Valve Hedging Bets on Linux to Avoid Windows 8 "Catastrophe"

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Belboz99

Microsoft has a long history of competing for the sake of competing, and this takes the cake...

We now see Microsoft throwing their Office on the Cloud to compete against Google Documents, their Games on the Xbox to compete against Sony, their resources were spread too thin to make Zune successful in competing against the iPod, or Azure in competing against Amazon's service, or the Windows Mobile against the likes of Android or iOS.

So, they've now gutted every core reason to use Windows, namely games and office in favor of competing with companies that weren't really in direct competition with them to begin with.

They're making drastic changes to the Windows logo, the user interface in an attempt to compete against other mobile OSes, at a time when Apple and Google are gaining ground fast.

What the frak is MS thinking? Can they really be this ignorant of the situation at hand?

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Ghostryderflyby

Windows 7 is going to be the new Windows XP thanks to Win 8. That disaster of an OS (Win 8) is going to make Win Vista and Win ME look like stellar bits of software me thinks. I too will be clinging to Win 7 until MS pulls their collective heads out and dispenses with the navigational and graphical nightmare that is Win 8.

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bensen408

Sticking with Windows7 thank you very much.

Windows 8... no way and no how!

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pratikrawankar

Love u Linux ___and hope we get most of the famous games on Linux-Steam

Windows 8 ___nono no
Its Vista 2012 or Vista Rebirth

bloody metro sucks no multi-tasking

Windows 8 is already been dead

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JP

More like Millenium.

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John Pombrio

Who was complaining about NVidia drivers for Linux? I bet AMD drivers will also be problematic. No Windows is still THE gaming Operating system.
Besides, Win7 isn't that bad and its not going away any time soon...
Me, I actually LIKE Win8 desktop and just completely ignore Metro.

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bpstone

Windows is indeed the most viable operating system for serious gaming right now. Hopefully that will change in due time. ;)

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pratikrawankar

+1 +infinty

thats the same thing is here with me

and when I install windows 8 to my about 15+ & ISO gave to many friends __but next time when I met them I saw they all completely kill windows 8
& they back to windows 7 and say we done Upgrade !!!!!!!!!!!

Windows 7 currently Best for Gaming at full throttle ___Its my Gaming OS

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maxeeemum

That's pretty interesting! You installed Windows 8 on 15 plus friends PCs and they ALL deleted it.

M$ what does that tell you! Did you take "Statistics" in college. Not looking good! LOL!

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bpstone

Windows fanboys can be even worse than those from the Apple bandwagon. They love to piss and moan over something they likely have no idea how to use. There are several distributions with the Linux kernel to choose from. Flavors like Ubuntu have made it more popular among general consumers desiring to use something else besides a Windows based platform. For those who often jump into terminal could instead choose one like Arch. Nobody is telling you to use an alternative operating system. It is entirely up to you whether you do or not. It is high time Microsoft be knocked off the high horse so some competition can into the picture. While this may not happen over night, it is bound to occur at some point. If developers were to begin giving me native support for most of their titles, I would gladly kick Windows to the curb.

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kuebel33

No fanboy, I mean NO fanboy is worse than those of the cult of Apple.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

And your seething, blind hatred of an American tech company is any better how?

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livebriand

The sooner Linux becomes a viable alternative to Windows, the better. Microsoft just needs to realize that metro sucks and is unwanted, and suck it up. I, for one, won't be upgrading to Windows 8.

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livebriand

The sooner Linux becomes a viable alternative to Windows, the better. Microsoft just needs to realize that metro sucks and is unwanted, and suck it up. I, for one, won't be upgrading to Windows 8.

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bootz

In a world where large businesses are retaining their XP licenses and moving them onto new hardware and where users have difficulty navigating XP, the execrable OSX and have no idea how to even use Ipads beyond touching icons the learning curve for Win 8,with no reward for its mastery, will have Costco suing Microsoft over all the returned computers they will have to get rid of. I have never seen a corporation marching toward disaster like Microsoft is with Windows 8.

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maxeeemum

I completely agree with Gabe Newell that Win8 will be a catastrophe. It will hurt the PC desktop/laptop market. I think you will see people returning PCs because they don't work. It won't even be a big seller in the tablet market either.

Windows 8 will go down in history as one of the most moronic moves M$ has ever pulled. It will hurt their reputation and could trigger the eventual downfall of M$. Ballmer will be fired unless W8 is intended to spur Win7 sales.

I'm sure Windows 9 is in the works already and will be released before April 2014. Does that date look familiar.

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ohsnaps1104

The reason companies haven't made many programs such as this for Linux is because NOBODY cares. Problems that keep Linux from becoming a standard Desktop OS:

1) No unified program installer. Some programs install on some distros but not on others or require painstaking recompiling. Not fun. This seems like it would be a headache to try to mass produce programs for.

