windows, then the manufacturer
must include the disc and the product key sticker must be permanently
attached to the chassis of the computer."

Bzzzzt, wrong.  Thank you, try again.  They are not obligated to supply disks by the OEM agreement, only the COA sticker.  Microsoft themselves are no longer making OEM disks available to OEMs, they are moving to a medialess license system where the end user can BUY the disk if they want it.

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nekollx

 What do you mena Laptop have no Discs, every laptop i have bought over the last 3 year for myself and my comany (over 12) have had a bundle of the aplications and OS for reinstalling. You must shop at some fishy retrailers. Also the windows liscence key sticker can often be found inthe underside of your laptop

 

Sent from my laptop.

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Masho Bosatsu

Laptops of all denominations Have Not come with pure OS CDs for years and many more years.  

MaximumPC has lamented this for quite some time - a) someone here does not actually subscribe/read the magazine, b) someone here shops in some pretty 'fishy' places to be getting OS cd's with thier laptops. (watchout if you get federally audited)

However, Thank you, to all three replies, for reminding me that there is the key on the bottom of the machine, and maybe that may work. But probably not.  A key alone won't convince the upgrade CD.

Additionally I found some links on the listed retailers' sites that imply the upgrade path is not smooth - I will send a copy to MaxPC and see who's hoodwinking who.

 

For Love or Money

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heartagram

Is it possible to upgrade from Vista 32bit Home Premium to 64bit 7 Home premium for the $50 preorder? If it is I'm jumping on that stuff. I sure hope so!

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alanmc76

 Please refer to my posting in this thread titled "Clarification on the word "Upgrade"" from yesterday.  That should answer your question.  The short answer is yes, but you have to backup your files and do a fresh install.

 

-- "What am I, MacGyver? Fix it with what?"--

 

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u217946

The online retailers participating in Microsoft's pre-order Win 7 disc sale starting at midnight Eastern tonight are:
Amazon
Best Buy
Costco
Fry's Electronics
Office Depot
Office Max
Sam's Club
Staples
Tiger Direct
Walmart
NewEgg
Nebraska Furniture Mart (What the?)

In Canada, you can hit:
Staples
Future Shop
Best Buy
London Drugs
Amazon
The Source

And in Japan, the pre-order is available at:
Yodobashi Camera
Amazon
Yamada Denki
Bic Camera
• and "all small partners" (whatever that means)

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alanmc76

NewEgg is limiting orders to one per customer. BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Amazon on the other hand, will let you order the 3 that you should be able to get, and free shipping.

I've always been a fan of NewEgg, but they lost my patronage today.

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rippy45

I would like to be offered to by the upgrade for the Windows 7 Ultimate, I have been running the beta and the RC beta and have been offered via e-mail to upgrade to home or pro but no ultimate.

Also are both versions they are offering at 32 & 64 bit, I would not wish to go back to 32 after enjoying the tasty 64 bits !!!

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alanmc76

Sorry, the Ultimate version is not being offered for pre-sale.

Both the Home Premium and the Professional versions on presale inclue the 32 and 64bit software in the package.

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ceator3571

I just orderd mine. I just bought a new machine with Vista on it and it's not too bad but it does have it's issues as we all know. I am looking foward to the final version of Windows 7.

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Ras Thavas

I am currently using Xp Pro from an  XP Pro upgrade disk, which looked at my copy of Win 98 to validate the install.  Can I buy a Win 7 Pro Upgrade and use it or do I have to buy a full version?  I can't seem to find the details anywhere.

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alanmc76

You should have no problem with the upgrade version, as long as you can prove that your copy of XP is legit.  All Microsoft has said is that you must be running a valid copy of XP or Vista, they have not explained how that is determined during install.  This should be similar to your upgrade from 98, except that you cannot upgrade directly from XP, meaning you will have to backup your files and do a fresh install.

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dreamsburnred

 I guess the 1 time OS X is cheaper then windows...its a shocking $29! A family pack (5) is $59!

 I have used both the beta and RC of W7 and will not buy it. I made the mistake of forking up $140 for vista upgrade...nada.

 I will just move to windows 7 when I get a new computer, it will come free, and will be fully designed for the OS.

DBR

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nekollx

Apple can get away with it though because they know if your upgrading osx you HAVE to have apple hardwear, they alreayd overcharged yu for the PC and can now milk more money out for a upgrade that in all truth may not even benifit your hardwhere (check macklife theirs a discusion on just want GPUS will and will not acelerate snow lepord)

 

MS isn't really the same since you could instal 7 on a six month old computer, six day old, six year old or six teen year old system, their isnt a hard were lock/package. Seven works on your netbook, your laptop, your desktop, or your super computer running missle calculations. OSX works on Apple computers that meet the minimum spec requirments whic is basly a 6 month window or a costly upgrade to a older system.

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calljb1023

I see your point, but it's not completely true.

First, you can use OS X on a PC, you don't need Apple hardware.  There are "how to's" all over the web and even MaximumPC has provided instructions on how to do that.

Second, you state that you can install Win7 on a 6 day to sixteen year old computer.  As Win7 minimum requirements call for a 1Ghz CPU, it would be difficult as the 1Ghz processor wasn't introduced until around 2000.  And let's be honest, when is anyone happy with performance when installing against minimum requirements.

Although I do appreciate your attempt to defend Microsoft's version/pricing model, to me it doesn't hold much water...

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alanmc76

 Yes, you can run OS X on a PC if you first buy an EFI-X dongle ($235, http://efixna.com).  That, right there negates the whole price factor.  Or you can try one of the malware infested patches that are circulating on the net.  Neither is an acceptable solution for me.

And yes, Windows 7 has been installed on a Pentium II.  Read here:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/microsoft_enthusiast_runs_windows_7_pentium_ii_system

However, you are correct in your statement that installing against minimum requirements is not a good idea, and will probably run very slowly.  But the fact remains.  It did work.  OS X will refuse to install if the minimums are not met, period.

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nekollx

 not to counter my own supporter but even WITH the dongle the price is less

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_your_own_hackintosh

 Check mmy comments i posted specs and price for a comparable mac to the Hackitosh

 

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alanmc76

 That is assuming you are buying a whole new computer.  We are only talking about upgrading an existing PC, assuming that all hardware meets the minimum requirements.

For instance, take one identical machine (PC, not Apple) that meets the specs for both operating systems.  Your choices are OS X v. 10.6, plus the dongle, equals $264.  Retail Windows 7 Home Premium - $199.  So, even by your own argument, the Windows solution is still cheaper.  That was my point.

Granted, you can build a hackintosh for less than it costs to buy a Mac.  That just proves how bloated their hardware prices are, even with a nicely priced OS.  Where Apple does beat MS is the group license for home use.  I truly wish that option was available for Windows.

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calljb1023

You do make a good argument however, you are using Windows Home Premium as your benchmark.  Home Premium is a crippled version of Windows full OS offering.  OS X only comes in one flavor.  I think it would be a better comparison if you used Ultimate against OS X...

- Your Friendly Devil's Advocate ;-)

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AzMonguse

The only differance from Pro to Ult is tha additiion of being able to use one or more of 35 different languages - how many need that? and the addition of BitLocker which I have on my Ult Vista64 bit and have never once used. So the Pro is a valid compair in my view.

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