Wikileaks "Under Heavy Attack," Seeks Shelter in Unix Community

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spentnickles

Every government and every person has secrets...  Some of the information contained in those secrets should be know and some of it should not - but who get's to determine that???  I'll give you a hint - the owner of that material.  Would it be wise if Iran told us where their nuclear facilities were located??  Would it be wise if we told Syria how to make a nuclear bomb??  If you answer yes, you're an idiot or you don't understand what the ramifications of NOT keeping secrets can mean...  

Is it justified if a soldier dies to protect you arrogant idiots because of your "freedom of speech" ideas that say "information should be publicly known"?  if so, who are you and what gives you those rights?  America is free only because there are those willing to die for YOU, because there are those out there who feel compelled to stand up and fight for something against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC to protect your ass, so you can sleep sound at night...  Try living in S. Korea, on the border and see how you like it...  Anyway, since the US is "at war" how about we try these people, who are endangering our countrymen, for treason!  

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usucdik

More raging conservative sentiment. If people in power are doing heinous shit, then the general public should be informed. If this puts anyone in harm, then is it the fault of the general public? You'd be delusional to say anyone is at fault other then the person that did the heinous shit.

For instance, let's say that George W. Bush lied about evidence that led to war. Yeah, really out there stuff. Should it be kept a secret? Why would you support following a country that lies to people and has inept leaders causing you to be at war status and accepting young recruits that don't know they signed up just to police the world and defend the interests of international corporations?

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dracx619

this is what ive been primarily thinking and what i was trying to say earlier. 

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evolution76

This is what happens when you talk bad about america, the gov, will shut anyone down, DO NOT KILL THE MESSAGER, But who every is doing it.   The USA needs to tighting up it's computers(hell up date your computers, i bet they still use windows 95....heheh).  Blame the US for not keeping there shit locked he hell down.   Hell TrueCrypt is free and it locks down your pc real good.   All Wikileaks is doing is air there dirty laundry.  Is anyone really getting hurt.  The USA is still doing it samething "policing the world."

 

P.S. 

Good thing this did not happen in the C&C World, Kane would have squash anyone that talked smack about him............hhehhe

 

Define reality... mine or yours?”

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d3v

Why would anyone help wikileaks and invite attacks on their own server? Wikileaks should instead seek help from bittorrent users. Decentralized p2p networks are the answer.

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Danthrax66

So I guess in a government for the people by the people in which the people are the elected officials it isn't ok for anyone that isn't a wealthy politician to know the activities of our diplomats? Because I certainly would like to know what the diplomats, and military officials are doing since they control a vast amount of power and aren't elected democratically like they should be. If you want to be in a country where truth is a crime then move to China I'm sure you'll love the forced love of the government and the lack of personal liberties. Me, I prefer my government open.

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ifailatliving

half you idiots can't even spell

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scabbynacker

Wikileaks is hosted outside the United States and Asange is not a US citizen.  These terrible things he released are all things everyone knew already--some leaders are dicks, some like to talk a big game, etc. etc.  This is only a big deal because the news is making it a big deal.  The more venemous attacks against him get, the more followers he will get to help him.  He thinks he's some kind of robin hood because he released all these diplomatic cables--he literally thinks them being leaked is going to somehow change the world.  It will change nothing--he's merely a narcassist whose narcassism is being confirmed with all this attention he's getting.

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Danthrax66

It is clear to me that you haven't looked at any of the cables. Not only do they show that Rumsfeld lied to America on conditions in Iraq but also that we aided in atrocities there, and also killed 21 children in Yemen. Honestly they have only leaked 1000 of the 250,000 cables and if you want the truth about what the cables hold don't listen to any of the mainstream media in this country.

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d3v

So business as usual then?

