Is Windows 7 Going to Boost Mac Sales?

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1337Goose

It warms my heart when any article mentioning Apple is met by staunch resistance and camaraderie against Apple. 

Max PC, where people understand you... 

~Goose

 Edit: Except for that one dude that just posted the same thing like 18 times... 

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popstop785

I hate the proprietary ways of Apple and that is why I will never purchase a product by them. Unless they change their ways of course... and lose that snotty, arrogant, blind, uneducated pride.

 

Besides, the beta of Win7 had me sold. Besides, as a college student, I only had to pay $30 for my copy of Win7. :)

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mexfreak86

but I got Windows 7 free from my school. Just had to reserve from the library and I had a key emailed to me. So I got it early and for free. ;)

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MleB

It'll be an interesting competition, especially as Snow Leopard has been suffering from bad press / user angst lately.

OS issues aside however, I can see how users may be attracted to a Mac, what with their standardized (albeit sometimes dodgy) build quality. Buy a Mac and you can be. more or less, assured of what you are buying. Use Boot Camp (or Parallels or VMWare) and install Win7 and you can have the best of both worlds.

That said, I recently paid 1/3 the price of the cheapest MacBook here and got myself a netbook that is capable of doing everything I need of a computer - and faster than my 'old' Vista machine, at that.

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zerokool

Why o why is there no option to disable pointer acceleration in the mouse options page??? Had to run a script to fix it that's just sad =( That's also why I will never buy a Mac =P

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Brtian Coto

Mouse pointer acceleration? is that a new invention from MS? One of those things that dont do anything other than nothing?

I am happy with my mac that never crashes or rebootsand I dont need mouse pointer acceleration, whatever the **** it is.

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Caboose

 Windows 7 Home is fine for the majority of people. And unless you NEED the features included with Win7 Ultimate, Home is more than enough.

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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lunchbox73

You're telling us Vista users to DEFINITELY upgrade to Windows 7 even though you don't even use it? Nice. Let me guess, you're one of the people saying "Vista sucks" to everyone you've met for the last two years right? I love you guys!

No knock on 7 but my Vista suits me just fine and I'm not upgrading until I need to.

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DBsantos77

Agreed. Vista SP2 is very stable, but I like 7 way better :)

-Santos

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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TheFreeman

I can see it boosting the sale of Macs. 

I am (as I would like to think) a PC, but I bought a 13" MacBook Pro over the summer because my Dell XPS M1530 started randomly falling apart and I noticed that the MacBooks generally have better build quality.

Once I get my hands on a full copy of Win 7 it is going on my MacBook. I bought this MacBook with the intention of putting Windows on it.

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Havok

 The Freeman uses his powers of perception to nobly sacrifice an inferior device, effectively gaining a more powerful one....

 

 

CLICK.

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YoshiHNS

If only they provided a nice, clear picture of the graph they're basing the report on. No idea what the vertical axis is, but I'm assuming it's apple hardware sales. The graph would be even better if they put the dates of Mac OS releases on there as well.

From what I see, laptop sales have been steadily increasing over the last couple of years. Probably because that's when the macbook had enough power/speed to do what most people need, and it was a laptop.

Should note that there was no increase around the XP release. Major increases were seen around Win2K and Vista. So a bad OS increases mac sales, while a good OS does nothing. Makes sense. When an OS is about to come out, people probably wait for it to be released before buying. Most of these people are probably PC people. So if the OS is good, people buy it and no new Mac customers. If it's bad, people don't understand downgrading OS or anything else most of us would consider simple, and just jump to mac since that 'works'.

 Don't think Windows 7 will decrease or increase mac sales. Just a matter of shutting up all those people who mindlessly shout how window's sucks just because of the poor vista release.

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nmanguy

Maybe they buy a Mac to run boot camp, while still fitting in with their "cool" co-workers.

