Windows 7, DirectX 11!

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AlexTheUkrainian

I see a lot of hate for Vista and I share all of it b/c, well, let's face it, Vista sucks.

Win7 is a different beast, though. If you haven't tried the Beta or Release Candidate yet (or even the leaked RTM that's now available), don't judge it, trust me - you'll be pleasantly surprised. Setup is quick and painless, the footprint is way smaller than Vista's, it runs way quicker and smoother, and everything just works. Yes, I know, it's really crazy for things to just work in a MS OS, but it's true. I've had numerous issues with Vista and 8800 GTX, but I've used Win7 Beta since Jan. 2009 and had ZERO problems (except with video drivers in the past month or so, but it was getting worse until my vid. card just died today so now I know it wasn't the OS, but the dyeing hardware).

If anything, I think everyone should be enthusiastic about Win7 - it's honestly the only OS i'd actually recommend to someone. The amount of improvement from Vista is incredible. It does look similar to Vista, but it sure doesn't feel like they share anything else in common. Two thumbs up to Microsoft on this one; they got it right (finally?). Not sure how DX11 will play out, but hopefully MS learned their lesson there as well - seeing how Win7 turned out, I do have considerable hope. Go grab the RTM (build 7600.16385, NOT 7600.00000) from torrent (at your own risk!) and see for yourself. I'm running 64-bit RTM right now. The key can be "re-armed" 3 times so you won't need a product key for 4 months.

Cheers!

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farfigneugan

  So, are you trying to imply that a 7950gt ko or 7900gtx should outperfom a GTX280 in a Dx9 game? Those are the highest-end dx9 cards. After that, the 8 series came out, supporting dx10.

   You're blinded by the Vista hate, man. I'm no fan of Vista, I dual boot Vista 64 ultimate and XP pro 32. I presently own a 7950gt ko, 8800gt, and gtx280. In ANY game, from Quake 1 (1996) to Crysis, the GTX280 outperforms the other cards.

  What are you talking about?

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aluCard1462

...i would say planned obsolescence. Yeah..pretty much the way everything is designed. The old becomes aged and in walks a shiny new OS. For better or worse, this is what we have to endure.  As long as we can keep dual and triple booting, we'll be fine...

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justchad

I hope and pray that this is what we are looking at, that vista was just a stupid release like ME and windows will redeem its self with 7. Only time will tell (fingers crossed).

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AlexTheUkrainian

That's exactly my impression with Win7 so far, man. Vista was def. ME and 7 so far is rock-stable like XP. I'm software engineer and work with several IT guys and all are highly impressed with Win7 - it by far exceeded our expectations. No one had problems with it yet, even starting with the Beta version. First Beta by MS EVER to not have any problems for me - which is insane considering that, well, it's Microsoft :) So be joyous, this OS is sure to be a huge hit. In fact if you invest, I'd buy MS shares now, seriously. PS: RTM is already leaked to torrents, if interested and at your own risk, look for Final version posted by Zukanov, build 7600.16385 on thepiratebay.

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ghot

If I understan the idiot replys to my comment corectly...they think that we NEED Vista and Windows 7....we ...don't.....I just gave Vista a 2nd chance,,,,I installed it again, with all the improvements (sic) and Xp still beats it sensless...not just in speed but in ease of use.  I couldn't re-believe all the crap changes made to a perfectly functional XP..... that Vista provided.

My 3DMark 06 score on a AMD 5000+ OC'd to 3.2GHz with a GTX280 are the same as Vista's running the new i7.....  The only difference I see in Vista is more craplets to sync everything and the kitchen sink to my OS and the ability to have to spend twice as long doing it.  Add to that that it required a hardware and apps upgrade.....duh!

 

MS had the right idea  they just are implenting it at the wrong time and too fast....and to top it all off the release was so screwed up (sloppy coding and license disputes) that it made it even worse.

The app vendors, game vendors OS vendors, hardware vendors CAN afford to keep up with Murphy....only problem is the "new" average consumer can't.  Sure there are many enthusiasts that can keep up, but they are sorely outnumbered by those that can't.  Great DX10 can let me run World of conflict at 250 fps at high resolution....on monitors  I can't afford anyways.  Wheres the logic in that?  Whyt does the NEW OS require 3-5 times as many clicks to do the same thing I can do on XP  with 1 or 2?

Fortunately for my peace of mind...I don't NEED to prove my point...the market is doing it for me.

