Valve Engineer Praises Linux Over Windows for Gaming

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spacemonkiee

Full disclosure, I'm an avid steam user, I own well over 200 titles on the platform. I also own an Xbox, and I find I use them for different types of games, PC for my RPG's and FPS's, Consoles for sports, and fighters.

I guess what really bothers me here is that valve has done a lot of good for pc gaming, setting up a great client and given developers a much less obnoxious way to have effective DRM, But, and this is, a big But,(hehe)It seems to me that Gabe is lashing out, PC gaming hasn't really had a lot of better choices, you've had in store physical purchases, origin which frankly most people hate, GOG which is great but doesn't help you connect with online friends and stardock which was a disaster. The games for windows program was a mess as well with a clunky client and with a overly aggressive inlay. Now you have a built in client Xbox games, which actually has some advantages. Valve has some real competition, O Snap.

So what does Gabe do, He calls windows 8 a disaster, and moves to embrace Linux development. Now I don't have a problem with developing games for Linux I think more choices is always a plus, but the fact that this was the reaction, not to come up with killer features and more innovation, but to blast the platform that enabled his company to succeed, It reeks of kinda a dick move. I think frankly, he's intimidated. He's going to have to compete now, he cant just let all the EA haters do his work for him, people love their Xbox's and that brand affinity is going to give the Xbox games integration a real boost. If Linux was something important to him I don't see why he didn't do this years ago, nah I say.

I would argue that he see's that things are going to get tougher, and now he's using the controversy around W8 to promote a migration, to where? Some place where there isn't ANY real competition. For shame. Seems like Gabe isn't much one for a fight, and if that's his attitude he can shove it. I for one will continue to use my steam account but will actively be buying my games from sites like GOG. I'm disappointed in Valve for this.

On a side note didn't john John Carmack say that porting his games to Linux was a disaster, and as it turns out Linux users don't really like to pay for software... But I suppose that another point and another post.

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MarioJP

Ding ding ding you sir get a 10+ from me. A post that is the real truth of scheme of things and very informative. See this is the sort of thing that Valve rubs me the wrong way. You made a good point about

"If Linux was something important to him I don't see why he didn't do this years ago, nah I say"

My biggest worry is that if the industry starts "embracing Linux" you can kiss high end gaming Goodbye and that saddens me. I love it when companies like crytek pushes the envelope. DirectX is very well entrenched and vastly improved to the point that consoles sweats around it But if the industry goes into a new api because for the sake of "openness". Then that be the day that PC gaming is truly dead and console gamers can truly say "if you want real gaming get a console" The fact that Valve has not released any games with a 3 is what did it for me. Valve has lost its edge and is now giving in to a more casual gaming.

The main reason people upgrade their PC's is for games to keep pushing the next big thing to wow us, such games like BF3 is a prime example and Metro 2033. These 2 games alone smokes any games that Valve puts out. Even if they were to release Source 2 engine. It still pales to anything what crytek and ID puts out because of their mentality. Even stating this

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/john-Carmack-DirectX-OpenGL-API-Doom,12372.html

Gaming companies like these deserve mad respect because they know what they are doing. With that said. I am glad that the Xbox section is on windows 8 store. This will only increase the chances of more games to the PC as their next Xbox is based of Win8 powered by DX, The way games are meant to be played.

I have lost respect for Valve. But its not big of a deal though we still have the big players that will pave way for the next generation gaming. If anything that will get gaming going and right It is Microsoft. People can hate MS all they want but reality speaks that MS has experience in this realm.

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Neo_Bahamut_19

All I can say is that this will be good for Linux. Valve, regardless of whether you hate them or not, will bring light to Linux for new users. Having a huge platform such as Steam will only push its popularity and, as a result, drive more developers to start looking towards it. So I don't understand where all this hatred is coming from that's aimed at Valve. Valve isn't forcing people to move over, they're merely offering up an option for those interested. To be honest, I refuse to switch to Windows 8, so I'll gladly dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu once I have access to the Linux version of Steam. As for the hatred towards Microsoft that I'm seeing... More than justified for obvious and already stated reasons.

