Wikileaks Founder Arrested in London

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RagingMercenary

Most of the people here are missing the point in this debate.  First of all, the arrests had nothing to do with anything related to or pertaining to the activities of Wikileaks.  The only controversy in this article is the validity of the charges brought against Assange in regards to the two women he had intimate relations with.

I want to make sure that everyone knows exactly why Wikileaks is, for the most part, immune to both US and international law;  the general consensus is that Wikileaks did not play an active role in extracting or stealing the classified documents that it leaked.  It was merely the publisher of said documents.  In US law, this is protected under the First Amendment as well as under the precedents of New York Times v. U. S., Landmark Communications v. Virginia, and Bartnicki v. Vopper.  In the region of international law, the same protection applies.  So in either legal system, they are not guilty of anything assuming that they did not have a hand in acquiring the information.

That brings us to the issue of where they did get the information from.  These are called sources.  In the case of the Pentagon Papers it was Daniel Ellsberg and in the case of this most recent "document dump" it is alleged to be Pfc. Bradley Manning.  Those are the people who can possibly be charged with "spying" or "espionage" as referenced by others in this line.

But what really worries me in reading many of these comments are the extremes that some people are willing to go, or let others go to, in order to protect the reputation of their country.  I've seen people say that they would condone water-boarding or that they would like to have torn Assange apart (and not in the figurative sense).  What kind of convoluted ethnocentrism is being espoused here?  Are you really saying that you would rather have someone be tortured or killed so that you can keep the sacred image of your country on that pedestal?  If my government was engaging in illegal activities, I would want to know about it!  It seems to me that some Americans will do anything to reassure themselves that their country is the greatest, no matter what evidence points to the contrary.

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Arclite

1. SEX CRIMES: If Julian violated Swedish law for sex crimes he perpetrated there, and he is found guilty, then he needs to pay the penalty.  Period, the end.  Just like anyone else.

 

2. DOCUMENTS: It is NOT a crime in the USA to publish secret documents.  Let me say that again, IT IS NOT A CRIME IN THE USA TO PUBLISH SECRET DOCUMENTS. That's all wikileaks does: publish.  Not hack.  Not steal.  Publish.  Just like a newspaper.  If wikileaks violated any law, then every single newspaper and news org in the USA that published the Iraq docs, the Afghan docs, the diplomatic cables, the Pentagon papers, or showed the Apache video must also be prosecuted under the same law as they all did the same thing.  However, no such law exists.  In fact, there is a law that explicitly protects such activity: the First Amendment of the US Constitution:  Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; This law also happens to be the highest law in the land and any first year judge find in favor of the plantiff in any such case.

You may not agree that such documents should be published.  You can say so, that's your right.  You can even say he should go to jail or be shot.  That's your right.  But when you say such things, you are showing yourself to be ignorant of the laws of this country, and you disrespect the principles on which it was founded and for which our countrymen died.

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usucdik

But... they aren't in the US. So fuck 'em! Yeah! Now I'm gonna go drink beer and shoot a gun into the air!

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EthicSlave

If you have done any research on the topic you would automaticaly assume the guys innocence

As from what I have researched (minor law technicalities), he was charged becuase he did not use protection. Apparently the 2 females got togethor and decided to file against (said persons) jointly, after 1 of them had already been dismissed once in court.

That being said, if he violated a law by doing so. (and this is the big part of it) Did the 2 women allow him to not use protection or did he refuse to do so. This is the stipulation of most of these charges.

I wont even go into the to parts where they had further friendly contact with their so called rapist after said rape... (holding a party in the guys honor after he raped you?)

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EthicSlave

Pertaining American Rights

"Boy everyone in this country is running around yammering about their fucking rights. “I have a right, you have no right, we have a right.”

Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but… there’s no such thing as rights. They’re imaginary. We made ‘em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, shit like that. Rights are an idea. They’re just imaginary. They’re a cute idea. Cute. But that’s all. Cute…and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, “where do they come from?” People say, “They come from God. They’re God given rights.” Awww fuck, here we go again…here we go again.

The God excuse, the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument, “It came from God.” Anything we can’t describe must have come from God. Personally folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would’ve given you the right for some food every day, and he would’ve given you the right to a roof over your head. GOD would’ve been looking out for ya. You know that.

He wouldn’t have been worried making sure you have a gun so you can get drunk on Sunday night and kill your girlfriend’s parents.

But let’s say it’s true. Let’s say that God gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights?