As for writing an OS that is better than Vista or Windows 7 ......I don't have to, I already have it  .....its called XP.

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fullur

Not that I am a fan of the Vista/DX10 decision, but how has that cost Microsoft any money? They were already going to get the sales that went to anyone buying XP, they got sales of Vista they would not have otherwise... the only ones hurting because MS did not port are consumers.

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Spider-Mom

when they announced 11 wasnt one if its main features going to be that it was going to be on Vista as well as 7? I specifically remember reading that.

Well screw the hole thing then. They cant really "force" you to buy anything when you can just DL the pos off a web site for free. I think it will be a long time before MS sees another dollar from me. Ill gladly steel it if their not going to do a good job in the first place, screw things up that wernt before and then institute forced obsolescence. YES that its what it is,FORCED OBSOLESCENCE. If you still think its any thing other your a fool.

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redundant

Your program has caused my computer to fry. Let me tell you the story. I started up my computer and left to go eat. When I got back, I realized my house was ablaze. I called the fire department and responded immediatly. There I was without a house for two weeks. Thanks Microsoft. My insurance has increased, my kids are homless and I have no computer. Wait, it might be because I overclocked it, but I doubt it. Microsoft wanted me to overclock it. Microsoft has been wackin my computers peepee ever since I've had it. Because of Microsoft, Crysis is lost to me.

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Keith E. Whisman

Woe..........

 

 

Can't touch that.... 

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spidercio

Wow now we're compairing glue to a coumuter!?!

Dude I think computers are a little more complicated than glue...

stop being so angry at everything... why dont you make an OS so we can all critique it and see how good you do

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GreenTurtle

 Dare we say it, Maybe ghot and hogkill can get together and build their own OS to rival MS LOL!!!!

 Sounds like ghot IS hogkill and uses two names so he can write angry posts and not seem alone in the world LOL!!!!!

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hogkill

You're right.  Microsoft shouldn't be critisized.  They are a small company and are just trying their best.  They can't take critisism, it might hurt their feelings.

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ghot

Have you ever heard another large company (like Dupont for ex.) say:  If you dont buy our new glue, all the things you glued with our old glue won't work anymore?   No you haven't!   Get some damn honor, before even the children hate you.

Port the damn APIs to all your OS's, games as well, or you will get a swift kick in your' family market share.  I realize it'll take a few years to FEEL it, but it WILL happen.

Learn from your' past mistakes....no amount of hype is going to work this time.  In case you didn't notice (while on your' Yacht) we are in a recession/depression.....if you force people to AGAIN, go out and buy new hardware......they're gonna smack your' peepee.  You know WHY WoW has outsold every damn one of your' games?  Because to play them a person doesnt need to drop another $2000 dollars on new hardware to play it.  Which part of this, don't you understand?

Keep it up and MS is going to be the ONLY two-letter dirty word! 

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HeartBurnKid

Because pairing DirectX 10 and Vista was such a winning move...

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7hemy7h

I doubt 1st gen DX11 cards will be able to render in DX11 without a large framerate loss.  I'd say stick to DX10 cards for now until DX11 hits the mainstream.

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s3th

I wont have the money to build a computer till after W7 has been out for awhile anyway so I dont have much to worry about as of now, but Id rather wait and just buy a GPU if I had to.

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SpazzAttack

1) Bring back DirectSound3D and 2) add a real physics API for the GPUs.  This Havok vs. PhysX crap is for the birds.

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ghot

Ms just won't stop will they?  Lets predict the future:

1. Windows 7 "capable" computers...

2. Driver devs purchasing automatic weapons.

3. Windows 7 following in Vistas soggy footsteps.

4. Ballmer released from jail to be tried for the same issues from the Vista era.

5. Consumers mass, and firebomb Redmond, Washington!

 

Oh the Windows OS is frightful, but the fiscal returns, delightful, Linux will start to gleam, MS leave, MS leave, MS leave!

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Mighty BOB!

So am I going to need to have DX11, 10, and 9 installed concurrently to be able to run older and newer games the same way I need 9 and 10 installed in Vista?

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SpazzAttack

The DirectX 10 API is backwardly compatible with DX9, as is DX9 with DX8, as is DX8 with DX7, etc. etc.  DirectX 11 will be the same thing in that the older API's function calls will still be accessable.  That's why I can still run DirectX 7 games (Descent 3) on my Vista Ultimate x64 system.