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Brtian Coto

Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, upgrade to Windows 7, dont upgrade to Windows Vista, Use home edition, dont use home edition, use proffessional edition...

Its a complicated world...

 Since 8 months ago, and after 20 years waisting my time with PCs... guess what... yes I bought a mac.

 And now I am happy that all I have is a COMPUTER that always works, nbow I love it.

Why did I take so long...

 Warnings... virus... spywear... data loss... norton... avg... symantec... what once was my daily life now seems so far away...

Why did I take so long?

What about those yellow popups "your computer in under risk..." seriously thats all past for me...

Now my computer just works, all you have to do is turn it on once and you will NEVER have to reboot it, install antiviruses, get corrupted, haha thats aaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll past now.

Well, its just a personal choice.

 But I still use MS Office on my Mac, the best and only good thing that ever came out from Microsoft.

And guess what? Microsoft Office works better in a mac, funny?

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Caboose

 Do you enjoy paying twice as much for your Office for Mac as well? How about that overly expensive, and greatly under powered system you bought compared to a PC for the same cost? Or the fact that if you were able to rub 2 brain cells together, you can easily prevent yourself from being infected with any form of malware.

Hope you don't plan on upgrading your system anytime soon, otherwise you'll be spending 2-3 times as much  for a part that is "Certified by Apple", instead of zipping over to your local computer shop and grabbing the same part for much less!

And then there's having to re-purchase your entire software library a second time (unless you just pirate everything) just so that it works on a Mac. Unless you've decided to install Bootcamp and toss Windows on it. But that'd be counter to what you did eh.

It's a good thing you didn't "convert" prior to the switch to the x86 architecture, otherwise that simple upgrade to MacOS X Pussy Cat Dolls would have caused you to buy an entirely new PC. I have 5 and 6 year old computers, comfortably running Windows 7 with a simple, and inexpensive HDD and RAM upgrade.

Windows XP was released just shy of 10 years ago. Windows Vista was ~5 years ago. A "new" version of MacOS X is released every 1-3 years. And sure, you may not have to pay much, but you're simply buying a service pack! When you jump from Windows XP to Windows 7 (if you skipped the Vista years) there's more than just a few cosmetic changes, but that's what most people only want to look at. Apple releases a change here or there, announces to the world their new version of MacOS X House Cat and all the Mactards rejoyce and flock to the Apple store to buy MacOSX service pack ##.

 As for your comment about the versions. It's pretty simple. Are you a home user? Yes? Get Home Premium. Are you a business user or IT professional? Yes? Get Professional/Ultimate. Not that difficult!

So sure, why not get a Mac instead of spending $120cad to get the new Windows, $50cad for a new HDD, and $50 on a 2GB kit of DDR2-800 ($320) when you could spend closer to $3000 on a new Mac and all the software and a 2 button mouse (unless Apple is including them now).

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Brtian Coto

Well all generic parts that fits in PCs also fits in a mac. I bought memory extension in the past, the same generic memory, for the same price, that you would buy for your PC.

I cant remember how much money I spend on PCS and how many PCs I have purchased. 

How could I have upgraded my first AT 286? And then how could I have upgraded several 486 DX2 66 that I also had in the past? And how could I have upgraded my Pentiums, Pentium II and Pentium IVs that I also had in the past?

The delusion that Macs are not upgradeable and PCs are, is... a delusion...

I dont need to upgrade from my current OS simply because it works.

You have to understand that you dont need to upgrade an OS on a Mac to fix issues because there are no issues. You have to admit that all these problems that you have on a PC you dont have on a Mac. I am happy with the OS that was shipped on the computer and will be using it for many years as well.

Its just a plug and play computer, you dont even need to know what is an OS to use it. Got the point?

In my opinion (and I could be wrong, but) Microsoft makes a lot of money selling operating systems, so obviously they can't make something that works, otherwise they wont sell any more operating systems in the future.