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Keith E. Whisman

Nobody help these commies, they want our down fall. Remember the slogan loose lips sink ships. If I had it my way I would hang this guy for espionage and confiscate all property belonging to him and Wikileaks. This isn't political either. I'm a Republican, you'll never ever hear a Republican threaten to leave his country just because some liberal is elected president like you do hear Democrats. This is all about wanting to maintain the security of my country and making sure my family is safe. Think of me as the Grizzly bear that wont think twice about killing anything near her cubs. That's me. I'll kill any threat to my family. Wikileaks is threatening that security and must be stopped. Democrats, how about you guys show some patriotism for once and support me on this. 

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roninnder

You must hate Sarah Palin then, she shoots grizzlies from helicopters with sniper rifles.

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emtownsend

I say let Wikileaks fry.

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excellentjim

What so many people missed in all the reporting, is that Wikileaks has been, and continues to release Classified information.  The last of which was Classified SECRET.  That's a Very Serious breach of the law and would include a LIFE sentence if convicted.  I don’t understand how any of you could even consider what they’ve done as acceptable.  They’ve defied the law and put our own people in danger.  That’s Treason, plain and simple, and we should Never give a pass to someone who commits Treason.  Trying to hide behind Free Speech just doesn’t work here.  If they know the information is Classified (and it was clearly marked as such on every page) then they know the consequences of it’s release.

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usucdik

What does it matter? They can try to keep it a secret all they like, but once it gets out then it is fair game. Why try to keep a secret that is already out? That just looks stupid. Unless the leak directly reveals information that could kill a person, it doesn't matter who thinks it should be a secret and it is now at their discretion.

By the way, it is a pretty ignorant position to assume that the chain of command is the end of the line for how things ought to be. Numerous times have so-called "classified" info been labeled so just to brush some dirt under the rug. The supreme court has rules plenty of times that info be declassified because there was no good reason to keep it under wraps.

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roninnder

Since Assange is not a US citizen, it is impossible for him to commit treason against the US. Judging by the way you capitalize words randomly, I'm willing to bet English is not your first language.

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carage

So in other words that makes him open season for CIA to do something about him.

 

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AndyYankee17

life sentence? try the rest of his life in front of a military firing squad.

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Keith E. Whisman

Wikileaks is a foreign entity that has and is committing espionage on our country, they are releasing top secrete information and details that can and is undermining US foreign policy and putting Men and Women in danger. They are all undermining the US ability to negotiate trade and even peace with other countries that can lead to violence that would not have happened had Wikileaks not embraced espionage. These guys are Spies. Every country on the planet executes spies especially successful spies. If Russia had sentenced a captured spy to death I doubt anyone would cry foul. In fact, when the Taliban or other terrorist organisation beheads a prisoner, nobody protests the terrorists, but a few pictures of naked terrorists with a female GI and the world just comes unglued. Hmmmm... I'd rather be naked then murdered. So if you think a firing squad is just too harsh, why not ask what your government would do to protect you and your family.

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carage

Thank you for showing a light on reality, which probably everyone knows at heart, but just not willing to admit.  States need to engage in some unspeakable things to protect the general population from harm.

Some of the liberal folks aren't naive, they just don't want to admit that the world is not in fairy land. 

Seriously, who cares about some kid dying in Yemen? 

I think when the politicians got the report, the first response is probably and rightfully "So?"

Then the next thing that comes to mind is the stupid media and their stupid sensibilities, so "Coverup?"

 

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roninnder

So in your patriotic "republican" "ex-military" opinion the US should strive to be more like Russia? Or maybe we should emulate the taliban, and behead our prisoners as you seem to be suggesting.

Judging by your poor grammar and spelling I'd be willing to bet your military experience took you up to the lofty ranks of "E-3."

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Keith E. Whisman

OK, I'm sure I misspelled something, I just can't find it. Perhaps you can correct my grammar and spelling. Remember however, I'm an American and American English grammar and spelling is a little different from the UK and Maybe a little bit of Canada.

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Scootiep

What's wrong with dead men's bones? They make great toothpicks and chew toys for my dog!

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armyguy298

It would be interesting to see some smart programmers put together a distributed computing program similar to SETI@home, or Folding@home to crack the AES 256 encryption on the supposed "insurance" file floating around out there.