The Bill of Rights of this country has 10 stipulations. OK…10 rights. And apparently God was doing sloppy work that week, because we’ve had to ammend the bill of rights an additional 17 times. So God forgot a couple of things, like…SLAVERY. Just fuckin’ slipped his mind.

But let’s say…let’s say God gave us the original 10. He gave the british 13. The british Bill of Rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29, the Belgians have 25, the Sweedish have only 6, and some people in the world have no rights at all. What kind of a fuckin’ god damn god given deal is that!?…NO RIGHTS AT ALL!? Why would God give different people in different countries a different numbers of different rights? Boredom? Amusement? Bad arithmetic? Do we find out at long last after all this time that God is weak in math skills? Doesn’t sound like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning . Sounds more like one group trying to control another group. In other words…business as usual in America.

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you’re at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, “Japanese-Americans 1942″ and you’ll find out all about your precious fucking rights. Alright. You know about it.

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That’s all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was…right this way! Into the internment camps.

Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most…their government took them away. and rights aren’t rights if someone can take em away. They’re priveledges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY priviledges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get’s shorter, and shorter, and shorter.

Yeup, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn’t give a fuck about them. the government doesn’t care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn’t give a fuck about you. It’s interested in it’s own power. That’s the only thing…keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.

Personally when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all."              

                                                        -            George Carlin 1937 - 2008

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Carlidan

He so makes so much sense. LOL. Nice post

 

[reason for edit] added much

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Danthrax66

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/dont-shoot-messenger-for-revealing-uncomfortable-truths/story-fn775xjq-1225967241332

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iGqenG8-Ggin8X3dEUGTQrKlzUbw?docId=CNG.ff6b0ef1de475368ff6b8fbd3707651b.4e1

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20101130_pirate_bay_cofounder_goes_public_with_alternate_p2p_based_dns/

Things we should know:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733153,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

http://torrentfreak.com/wikileaks-cable-shows-us-involvement-in-swedish-anti-piracy-efforts-101207/

HOLY SHIT I AGREE WITH GLEN BECK ON ONE THING AND ONLY ONE THING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQUYfSo1i2E&feature=player_embedded#!

http://wireupdate.com/wires/13032/report-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-will-be-named-time-person-of-the-year/

Oh and how about the irony of this http://i.imgur.com/TxXML.png

 

Only 1000 of the 250,000 are currently released. YOU CAN'T STOP IT EVEN IF HE DIES

http://wikileaks.razor1911.com/

http://wi.kileaks.org/

http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/releases/2010/dec/5/pirate-parties-mirror-wikileaks-support-whistleblo/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/4chan-rushes-to-wikileaks-defense-forces-swiss-banking-site-offline.ars

The Internet has spoken Wikileaks shall remain and Julian Assange shall be heralded as a hero.

 

 

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Kelly M

What? No incriminating evidence against Israel? Guess they're the good guys, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/13/mohammed-abdullah-gul-a-retrospective-analysis-of-the-wikileaks-crisis/

http://www.projectworldawareness.com/2010/08/something-stinks-about-wikileaks-i-agree-have-felt-so-for-a-long-time/

 

 

 

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Cooketh

Transparency in government is good, but certain information has to stay classified until a certain time. Put this guy in jail.

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Danthrax66

What information? These people aren't Dictators they are citizens like you and I the idea that because they got elected means that for some reason what they do around the world as a representation of us should be kept secret is bullshit. Also the crime he is wanted for in Sweden has a maximum fine of $750.

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Keith E. Whisman

Your a dumbass. You really think we would last very long without national security and secrecy? How do you think trade works? Do you think national security should be open for all to see? Have you ever played poker? You don't tell your opponents what's in your hand. Damn your a dumn ass. 

Your a member of the rebel alliance and a traitor take him away!

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Danthrax66

Yeah I'm a dumbass and you are the one falling for the lies that the cables somehow hurt our diplomacy. The cables hurt our corrupt politicians they aren't hurting our trade or our country as a whole it is hurting the corrupt fucks that are in charge and that need to leave or have already left it is exposing untold numbers of crimes committed by or covered up by the U.S. government so you can got to hell if you think this hurts us as a country. You fucking idiot, wake up this information is coming out and nothing you say can stop it, and as a matter of fact Assange didn;t steal the information he published it just like the NY Times and the Guardian.

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Carlidan

Enough said. Just because we apologize for wrong doings does not make us weak. It makes us stronger because we can then understand that we must learn for our mistakes and acknowlege them. 