I hope everyone here understands that diferent processors need diferent mainboards, so swiching a processor on a PC requires the purchase of a entirely new motherboard, both (CPU and mainboard) cost over 50% of the price of a PC, so how upgradeable is that?

In addition laptops are very hard to upgrade, both PC and Mac, equaly hard (or impossible) to upgrade. you can place new memory or HHD but not a new processor. Am I speaking english?

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Caboose

See now you're just being silly. When the time comes that hardware is no longer supported then yes, it's time to move on. But until then, upgrade until you can't upgrade anymore. Eventually it'll get to the point where all you can do is some RAM or a HDD. Heck, with my AMD based system, I can use AM2, AM2+ and AM3 CPU's in my AM2+ motherboard. So I'm set for a while. When the time comes, I'll move on to the AM3 socket and be content with that for a number of years.

I never said that Macs can't be upgraded. Just that "Apple Certified" parts are much MUCH more expensive than their PC counterparts. And if you're happy with one OS, then fine. But when an app is released that ONLY works with MacOS X 10.7 or something, you'll be singing a different tune. I've got apps that I've had since the days of Windows 95 that still run and run well on my 64bit Windows 7 PC.

If there are no issues on a Mac, then why is there a gaping HARDWARE security hole in the keyboards that allows an attacker to take control of your system at the hardware level. Why is there a bug in MacOS where when using the guest account, you can run the risk (a major risk at that) of completely loosing your data on your primary account. If there are no issues with MacOS, then why are the number of Viruses increasing? If there are no issues with Macs or MacOS, then why has there been a new revision of MacOS X released every 1-3 years since 1999? If there are no issues w/Macs or MacOS, then you'd still be on MacOS X 10.0 and Apple would be twiddling their thumbs (or whatever version of MacOS X was released for the x86 platform).

A non-mac laptop CPU is not that difficult to upgrade. Most even have easy access to the CPU. As long as you can find a supported processor. THAT is the difficult part. Heck, upgrading the RAM on my brother's MacBook PRO was an ordeal in itself.

Mac's Server OS is a piece of crap! Worst code written ever in the history of OS code. When you have to rebuild a server weekly due to the OS flucking up, that's a problem. And the Mac "experts" are nothing short of morons!

Ultimately, I hope you enjuoy your clouded image of Apple, your "MyFirst PC" and your overpriced coffee!

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Brtian Coto

"Eventually it'll get to the point where all you can do is some RAM or a HDD"

- Great to know you understand that.

 "Just that "Apple Certified" parts are much MUCH more expensive than their PC counterparts"

- I never cared about those certified parts, GM or Ford Certified parts are also more expensive, as well as Dell or Sonny. Same boat. Great to know you understand that.

"But when an app is released that ONLY works with MacOS X 10.7 or something, you'll be singing a different tune."

- Well thats obvious: old app works on new systems, new app will no work on old systems!

"I've got apps that I've had since the days of Windows 95 that still run and run well on my 64bit Windows 7 PC"

- Well thats obvious: old app works on new systems, new app will no work on old systems! [note its just the same answer as above!]

 "...why is there a gaping HARDWARE security hole in the keyboards that
allows an attacker to take control of your system at the hardware
level. Why is there a bug in MacOS where when using the guest account,
you can run the risk (a major risk at that) of completely loosing your
data on your primary account."

- Sorry never heard of those statements. Any links to clear it?

 "...a new revision of MacOS X released every 1-3 years since 1999?"

- They all work fine and were meant for design and other minor upgrades, not to fix bugs, malfunctions, or UI failure.

 "Heck, upgrading the RAM on my brother's MacBook PRO was an ordeal in itself."

- Wonder why would it be a problem to upgrade memory, can you explain why?

"Mac's Server OS is a piece of crap!"

I understand that but who is talking about servers? Microsoft produce great server technology as well great applications like Microsoft Office. But as far as I know we are talking strictly about Operating Systems here. So the fact that Apple's server technology is not good doesnt mean anything.