2) Antiquated System Support. Linux system driver support is very slow and weak, new systems typically have to wait six months or more for any kind of driver support.

3) Serious System Instability. I have had program installs or even system updates obliterate a perfectly good Linux installation.

I love the idea of Linux and I love the power it gives me, but I'm afraid no company will take Linux seriously as a Computer OS in any manner unless these things are met head-on.

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USraging

May i remind you of what platform 95% of web servers are hosted on....

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pratikrawankar

+1 95% webserver are on Linux

Love Linux

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ohsnaps1104

I realize this is true, but web severs are not the average PC market either. Most people have no use of setting up their own web server.

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Happy

Linux is not popular because of its problems but Linux has problems because its not popular. It's a vicious cycle. But if Linux were to become popular then all these problems would quickly vanish, I guarantee it. Money tends to follow attention and when Linux is getting all the attention then the money and the necessary improvements that require it will come.

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loozer

I think he should switch his direction, turn add non-game programs to steam, convince OEMs to preinstall steam on new computers, then totally rape the windows store with overpowering steam awesomeness.

Don't run from the changes in windows 8, counter, then destroy them.

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whathuhitwasntme

I think the biggest reason they fear windows 8, is the HIGH PRICE
Since M$ has made its intention to enter the tablet market next year, and every other manufacturer having to absorb a 90 dollar charge in excess of the price of components, its a no brainer. They need an os that will not force them out of the market due to price.

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Happy

+1

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TechGoudy

I highly doubt people are going to move to Linux just because the Windows 8 "sucks".

If that were the case, when Vista was released why did we not see users flock to Linux and MacOS?

Even though we may not like the changes that Microsoft has made that doesn't stop the fact that people will have to learn to use it at some point. Windows 8 really isn't that bad, it caters to certain groups and to others....well they hate it. I mean granted I still use Windows 7 and will continue using it until I see that it is no longer convenient for me to use.

I personally believe that Windows 7 will become the brand new Windows XP, before users switch to Linux and MacOS.

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RaptorJohnson

I see a lot of similarities in the changes made to Win8 and Gnome3.

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whr4usa

that shouldn't be surprising considering how much influence Microsoft has with various organization maintaining standards across platforms and how much code they contribute indirectly to various open-source projects including many integrated in linux distros

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xRadeon

Steam runs fine on my Windows 8 install...
You know, and the only difference really is the start menu, its just more touch friendly, its not much different than that its still mostly Windows 7.

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hastyscorpion

The point is not that Steam will not run on Windows 8.

They are hedging with Linux because they want to make sure that if people start a mass exodus from Windows 8 and go to Linux they will still be able to sell their games.

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fry

Yes, Windows 8 is a mess. No, it will not drive mass adoption of Linux on the desktop. And, no, it's not going to cause OEM's to abandon Microsoft en masse.

Microsoft peddling Microsoft-branded tablets, however, just might.

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silverblack

So... if someone wanted to try Linux for the first time, where would be a good place to start?

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xr1200

Silverblack, take a look a Zorin os 6. It is a linux distro based on Ubuntu. However, it has a "look changer". You can make it look similar to windows 7, mac osx, windows xp. I think it might be an easy way to get comfortable with linux without having to dig into it too much. You can try different linux distros like Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu, etc. by downloading the iso images then burning them to a DVD or CD or a flash drive. Just put the disk or flash drive in your pc and boot to it. You don't have to install it. Good luck and have fun!

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maxeeemum

If you want to try Linux I highly suggest you try Linux Mint. In a nutshell the Mint Menu is very similar to XP. Any new user will be able to figure it out. Plus most likely it will have all the drivers you need.

Mint is a fork of Ubuntu and is referred to by many as "Ubuntu done right". I currently use Mint 9 and if you want more shine like Win7 try Mint 11, 12 or 13. If you are new to Linux go with 9.

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livebriand

Ubuntu is what I've been considering switching to, followed by Mint.

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pcguy94

I would suggest Mint for someone wanting to get started with Linux. It comes with all the codecs necessary for proprietary formats installed in addition to being very easy to set up.

Also, Valve is working on Steam for Linux for Ubuntu at first but it will support all Linux distributions when it is released.

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damicatz

How much time do you have?

Ubuntu and Mint are both very easy distros and if you don't want to spend a lot of time learning about GNU/Linux, they would be good choices since you can do everything through the GUI.

Gentoo is more difficult to install but it has a very well written installation manual and you'll learn a lot about GNU/Linux in the process : http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml

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USraging

The most user friendly distro is ubuntu though i favor fedora. I also believe that valve is designing steam for the intent to be run on ubuntu.

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USraging

The most user friendly distro is ubuntu though i favor fedora. I also believe that valve is designing steam for the intent to be run on ubuntu.