 

P.S. If you think Julian should be shot for treason. Then Scooter Libby should be shot for treason too. What fair is fair. He outed an active CIA agent. He shouldn't have gotten a trial nor his sentence commuted but the President. He should have been shot where he stood. 

 

 

And liberals do thank all veterans for their service but that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything you say. 

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EA18Growler

I really don't understand why Americans are such hypocrites...And the worst is that they think in their own stupid little minds that they will get away with it...

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Cache

I might consider it a smear campaign, but the charges are from women in Sweden.  Given that 95% of Americans probably couldn't find Sweden on a map, I tend to discount that it is a smear.

The fact that he has a 'doomsday' file that he will release 'if anything happens to him' pretty much makes him no better than a terrorist in my book.  A crook is a crook--and this guy is just out for his own lulz.

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Keith E. Whisman

I can! I can! Isn't Sweden somewhere near France and Germany?

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Danthrax66

The crime he is convicted of is sex without a condom not rape it is some weird ass swedish law. Not an international law Interpol shouldn't have been involved.

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Derek Fredette

I'd not call this dude a terrorist, nor would I think that the charges against him are legit, but I agree that he's just another bum if he has some suspicious files only to be released in the worst case.  For him to make such a threat that he has it and to have conditions for the release of it, in my opinion, simply undercuts the credibility of his wikileaks effort.  If he respected his own ideals, all the information he has should be automaticlly released irrespective of his own interest - that is if he were acting from the moral high ground.

Who knows in the end?  Dunno.

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Keith E. Whisman

If they were to extradite him, what can we expect from the weakest administration since Carter? A slap on the wrist maybe. Remember liberals believe that the US is the bad guy, that is why Obama went around the world apologizing for US policy. Obama is pretty close to the same mentality as this Assange character. Although I would like to tear this guy apart and let him die agonizingly slow, the liberals are pretty much siding with this guy. Notice how the liberal news media pretty much refuses to call this guy a criminal. I'd bet that Obama will make sure this dude doesn't do anymore time then say 3years at the most if he is even extradited. Remember how liberals work. The USS Cole was attacked and Osama claimed responsibility, he also claimed responsibility for the first World Trade Center bombing as well and when Clinton had the chance to extradite Osama Bin Laden, Bill Clinton refused. Bill Clinton, A Liberal, believed in Osama Bin Ladens' work. As a liberal Bill Clinton, like Obama, knows that the US is evil and somehow at fault. That is why they (the liberals) are so quick the leave the country if a Republican is elected. There simply is no patriotism. In fact liberals believe patriotism for America is evil, yet they support the patriotism of our enemies. The liberals hate Christianity and Judaism and bar it from schools and all aspects of public life but when it comes to Islam, the religion of our current enemies, well it's welcome everywhere, hell they built prayer centers at the airports around the countries. 

So no, I don't think anything will be done to this guy if he were extradited. Obama, how about you prove me wrong.

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Cruzg10

** HUG **

Just let it happen man. let it happen

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Cruzg10

** HUG **

Just let it happen man. let it happen

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Carlidan

I'm a liberal and you don't see me siding with him. But I do believe in rule of law. Which means I believe he should be tried in court. Stop watching Beck or hear Rush on A.M. radio because I think it has fried your brain. P.S. They are also "mainstream" media. They are just far right. But you do have one thing right, I do hate Christianity, but I just hate religion period. And also I love my country and liberals also love our country too. Making stupid statements like that doesn't make it true. Just because one person says it doesn't mean every liberal believes it too. It's like not all republicans believe our president is a terroriost or is a muslim. 

And could you tell me where Islam is welcomed. I see the opposite. I see protest after protest against building a mosque. 

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austin43

I stopped reading where you tried to call someone an idiot while misusing "your" as "you're".  Gotta love those unionized public schools eh?

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Carlidan

Just to tell you  austin, most of the best schools we have in our country are public schools. And why do you have problems with unions?

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Carlidan

You remind me of clan mate I know who would also correct my grammar. Sigh. Wherever I go, someone has to correct my grammar!

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Pokedex1010

This is the internet, on a website, in the comments of an article. NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT GRAMMER AND SPELLING....

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Supfresh

people like you don't belong on the internet. Did you understand what he wrote? o you did? then stfu.  just because you can't think of anything intelligent to say, doesn't mean nitpicking between the use of "your" and "you're", "their" and "there" etc, is a suitable replacement.

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