"Ultimately, I hope you enjuoy your clouded image of Apple, your "MyFirst PC" and your overpriced coffee!"

- Lets make it clear that I dont love apple and I dont care about theire image, whichever it is, or whichever you think it is. About my overpriced coffee, it's doing very well, thank you very much, and every sip of it worth double what I paid for it. I wish the same for your hot water drink.

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1337Goose

 This has been quite an interesting episode. First of all, I must commend you Brtian Coto, for creating a MaxPC commenter account just to troll this thread.

Also, it's fun to note that you  said you don't care about Apple's image, but you're quoting Apple's "It just works" tag line all over the forums. Please don't kid yourself, Macs break too... and if you're as tech-savvy as you make yourself out to be, you'd be able to take care of a PC (mine has been running without a crash, or reformat for 5 years now) 

As for the delete user data on login bug: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/12/major-bug-in-snow-leopard-deletes-all-user-data ... Hope that clears it up. The truly funny thing about that bug, is that Apple has known about it for years, and probably just decided that it'd be funnier to let users discover it for themselves. I love surprises? Don't you, Brtian Coto? 

You're absolutely right when you say that new revisions of Mac OS were "meant for design and other minor upgrades, not to fix bugs, malfunctions, or UI failure." It seems that Apple would rather ignore bugs than fix them.

But let's put all of that aside for now, shall we? You know what I really hate about Apple? The mindset. Honestly, Mac users feel that it's better to ignore Apple's follies rather than acknowledge them. 

If that's the way it is for you Brtian Coto, then please continue using your incredibly perfect computer. I really do hope you have an excellent experience with that machine. But for the love of God, please don't go around on every thread you can find, telling other people why their opinions are incorrect. Thanks. 

 

~Goose

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Brtian Coto

"First of all, I must commend you Brtian Coto, for creating a MaxPC commenter account just to troll this thread."

 - MY guess is that everyone creates an account on a new site to post comments and not just to keep an account there.

I always "hated" to use antivirus so I never had one running in my PCs, simply because they slow down the system too much. I never get viruses either but I understand the way I used to use PCs is not the same way people out there use it. And people out there is very vulnerable to viruses and other corruptions. In fact, ALL my friends keep getting viruses on theire PCs and guess who they call to fix it?

I decided to write these posts for these people, thats all.

In response, all you guys were able to do, is say that I am wrong for whatever nonsense reason, read the replyes carefully, a lot of nonsense.

"A non-mac laptop CPU is not that difficult to upgrade" - what the heck that means?

"...you have to rebuild a server weekly due to the OS flucking up" -What?

"...with my AMD based system, I can use AM2, AM2+ and AM3 CPU's in my AM2+ motherboard." - AMD? What can youdo with those AMDs anyways?

"when you could spend closer to $3000 on a new Mac" - Well, my new Mac costs $999.00 and is shipped with much better hardware then a Dell for over $1,500.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Windows XP was released just shy of 10 years ago. Windows Vista was ~5
years ago. A "new" version of MacOS X is released every 1-3 years. And
sure, you may not have to pay much, but you're simply buying a service
pack! When you jump from Windows XP to Windows 7 (if you skipped the
Vista years) there's more than just a few cosmetic changes, but that's
what most people only want to look at. Apple releases a change here or
there, announces to the world their new version of MacOS X House Cat
and all the Mactards rejoyce and flock to the Apple store to buy MacOSX
service pack ##." - This whole paragraph is completely nonsense, correct me if I am wrong but an upgrade for Mac OS is like 30 or 50 bucks, much less then MS upgrades!

"Do you enjoy paying twice" - The only time a PC is more affordable than a Mac is when you buy a nonbrand white box one, which has been put toguether by some worker who touched every single piece releasing static electricit all over the place and who will barely give you warranty and who will tell you, 6 months latter when you come back for upgrades, that you have to change everything that's inside that box. Am I lying? Or if you buy a netbook whichs battery last 1/2 hour and whichs screen is less then 10" and whichs processor is a celeron with no internal cache.