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Cy-Kill

I am going to have to agree with Newell on this, I see Vista2 (aka: Windows 8) as a disaster. Metro should've never been introduced for desktop -- or laptop -- PCs, it should've only been for tablets & cell phones. I have no idea why MS thought it would be a good idea to shove it down desktop user's throats, as well as take away the start menu!

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xRadeon

The start menu is still there, it just looks different.

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Scatter

Really? How do you bring it up?

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TechGoudy

He has a point the start menu is there, unfortunately it is the metro user interface that is the new start menu.

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Cy-Kill

Like I said, there is no start menu, and Metro can go to hell!

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pratikrawankar

+1 metro sucks

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Refuge88

... *Crickets* ...

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Neufeldt2002

Just about every one of my family members are on Windows for the games. And I would be willing to bet that if they could game on Linux they would all switch. However, they would have to be able to play the vast majority of their games on Linux to make it worth while. Saying that I truly hope that Valve can convince other publishers to start porting their back catalog over.

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bpstone

I would imagine at first you would have to use Wine for an occasional title. Not a big deal. So long as most newer titles have native support. You would see that problem slowly phase out as the community expands with more people purchasing games. Theoretically Microsoft might try bribe companies into making a lot of new games exclusive for Windows in an attempt to stop it. That tactic would only work for a little while as demand continues to increase. Max.PC: You need to support what valve is doing instead of sitting idly by to see what happens. By proving that people are interested through their actions, the more companies will be persuaded into porting games over.

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joeyjr

Lets all remember that Gabe use to work for Microsoft but left to persue his gaming pashion on the PC. His team strives to give their customers the very best that they can in all they do. It seems Microsoft is more about controlling market share than the love of PC Gaming. Looking back in time there is plenty of evidence to support these facts. 1).xp 64, Vista DirectX10 and looses 3D sound,W7 DX11 but nut for Vista / net frame , and now talk of no more retal versions of Windows just a few that come to mind. Maybe the PC will become the new XBox and Steam looks like they are already on the ball. thanks!

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whr4usa

Microsoft is a technology business not a gaming company, though they do publish or develop a handful of titles which is why their platforms, services & products continue to do well because unlike other corporations they force their business units to use one another's creations and self-critique their organization as a whole

if any business fails to gain or maintain marketshare, sales, profits, mindshare, revenues et al. then they cease to exist, this doesn't make them wrong, evil or anticonsumer just good businesses catering to uninformed customers

as far as your 'evidence' goes the only reason XP 64 didn't play well with games, puns intended ...was because most games for technical, historical & economical reasons were still using 16-bit engines, libraries, installers or/and other components which obviously can't run on any 64-bit OS without another layer of complexity i.e. WOW32 within WOW64 or some sort of "hosted hypervisor" application
(i.e. Windows Virtual PC on Windows 7)
also the reason XP 64-bit wasn't more widely available was because of a lack of new 64-bit native drivers for critical components as well as a lack of a proper 32-bit or 64-bit pre-boot environment (XP still relied upon DOS) and because many device manufacturers like the game developers wern't writing proper [driver] code to begin with - hence the 4GB physical memory addressing limit being imposed upon the NT VMM in 32-bit Windows for compatability and stability reasons
. . . I'm unsure what's making you cite DirectX10 as a negative..? Vista wasn't even a negative for gaming except we're only just now beginning to see developers embrace the 'baseline' made possible by Vista's enhancements
(i.e. BF3 has no XP support, rightly so & DICE is considering true 64-bit-only Windows games, finally!)
there were several nonstandard or proprietary and third-party audiop pipelines discontinued or blocked by the new driver model in vista or the new multimedia system initially but most of that was laziness on the pat of device manufacturers not provided drivers compatible with the new model
FYI Vista SP2 does have DirectX11 assuming you actually install Windows Updates like you should!
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971644
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=4390
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3274
assuming by "net frame" you're referring to the Microsoft .NET Framework, what do you think it has to do with gaming..?
...and there are still going to be retailed FPP [Fully Packaged Products] for Windows 8, they'll just only be "Upgrade Licenses" instead of also having transferable\standalone licenses which makes it simpler, cheaper, better for everybody, is that really a negative for gaming..?

it wouldn't surprise me if the XBox360 is the last major 'console' out of Microsoft hardware with things like OnLive possible and the XBox Live integration in Windows 8, the VDI/RDS capabilities in WOA\Windows RT and the protability of IE10 amongst many other points

Steam is the Apple of digital distribution . . . I recognize their success, innovation and for forging head bringing digital distribution mainstream even first-class but compared to Good Old Games, Origin & especially StarDock's Impulse platform
(...now GameStop PC App)
there's no comparison from a technical perspective

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captainjack

Just imagine what our world would be like if every single troll comment on the internet was transformed to be as intelligent and in depth as this one above.....I mean

No way dude M$ hates PC gaming. U R an complete idiot for even thinking it. They have xbox so you must be wrong. Dumb idiot

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