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Biceps

It is interesting to note that all these shut-downs, all these warrants, all these confiscations, did not happen until Assange said he was going to release the information about the Bank of America.  He has yet to do so, and this is all the shady people involved trying to put pressure on him to prevent him from releasing information about what happened at the Bank of America - what are they so scared of? 

We are talking about national figures from all over the world who had access to trillions of taxpayer dollars, and Assange found something that is very very embarassing and possibly incriminating to those figures. They absolutely do not want that information released, and what they are doing now is evidence of that. Watch for it, because when that information comes out, then the government-run DOS attacks are going to start in earnest.

Open your eyes, sheeple. baa baa.

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mj196410

The fact that he can't distribute the materials via the internet in no way stops him from releasing them to a news organization.  If he really had dirt on BOA plenty of news organizations would love to have that exclusive.  Conspiracy theorists of the world unite!!

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Biceps

Who the hell are you?  I see that you just joined up with MaximumPC.com to comment on my post.  That tells me that I touched a nerve.  Who are you? Who do you work for? Who paid you to post the above? If my comment was spot-on enough to get you to sign up and response with a falsely off-hand and glib comment like the one above, I must be on the right track!

Based on the info that I've read from Wikileaks, conspiracies seem to be a pretty healthy bet right now. :)

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AndyYankee17

keep in mind that hosting for wikileaks could be considered giving aid and comfort to an enemy. The founder could already be held accountable for treason. these are serious laws, much, much more serious than copyright infringement and is a line not worth crossing.

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Keith E. Whisman

Can't be tried for treason, he isn't a US citizen, he is a citizen of Australia and the website was based out of Europe so there are very few ties if any with the US. He can be and I think that he should be charged with espionage with extreme malice, to knowingly attempt to damage and interfere with US foreign policy and defense. He should be tried as a spy and executed. Wikileaks should be treated as a terrorist organisation and confiscated and eradicated, all members of the wikileaks organisation should be investigated and charged based on their complicity.

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AndyYankee17

wasn't there one guy in the US army they thought leaked somethings?

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Neufeldt2002

Yes, it was a private, he is being held in isolation. I believe they are going to be charging him with treason.

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TommM

Seriously, if the WikiLeaks founder thought he could do this with immunity, he's being quite naive.  This time it wasn't just U.S. documents, but from Embassy's all around the world.  He's got everyone pissed at him now.

I think government's should be as transparent as possible.  But when it comes to the world of politics, some discretion is required.

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miked6875

Looks like we have some patriotic hackers out there.

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pastorbob

If Wikileaks is driven totally out of existence it will be no great loss for the world. Those disillusioned people who see them as a vioce for free speech and returning power to the people need to get their heads out of the dark recesses of their anatomies.

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chipmunkofdoom2

I think you're totally missing the point of Wikileaks. There is no doubt that what they do is walking a very thin line between legal and illegal, sometimes sidestepping into the illegal side, but is what they're doing morally wrong? I don't think so.

Good luck getting on Wikileaks now, but check out the Wikileaks article on Wikipedia. The stuff they're leaking isn't to give "power to the people" or to promote "free speech", they are leaking information that proves government officials or people who are supposed to be morally accountable and do the right thing outright lied.

If someone was dishonest and lied about doing something immoral and proof is out there that they lied and it actually did happen, let it be leaked. I'm tired of governments around the world lying through their teeth about being bottom feeding scumbags and not getting popped for it because there are laws in place deeming that information "classified" or "vital to national security".