It seems like you guys are more worried to defend PCs and love PCs much more then me to Macs, dont it? Well it clearly does.

Its is funny to note that for personal choice I always kept my mac closed so it doesnt allow visitors to log in, lol, so it happens that that bug problem would not be a problem for me. For some reason I had the feeling that it would not work properly, maybe I have a crystal ball inside my brain.

So to kill this, all I wanted to say is what I said first, I used PCs for almost 20 years and always hated Macs (just like you guys) The only diference between me and you is that now I am operating a much better machine.

And finally I am not sure if I believe (sorry about that) that your PCs havent crashed in 5 years, seriously I kind of have a hard time to believe that, uhmmmm.

Now forget about when I created my account, forget about Apple's server solution, forget about upgrading (because its all the same boat), forget about releases (its also the same boat), forget about prices (because a Dell or an HP with equivalent hardware is NOT cheaper) and forget about everything and just admit that: It just works!

I always hated the proprietary engineering from Mac but it just works and that what I care now, I only care if my computer can work for months without even a reboot.

I still use PCs at work and I have to reboot it every 3 days to clear its memory and still photoshop crashes almost daily. But its not really MS fault, its just that the hardware itself is not as good quality and you get what you paid for.  

My Mac sleeps when I am not using it and wakes up in 2 seconds when I want it, MS Office, and all the Adobe package stays always open and runing and it is so great that I dont need to open and close applications all the time! It saves me a lot of time! by the time I finish this post you are still rebooting your PC so you can read it haha.

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1337Goose

Being a Mac user shouldn't alleviate you from using AV software. In fact, Apple recommends it.

Remember that little yellow bubble that told you "Your computer may be at risk?" It was doing you a favour, your computer may still be at risk... it just doesn't tell you anymore. Please install AV on your Mac.

AMD had cache problems? They're doing quite well now, thanks. Please don't bring up facts from the company's past. It wouldn't be fair if I came up to you and said Apple products are flawed because the Apple Newton was a failure.

Windows XP released ~5 years ago? It released October 25, 2001. The current year is 2009, that's more like 8 years, going on 9... not 5.

I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that my PC install has worked for 5 years. Heck, my Linux machine crashes more often than my PC. 

And please stop with the "It just works" mentality.

http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-software/295034-missing-file-system-macbook-fails-boot.html

If "It just worked," threads like those wouldn't exist

~Goose

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Caboose

 For $1000 you CAN get a Dell computer that is IDENTICAL or
BETTER than a Mac. And custom build PCs are all damaged goods with no warranty
and shoddy support? WTF are you smoking and why is it not legalized yet?

Windows is not that much more expensive to buy an UPGRADE
kit for. Add of the total cost of all the KittyKat releases that fall under OS
10; it’s guaranteed to be more than the $99 price to upgrade from XP to Vista,
or Vista to 7.

You don't pay to go from Win2k3 Server R1 to R2 do you?
Nope. But Mac does to move up a server OS to the next revision.

So, cost is a concern, CHOICE and the multitude of software
that comes with the PC/Windows community is a concern.  Assuming you never do massive upgrades (motherboard
and processor) then minor upgrades like HDD, RAM, even CPU are equal since a
Mac IS A PC INSIDE NOW.

You asked what I can do with my AMD processor. I can do the
same thing you can do with your Intel CPU. I process data and use my computer.
Your question doesn’t make much sense. Was that trying to be some form of
insult? Because if it was, it failed. And FYI, PC’s use Intel CPU’s, and have
been for far longer than Macs as well. So it’s a moot point. And if you weren’t
aware, AMD was also a contender when Apple was looking to replace the IBM
PowerPC.