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dankers

Dx10 is backwards compatible

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zodi

Other then some fancier graphics...DX10 didn't really justify anything.  There are still very few games out with DX 10 support.  I will buy a new card now and like most people wait for Windows 7 SP?

 

 

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Devo85x

I'm planning on waiting for SP1 of Windows 7 so the OS will be more stable (not many Windows launches have been that great, but after SP1 the seem to get A LOT better) then just build a new rig (core i7, new DX11 GPU, etc...)

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Sina

Again... New nightmare, just like Vista.

Win 7, DX 11.

I will wait for new nightmare OS & GC.

 

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Devo85x

If my sourcs are correct, there are still more systems with windows XP than Vista, even though Vista offered and still offers some great things that the average comsumer could use... market need would tell you never to come out with new stuff... just updates to old stuff... in otherwords, if we did that, we would be using DOS 16.1 instead of XP/Vista... thank you Ill take my new stuff now...

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praetor_alpha

I've had a GTX 280 for a few months, and that is pumping pixels into my visual cortex faster than anything else ever has before. I have never had a high end card, ever, so I'm basically getting a pixel high. And yes, I'm happy about it.

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Keith E. Whisman

Well don't be hating on DX10 as it brought about the unified shader architecture. Without DX10 we wouldn't have hundreds of Stream processors in our GPU's. DX10 is truely one of the greatest technologies to come to computers ever. Simply because of the unified shader technology it brought about.... So love DX10... Love it man!

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dankers

"DX10 is truely one of the greatest technologies to come to computers ever."  I'm hanging that on my fridge.

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Keith E. Whisman

That Badass GTX280 and 4870X2 are both products that were brought about by hardware standards required by DX10, namely the unified shader.  DX10 video cards are great with DX9 games and work great in XP. So there is no need to hate on DX10. It gave us super high end graphics cards and that is what makes it the best thing to happen to computers ever. DX10 I love you.

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dankers

"DX10 video cards are great with DX9 games and work great in XP" -Man, my fridge is going to be covered!

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farfigneugan

So, are you trying to imply that a 7950gt ko or 7900gtx should outperfom a GTX280 in a Dx9 game? Those are the highest-end dx9 cards. After that, the 8 series came out, supporting dx10.

You're blinded by the Vista hate, man. I'm no fan of Vista, I dual boot Vista 64 ultimate and XP pro 32. I presently own a 7950gt ko, 8800gt, and gtx280. In ANY game, from Quake 1 (1996) to Crysis, the GTX280 outperforms the other cards.

What are you talking about?

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xs0u1x

but arent there barely any games that use dx10?

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farfigneugan

 There are a good many games that use DX10. The thing games aren't using (yet) are more than 2 cores. So quad cores/ i7s are not using more than 2 in a game, with only one or two exceptions.

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Devo85x

A good number do... but the problem is that most games we tend to get now are ported from the Xbox and PS3... anything that is run on the Xbox is run in DX9 so most developers dont see the point of DX10... so I guess this would just turn into a piracy discusion but I wont go there... but yeah there are still plenty of DX10 games if you look around

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dankers

Apparantly Microsoft still hasn't learned any lessons from Vista. They alienated a number of customers when they failed to port DX10 to XP. Now it seems they are planning to do the same thing with Windows 7.

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nekollx

why would they port Dx11 to a OS they Stoped Producing?

 

Whats next people demanxing DX11 for Windows 98?

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dankers

In an interview with a M$ insider I read right here on MPC they said something along the lines of "It was a mistake to not port DX10 to XP". Which was what I was referring to.

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nekollx

that was back when MS was stil porducing XP though, they may still be supporting XP but like Win 98 it's no t being produced

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dankers

The article did take place after XP had gone the way of the dodo, however Vista and DX10 were both developed before. After all, you wouldn't expect a gap in M$ product lineup. All i'm saying is M$ irritated more than a few people when they decided to try to force people to buy a new operating system, yet they seem perfectly willing to do it again. I had hoped that M$ would have learned from their mistakes, although that seems to not be the case.

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nekollx

there come a point when you have to move on. Really would you want to have to pick from Windows 3.1, Windoes ME, Windows 95, Windows 96, Windows 98, Windows XP, Windows Vista, AND Windows SE7EN?

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MattGreer

I'm as enthusiastic about DX 11 as I am about DX 10.  Namely, DX 9 is just fine for me...

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Keith E. Whisman

Will they reimplement the DirectSound3D API if so then all will be happy. I always felt that along with WinFS DS3D was axed to speedup developement.

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