Will Search Engines Become The Next Pirate Bay?

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slowpoke2

Never make a matyr out of anyone if you can help, it only makes things worst, oh oh someone just started the church of the pirate bay. It Doesn't matter that China is the biggest pirate in the world, no one is gonna say "where's my money from all those pirated products u stole from me" to China because they own you, your house, your car, and your country so u better not piss them off, they've got an itchy trigger finger. It's ironic that people will spend millions of dollars to stop a group of people running a site called the pirate bay, but won't do anything about the real pirate bay in east Africa.

 

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maadams50

Like someone mentioned before about the middle east.  I have visited Asian countries and they also sell pirated movies and software in their malls and stores on the side of the road.  They don't recognize copyright laws.  So as far as these torrent sites, all they have to do is move to a country that doesn't recognize copyright laws.  Then what can the government do?  Nothing.

The thing that really bothers me is you see all these court cases about copyright infringements.  There are more serious crime on the internet than stealing from the rich.   Go after the real criminals like the sick people that put child porn on the internet.  Do the band members of Metallica look like they are suffering?  Do the movie stars look like they are suffering?  Music and movies and software companies are still making millions upon millions.  I agree piracy is wrong.  But lets use our recourses to catch real criminals that are really hurting people.

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shellpc

You make alot of false assumptions. Not all musicians are as rich as Metallica, nor all movie stars making millions of dollars. Even those at the lower profit bracket of those professions suffer from piracy. Not all developers in the Software industry are making millions of dollars, especially the independant ones. Indies suffer from piracy too. Plus the publishers are usually the ones making the big bucks, not the developers. Don't forget developers tend to come and go alot - such as Iron Lore not that long ago.

 

Also, there is one thing the US can do - Foster international treaties that recognize copyright laws.

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beezn

it wont affect the site - "As for the fate of the site, Peter has already promised that The Pirate Bay will continue. The site itself was never on trial, only the four individuals listed above." - http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/

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Vegan

I remember the early days of search engines being the mainstream way of getting "warez" (disregarding convoluted IRC and Usenet methods). I still resort to it when I'm looking for an obscure torrent that none of the big guys have (usually some kind of fansub), but I'd rather not go back to those days.

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tom_stone

I think piracy is wrong but the industry is going after the wrong people, why are they hunting and closing down sites when they know that more will pop up, why is no one going after the people SELLING PIRATED movies and music. I live in LA and I know where to go to buy these things, if I know how easy it is to buy these things then the local POLICE and FBI know too. But no one is going after the the people selling PIRATED material, the industry is going after websites/servers and sometimes people at home. I feel bad for the people at home because I doubt the ones we've seen on TV have massive duplication machines in their garage churning out PIRATED movies and music, at least if they go after the people selling PIRATED material they can seize their assets to pay all the courts to prosecute them instead of wasting our tax dollars.

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Ravenlord

blaming google for showing the location of sites that traffic illegal content is like blaming alcohol for someone getting drunk. What makes the sites illegal is the actual service they provide and the use of that service by people who want to download illegal content. As a matter of fact, google actually helps the cause against piracy with its service... kinda reminds me of Malone talking to Elliott Ness in the untouchables....

'Everybody knows where the booze is.

The problem isn't finding it.

The problem is who wants
to cross Capone. Let's go.

 

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Darth Ninja

You just know that someone somewhere has a complete backup of TPB's servers, anyway all the guys at TPB have to do is ask for donations to cover the fine (or maybe more likely the legal fees) and people will come out of the woodwork... :P

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ferds7

If I recall correctly, didn't the Pirate Bay move their hosting servers to other countries after their last attack by those ancient men in suits?

And I see no way they try to attack Google. That would be like a country who's been embarrased, deserted by many and beaten down several times trying to attack a giant empire in it's golden age after winning what sounds to be a very staged battle.

If they tried to attack Google, I think Google would squash them before it can even reach the headlines.

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bloodyserb

the RIAA?

If you can't be bothered to read past the headlines, maybe you shouldn't be reporting on it.

 

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I Jedi

@ extra post by mistake

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Sonickid101

The more star systems will slip through your fingers. Same situtation with the internet and with torrents. And you can dog these people for pirateing all your want but the simple fact is humans are greedy and selfish they're not gunna pay for something they don't have to. It might make you personally feel good at the moment to go out and buy your media content but theres 1000's of people out there that don't have the qualm and will do it at a moments notice whether they think its stealing or not. They're not gunna care if a company never makes a thing again all they care about is that they got to experience that media for free. And lets not kid ourselves here. This is all about the enjoyment of art. Things like music, video games, and film are all art forms and it will go back to the way it was in the olden days when people enjoyed these things as art and weren't concerned with the price tag attatched to them because unless someone was physically playing a concert for you or manufacturing a record for you you weren't paying money to sit there and listen to it. TPB and P2P do the right thing they take the profits away from the record companies and movie studios and spread the music out so more people listen to the music and go see these artists at thier concerts where the artists do get paid. They also empower the people to make thier content because its not these major corporations that are the gatekeepers for distribution of thier medium but the artists directly. I can seed a video right now that I made by myself that can be easily distributed by me on pirate bay that hundreds of thousands of people could see easily which would be a lot harder than me going to Warner Bros or Universal or whomever to try and get it distributed to a wide audience. The RIAA and the MPAA are made up of these companies and they're just resisting a change that is inevitable.