Could we buy a low end Lexus just to tout we drive stock Lexus’?
Sure. But I'll take a much more customizable, cheaper Camry. Same car,
different badge but the Camry is much more affordable and
customizable/upgradeable.

When it comes down to it there are 3 reasons PCs have so
"many" issues:

1.      
We fuck with them. LOTS. Trying new software not
certified and new devices and beta drivers. (Same thing happens on a "nix”
distro of most any kind as well)

2.      
Parts go bad. But that’s the same for ANY
computer, regardless of mfg. And Apple doesn’t make their own stuff, so if
Apple sales ever reach that of PC sales, the failure rate should be pretty
even.

3.      
Virus infections. Yeah, those I concede suck
balls but that's not any fault of the PC NOR the OS really. All software has vulnerabilities
and IF Macs get as many sales as PCs, again, the rate will be the same.

Macs: have prettier default backgrounds, give you an air of elitism,
and are great for music, photo, and video editing.

PCs: Have more options, in every aspect. Cost less. Let us
bitch at Mac users.

See, each has their pros :)

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Brtian Coto

Why you curse so much? is that your PC that makes you so mad?

Dont get mad, I just wanted to say I am happy with my new Mac because everything I wish a PC would do this Mac here does. And it just works!!!!

Let me give you some examples:

1 - rotating images is as easy as clicking a button (just like in PCs) except that over here it takes less then a 10th of a second to rotate it and on PCs takes like 2 minutes to rotate every image. Why?

2 - those small shortcuts to switch between running applications at he bottom bar in Windows is horrible to use, just after you use a Mac you will realize that. And the start menu is also horrible. Try out a Mac and you will understand.

3 - Sleeping/awaking on PC is buggy, sllow, doesnt work well. What about when it runs out of baterry? Check out a Mac and I am sure you will be impressed how it sleeping/awake and even when it dies out it will save everything as it was, even the song you were playing on itures will be back, playing, after you plug it in. Not including the wireless connection, download, and work unsaved, everything back to where it was just like there was never a power loss, and IN ONE SECOND!!! And the main reason why I switch to mac is really because my acer lap top never woke up after i closed it, and it was one month old, had to send it to acer and have it repaired. By the tame it came back 15 days latter I didnt even wanted to look at it, I was already with my new white macbook. So I put an ad on Craigs list and sold that Acer away before it brakes again hehe.

4 - the hot corners are great on the Mac, can let you see the entire desktop, drag a file (for example) and while you are draging it you can make it show all contents again and drop that file in a fodler window... Anyways, its hard to explain but just go to a Mac store and ask for some free tutorial and you will understand.

5 - just hook up a printer and without any pop ups, any questions, any messages, any wornings and any problems you have your printer fully set up and working in 2 or 3 seconds. Yes not even a pop up or a question, you dont even need to know whats the printer model or manufacture. Its just an example of a very simple OS that doesnt ask questions, just get the job done. Oh God how much that "your computer is under risk" lit yellow pop up bugged me for so many years, stop my work and make me click that little x to close it, just to se another pop pup coming up every ****ing time I turn that PC on...

AMD processors had a buggy internal cache back in the years and thats when I decided to keep a safety distance from them.

Finaly, I wish you a nice new year!!! (by the way, is there a new year bug to worry about on PCs or that was only for the year 2000?)

Ah, also, if it happens that Microsoft has a trial version for their Windows 7, I will give it a try. Will load it in my Mac to see if there is really a "progress" and if I happens that I like it more then OSx, I can def go back to it but I will keep my Mac. You can say whatever you want but you will NEVER be able to convince me that a Mac runing Windows 7 is not way way way better than a PC runing Windows 7. Nothing is for free, you get what you pay for. But if they dont have a tryal version, lame, probably because its garbage. If it's good then they should have a trial version. And dont say that "its because of piracy" because Adobe software is 10 times more expensive and they HAVE 30 day trial versions available to the entire planet right online in their web site. I TALK REAL FACTORS HERE, NOT NONSENSE.