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MarioJP

That's a contradicting comment. First you say

"All I can say is that this will be good for Linux. Valve, regardless of whether you hate them or not, will bring light to Linux for new users. Having a huge platform such as Steam will only push its popularity and, as a result, drive more developers to start looking towards it. So "

But then you say

As for the hatred towards Microsoft that I'm seeing... More than justified for obvious and already stated reasons.

You make it sound if Windows 8 is a bad OS. I am sorry but gaming has already been established by the industry. Steam is just one small piece of PC gaming realm. Simply put..Valve is simply Pissed at MS well its time that Valve have some competition. Linux is just bad for gaming. Its either going to turn out just like on the Mac Or consoles would be the only alternative for true gaming if the industry was to switch.

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marasm

Am I mistaken, or is everyone overlooking something important?

I know I read that Valve is porting their own games to Linux for use in Steam, but I have not seen anywhere that they are porting ALL games in the Steam catalog. They can't even do that, can they? Wouldn't it be up to the individual developers of each game to port it over to Linux?

I can't see Valve having the authority (or even the ability) to port every single game ever on Steam over to Linux. First off it would take years, and second it would be insanely expensive.

It's a great idea, and it would even make me switch back over to Linux, but out of the fifty or so games I have in Steam, only three or four are actually Valve software. The rest of my games would not work at all.

Unless I am totally and thoroughly misinformed. And if that is the case, then YAY!

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mhouston100

I don't think it's really the point that Valve themselves will be porting existing games over to Linux, or even the original developers bothering with it. I think the real push is to move developers over to open technologies like OpenGL (as opposed to DirectX) which can be relatively easily ported between operating systems.

If you look at Valve's information, games like LFD2 actually run better on OpenGL than DirectX under Windows.

The fact that Valve is a big name player and could probably offer direction, even tools maybe, to smaller game developers in cross-platform development is a big boon for Linux.

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MarioJP

"If you look at Valve's information, games like LFD2 actually run better on OpenGL than DirectX under Windows."

LFD2 is not what i call a game that pushes to newer height. yet alone hardly sweats on a 4800 GPU series under Directx even with everything maxed out. Secondly Directx 9 is very outdated and has not been updated since the dawn of XP. Better tests would be OpenGL vs DX 10 11 and 11.1" Till then.. This test is flawed.

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DoctorX

rumor is that all the publishers that use the source engine, are being coaxed by Valve to port to Linux since Valve has done the hard part.

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_certifiedgreen...

Fact is Linux has little limits. Better for everything unless the windows team wakes up to the open beat of the vast majority and diversity of cultures. Linux does only what it's told, a lesson from the government and the law. To maintain control of the computer world one must embrace the diverse future, for better or worse. There are many viable answers for the simple tasks we all do the most, but those who don't want to grow themselves in this arena should be, will be, the customers, and windows should definitely run on top of or beside such a good idea- games or raw data sorting.
green out.

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MarioJP

Limits in terms of what??. Quite frankly i don't see any limits that prevents you from doing what you want on your computer on Windows. "Better for everything" my ass. Ubuntu is just fugly. That's like comparing Microsoft Office with Libre Office. No thanks I pass.

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mhouston100

Great idea to judge a productivity suite on how it looks!

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MarioJP

If you think i am judging by looks you're sadly mistaken. Ubuntu does not feel optimized. I did a comparison on my laptop. You would think that a 3GB (Windows 8) ISO size would be sluggish than 750MB IOS(Ubuntu 12.10) yet reality shows that windows 8 runs snappy and metro looks better than ubuntu Granted i can somewhat could careless about the GUI but speed wise win8 is more efficient.