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shellpc

Even artists expect to get paid for their work. Most don't work for free and they can't live on making you feel good for free.

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wobble

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schmitty6633

Sounds like you like TPB?

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mpcrsc562

the internet is just one link in a chain that allows/enables copying and piracy. the world wouldn't be any fun if the cd burner, then dvd burner weren't around, but with the advent of these technologies, copying and piracy have been allowed to prosper. other people who are more adept at programming have reverse engineered copyrighted software to allow bypassing of registration--another link in the chain.

i would bet that everyone who frequents this site believes that if you buy a music cd or a movie dvd, you have the right to archive those particular discs, so do i. i would go so far to say that if you made an "extra" archive copy for your friend, there is nothing too wrong with that either. so what am getting to? as long as there is a way to copy a disc or reverse engineer software, some enterprising individual will do it--and that will never be stopped. and, as long as there is an internet there will be a way to disseminate that copied or pirated content. lastly, i don't know much about copyrights, but what little info i have read about the subject i feel needs to be changed. it's cool for someone to protect their intellectual properties but a lot of the ways in effect to protect said properties seem a little too heavy handed in their delivery.

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I Jedi

You can't kill "piracy". It is impossible... Like the article said, when one falls, another takes its place... Same will be true for TPB. Another will eventually take over, find some way to stay out of the fryer, and end up becoming the next Pirate Bay.

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sgtgregg

I got to be honest, I don't know a lot about "bittorrents" and the laws governing countries that host websites like "TPB" and others but, what about a website or torrent site that is hosted in countries where copyright laws are weak to nonexistant, such as (and not stereotyping) most middle eastern countries; ie, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt... etc...? I can tell you through my experience when I "worked' there I could get any movie I wanted on DVD. These movies were sold on the open market in plain sight of authority there.

So if this is allowed, how can the hosting of these sites be stopped in these countries? But like a user mentioned below, when one site goes down, dozens more will pop up to replace it.

Kazaa and Napster were shutdown, but look what that brought on; sites like "TPB" and "Isohunt"; and when those are shutdown, what's next??? I have my suspicions. Technology is ever growing....

Thanks,

Sarge!

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KaylaKaze

If TPB and 2600 (see the DeCSS case) can be prosecuted for linking to "illegal" materials, why shouldn't Google?

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FrancesTheMute

cuz Google actually has the money to put up one hell of a fight.

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schmitty6633

Yup! Google actualy has money unlike tpb

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ogremustcrush

Two words... trackerless torrents.

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MAXPCreader07

Just go to Google and search for "type:torrent keyword". Basically the same as doing a TPB search.

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Keith E. Whisman

Um www.thepiratebay.org is not down yet. And I think it will probably go down for a few days. Maybe a week but it'll be back up because other people will simply take the torch that is the website and put it up on different servers. Just look at www.Demonoid.com it was closed down by the RIAA and MPAA and it's back up and running just as great as it used to be.

Heck remember torrentit.com well it's back up and running under a different name.

Besides I don't think the guys are going to jail because I think their appeal is going to work partially. I think they will dismiss the jail time. 

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GreenTurtle

like it or not, as long as the internet is around and people willing to share (pirate) software, music, movies ect.... there is no way to stop it.

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LordPyro

As long as countries and industries continue to prosecute and send website owners to jail with major fines for hosting sites that allow copyrighted material download. It will stop eventually.

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I Jedi

No,  it won't... We're in the techonolgy age where hackers, scammers, and the likes are always coming up with new and innovative ways to get past the government and corporations... You just can't entirely stop it. 

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schmitty6633

You may not stop it but it will slow it down dramatiacally

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Tim920810124

 

Tracking down internet sites that allow piracy and
attempting to prosecute will never work. How well was prohibition
working in the 1930's? Did anyone actually stop drinking? The best way
to combat piracy is to eliminate copy protection. This eliminates the
people who consider piracy as a challenge from the equation, as well as
makes more people regain their moral fibre. That is the closest you can
ever get to the end of piracy (though the end of piracy will obviously
never actually come).

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XcharlieMANSON

The Pirate Bay will probably not close. If the admins go to jail, their friends or someone will maintain the site for the time being. It won't close. This lawsuit will do nothing besides bring file sharing to the public eye and more people may get interested in it. They're are simply massive amounts of trackers, public and private. 

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LordPyro

The best thing would be to chop off the hands of those pirating - that would put a stop to it

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schmitty6633

I like that idea.  If not that throw the scumbags in jail

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Tim920810124

How do you sleep at night? What do you gain by limiting the freedoms of others? How do you gain anything by paying your inefficient government to house these guys in prison cells? If you support socialism, please go to China where everyone feels the same as you. Don't try to make America's government more oppressive. Bastard...

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schmitty6633

I agree

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periodhyphenund...

I'd Love to see you try chopping off Bill Gates Hands and the hands of all those people profitting from Microsoft's theft of Intellectual property.

 

Seriously, Level the playing field or STFU! 

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schmitty6633

Why dont you stfu?

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periodhyphenund...

Because I'm right!

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I Jedi

Unforunately we live in a civilzed society where we don't believe in such acts.

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schmitty6633

haha im jusst kiiding.. at least throw them in jail

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hades_2100

If that comes to pass, I'm sure we'll see you there.

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