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dracx619

im not 100% aware of many of the types of leaks that wikileaks has dished out, but from my point of view, they did do wrong in leaking some of the stuff they did. i agree with politicians being held accountable, transparency in govt, freedom of speech, and such. but there really has to be a line when it comes to "free speech." if these leaks cause there to be some sort of crazy fallout between nations and lets say (im exaggerating a bit here) wars break out because of the damaging nature of what has been revealed through these leaks, then what good was it this decision to exercise "free speech?"

i almost see this situation like the friend you have who may have some annoying quirks that you talk smack about to another friend. you don't tell your friend about it cause you don't want to hurt their feelings, the friendship is beneficial to you, or whatever. so here comes blabbermouth friend b and tells friend a what you say about him...well, there's an unnecessary strain there now that you have to patch up. in many cases, some friendships don't recover.

so some things definitely need to be revealed to keep these people honest, but thousands upon thousands of leaked info? that's just irresponsible.

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JoonatanO

"lets say (im exaggerating a bit here) wars break out because of the damaging nature of what has been revealed through these leaks, then what good was it this decision to exercise "free speech?""

 

If that happened, I'd blame the governments for starting the war, after all, it was them who pulled the trigger. 

 

"i almost see this situation like the friend you have who may have some annoying quirks that you talk smack about to another friend. you don't tell your friend about it cause you don't want to hurt their feelings, the friendship is beneficial to you, or whatever. so here comes blabbermouth friend b and tells friend a what you say about him...well, there's an unnecessary strain there now that you have to patch up. in many cases, some friendships don't recover."

 

Good riddance, if you talk smack behind his back, I doubt he was a real friend.

 

"so some things definitely need to be revealed to keep these people honest, but thousands upon thousands of leaked info? that's just irresponsible."

 

If you keep anything, even the smallest truth secret, it's not being honest. If thousands and thousands leaked documents are needed for the truth, then so be it.

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dracx619

but what good is the truth if it has the potential to make life worse in the long run? at times, it feels like its better to be ignorant and blissful, than all knowing and bitter. but i see where you are coming from. we cant all just turn our heads away...its tough, i haven't made up my mind about this since it all began. deciding what should be let known and not for the good of society is also extremely tough. its like, whose to say anyone should have the power to decide that right?

about the friend analogy, im almost 100% certain that everyone has at at least 1 friend or 1 acquaintance (co-worker, etc) where the situation i presented holds true. i find it completely unrealistic to believe that everyone out there is 100% honest with everyone about how they feel about them and their faults. my point is, most of us hold back in order to not offend the other. plus humans have a tendency to blow things out of proportion. i can get into it again, but i  dont think i need to bore you all with another example. 

long story short, perhaps this guy should have been more selective in terms of what he leaked as opposed to lettin it all hang out. but then again, im still not sure, lol...i need a nap, graveyard shift takes a toll...

 

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King Mongo

I don't think what we have here is a "blabbermouth friend saying nasty things" situation.

This is more like a "your friend has a webcam in your bedroom and is offering the video for sale to all your worst enemies" situation.

It's a matter of scale--it'd be difficult for a single person to generate thousands of documents detailing their communiques, but between a couple hundred government agencies, they probably generate thousands of documents every *hour*.

And I don't think of this as a free speech issue, either. It's a "daylight/freedom of information" issue. I personally think we (as citizens) have the right to know what our government is up to. Remember, by the people, for the people. Whatever the USA does, it's doing in *your* name. And given some of the rotten stuff that gets done in secret, I'd like to have this stuff out on the table once in a while. "National security" has become a pretty convenient excuse for "mind your own business or we'll throw you into prison for the rest of your life."

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chipmunkofdoom2

"National security" has become a pretty convenient excuse for "mind your own business or we'll throw you into prison for the rest of your life."

 

+1.

 

Also, this is much more serious than friends talking bad about one another behind each other's backs. These leaks have to do with people getting tortured,  genocide, political killings, and people lying to avoid being associated with it or looking bad. If you're doing something wrong, you deserve to get busted for it. There should be no laws preventing people from getting in trouble if they did something wrong and deserve to get in trouble.

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dracx619

see my above post...

definitely some stuff needs to be out in the open. other stuff like some of the name callings between diplomats and docs that could strain relationships between countries, well im gonna guess those do this country no good right? it may be as simple is trying to decide whats the most important info to release. 

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