 

 

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Caboose

I don't want to be mean, but please spell check your posts. It is very difficult to understand what you're attempting to say, or even take you seriously whenyou misspell the majority of what you're typing.

I'm not sure where you got your stats or information from, but rotating an image on my PC does not take 2 minutes. Even on a netbook, it does not take 2 minutes. Unless you're rotating an extreme HD image that is a few hundred megs, I can see a rotate taking some time

 Those "small shortcuts" you are talking about are called minimized windows. A taskbar button, or a dock icon are the same thing in a different package. Windows 7 has done away with traditional taskbar icons and gone with an icon instead (unless you're using the "Classic Windows" theme, but even then I think it's still an icon). The dock can be useful, however I don't find having the dock popup on the screen every time I move my mouse to the bottom of a window helpful, I find it more annoying than anything.

When a computer goes to sleep, the information is stored in RAM for quick wake. If the battery dies, then that information is gone! Poof! Never to be seen again! I don't care if you're on a Mac, Linux or Windows. If your battery dies while your PC is asleep, your data is gone. Your media player saves information so that should the app crash, the PC shutdown or power is lost, you can resume what you're doing from where you left off. It's not magic, it's not Mac specific. If I have FireFox running with 4 tabs open and my PC goes to sleep, the battery dies and I boot it back u, FireFox will restore those tabs based on stored history.

So when you connect any piece of hardware, you have no idea what's going on with it? Nothing to indicate if it's installed correctly, if the hardware has failed, if you do in fact need a driver (because generic drivers only work so much)? That doesn't seem very helpful in my opinion. I prefer to have a little popup telling me that new hardware has been found and that the device has been installed. You can't expect every piece of hardware ever created forever to work flawlessly without any user intervention. You will need to load a driver of some sort at some point. That's just the way it is. If you think otherwise, you're a damned fool!

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention the "your computer is under risk" (is that even grammatically correct?) lit yellow pop up.  Are you talking about Windows telling you that you don't have an anti-virus installed, or that your automatic updates are turned off? Because if you're installing a printer, scanner, camera, or piece of hardware, you won't see a "your computer under risk" message. That is user error right there. Has nothing to do with the OS. You are being informed that your PC is not properly protected. Don't blame the OS for your shortcomings.

AMD Processors had a TLB bug in the first generation Phenom. That issue has been fixed long ago. However, this discussion is not about AMD or Intel CPUs.

You can install Windows Vista and Windows 7 without a product key, thus making a 30-day, fully functional trial of the OS. Why not just torrent it and give it a spin. If you fault Microsoft for using a product key to register the OS, then you should also fault Adobe for the same thing. Or any other application that requires you to register the software and use a product key. You know, I've never once seen a trial version of MacOS X.

 *sigh* and lastly, your attempt at "PC Humour" is very pathetic. If you have been using Computer the 20 years like you so claim, you would be aware that the Y2K bug was nothing to worry about. Out of curiosity, what was the first system and OS you worked with?

I TALK REAL FACTORS HERE, NOT NONSENSE.

 -= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Brtian Coto

Never mind, I am exhausted and cant answer all your questions again because most likely you will just kick back with the same mentality and nonsense. Is it possible that we can come down to the conclusion that, at least, having a mac running windows is better than having a pc running windows?
But before you answer that question let me provide you with some real factors and experiences I had. First remember that I have made installs of dos, win3.11, 95, 98, 98se, 2000, millennium, xp hundreds of times, and I know how is it to get it done.
To get all peripherals (video board, sound, network, etc) installed you have to run the software from each cd that comes with each peripheral, which is expected, obviously, when you have an open architecture as the pc one.
But I would think though that if it was a brand name pc, like IBM, Compaq, Dell and others, and if you wanted to load the operating system from scratch - which I did many many times on all these computers as well as Sony, HP, Acer, Toshiba and others - after finalizing installation, you should be able to simply run one single software and have every single piece of peripheral perfectly installed and ready in one single process, being that having one single reboot would be ideal.
Unfortunately it happens that reality is very much different than that, although it doesn’t matter for most users, once those brand name pcs come with a one year guaranteed Windows preinstall and with a cd that reset the computer to its original shipped configuration in case it is required due to viruses or data corruption.
But the Windows preinstall is not simply Windows pure and clean with all the drivers ready to go but it also includes sometimes hundreds of other applications that you did not ask for. The amount of these applications shipped with the computer depends on each brand. They are not harmful except that they take space, clutter the computer and sometimes modify visual and operational settings.
But if in any case, you wanted to have a pc with your own plain clean Windows install, you would find some trouble. In case you are a very experienced user you can have it done on a Dell, all you have to do is go to their web site and go thru many steps until you can find your computer, and a list of dozens of drivers available for each peripheral, with no clear or known indication of which one is the correct one. So after trying each and restarting the computer 50 times after running some 30 applications, 10 will be successful and will install most the peripherals and 20 were simply not the correct ones for your hardware.
If it is a Sony you wont do it, because they don’t have drivers on their web site, but at least their reinstall cd makes a good clean install.
HP used to have good indication of the drivers on their web site and with some 10 restarts you can get it done. But I don’t know about the new ones.
In any case, the best that you can get from your pc, in case you are already lucky to have found all the drivers on your brand’s web site, is having to run one by one of those drivers and restart your windows few times.
When I loaded XP on my mac the story was much different and it impressed me. I had never imagined that, after finishing a windows xp install, could load all the drivers of a computer in one single step, running one single process and seing one single step from 0% to 100%, and one single reset, and tchan!
They really did a great job over there! I like people who always make peoples life easier and never more complicated.

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Caboose

 You're so misinformed, it's not even funny. You're basing your claims on old tech. Yes, if you were to build a brand new PC and load Windows 98 or Windows XP on it, you're going to have to load a lot more drivers than if you were to load Vista or Windows 7 oin the same system. Why is this? Because Windows Vista and Windows 7 have a lot more drivers included with the install, making newer hardware work. Video cards today use a unifide driver. Meaning that one driver works for many products. If you build a PC based around the nVidia chipset, you load 1 driver (that is if you don't have a descrete sound card) for your video, chipset, NIC, etc. And you load one driver for your soundcard. Most printers today you don't need to load any extra driver, unless it's not included with the OS. So, so far we're up to 3 drivers. And you somehow have 10? Maybe you should retake a math class, because your calculations are a little off.

I can guarentee you, that in 10 years, if you were to take Snow Leopard, and load it on a brand new Mac (If Apple hasn't moved on to another platform by then), you will have trouble with your hardware. Because in that time frame, technology will have increased, improved, and evolved a lot. Your precious Snow Leopard won't know what to do with half of the hardware. And that's if you could even install it. I guarentee, 1000%, that you will have problems, and be loading a lot of drivers... that is, if you can even find them!

And as any geek can tell you, a driver is a set of instructions for the OS to follow so that it knows how to use a piece of hardware. Every OS needs them! Linux, MacOS, Windows, OS/2. Even the OS on your cell phone has to have a driver written for each component. The keypad, wireless radio, WiFi (if applic), camera, soft keys, touch screen (if applic), etc.

This conversation is going no where. You've yet to properly answer one of my questions, or give a valid and proper response to one of my statements. You are pulling old, out of date information as current fact. Just like Apple likes to do.

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Brtian Coto

Oh, and next time you have to reboot your PC, remember about Brian Coto.

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1337Goose

I reboot often to get from Windows to Linux and vice-versa. 

~Goose

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Brtian Coto

Oh, and next time you have to reboot your PC, remember about Brian Coto.

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