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DoctorX

try kubuntu, or xubuntu, or lubuntu... All of these are better by far than Unity.... with the added benefit that anything written for Ubuntu will work on all of these. Unlike windows, you are not limited to one desktop. Unity is fugly. I personally use Xubuntu and love it.

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MarioJP

To me its all about the core of the OS. Quite frankly I am happy for buying windows 8 pro.

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Corfy

I'm not much of a gamer anymore (never was a big gamer to begin with), but for the last six years or so, any computer game I've played has been within Linux. Mainly I've played SuperTux and Secret Maryo Chronicles (both similar to Super Mario Bros.) and Warmux and Hedgewars (both similar to the Worms series), with occasional forays into LinCity-NG (similar to SimCity). I know, I'm stuck in the 80s and 90s.

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CarryingColoradan

I just found out about the Steam for Linux beta yesterday; made my day!

I've been doing all my gaming on Linux for about ten years now, mostly via Wine (and Cedega for a few years), but also the occasional native Linux port. (Thank you to the producers of Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Prey, and Neverwinter Nights, inter alia.)

I like Steam okay as a platform, although I tend to favor buying a box and having physical media. But if Steam on Linux is what it takes to break the logjam and get the ball rolling on more native Linux ports, I say, game on!

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froggz

I'm not sure if Gabe Newell thought this all the way through. Right now I have over 100 games on STEAM that I purchased for Windows. So what exactly am I suppose to do again? Abandon Windows Platform, to jump on Linux in the hopes that game developers start making games for Linux which could take 3-5 years if not more. In the meantime Windows would be in WIN9, directx12 and my entire game library would continue to be grow further because game developers will continue making games for Windows even if Microsoft decides to screw them all and start charging them 30%.

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DoctorX

also, if you bought a program on windows and there is a windows port, you would not have to buy it again... just like they did with mac port.

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Dartht33bagger

I read on another article that Valve is going to try and get all of their Steam titles ported over to Linux. So in 3-5 years, you may be able to play your entire library on both Windows and Linux platforms.

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BernardBlack

Hey, let's face it, I've used Windows for years, but mostly from within Linux, and in some instances, where I was sharing an OS with the wife on a laptop, ran Linux through Windows...

Linux is by far and away the more efficient OS. Faster, faster and better file system, faster and more efficient memory management and processor management...heck, Linux supports processing cores into the thousands, Windows does not. Linux is light, more secure, and faster. It's the better gaming platform through and through. I'm glad they are finally doing this!

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kissmyass

Praising Linux over Windows my ass! All they are doing is expanding their membership database. More members means more money. Who the fuck are you kidding? Are you as fucking stupid and inane as all your articles or do you have to work at it?

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ApathyCurve

I've actually found Paul to be one of the better writers of PC news, not just here but across all sites. I don't always agree with him, but "stupid and inane"? Not hardly. Back under the bridge with you, foul little troll.

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Paul_Lilly

My name's Paul Lilly, and I approve ApathyCurve's message. (Appreciate it too!)

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kissmyass

isnt that sooooo special, all the little queers are circling their little waggons.

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GreenTurtle

Member all of three days...and so insightful!

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BernardBlack

You don't know very much about anything...just that you are evidently bitter at the world? At least, you weren't thinking about Windows and it's closed environment, nor about Linux and it's open environment...and most definitely not about the development process and what developers would prefer.

When you develop a game, would you prefer to do it under Windows constricted environment, where basically you are told what you can and can't do? Or would you rather develop for an OS that says, "Hey, use our OS the way you see fit, free reign, no confinement, no WHQL certification process etc. etc. etc.? All of this equates to happier developers and better titles." It's only made sense since the beginning of gaming, unfortunately, however, Microsoft has dominated the gaming space, since they have the finance to do so. Most of all Windows and Apple and Android features are based off of Linux and of Linux origin. Linux is based on Unix kernel and Apple is based on the Unix kernel too. Android is Linux.

If Linux isn't any good, then why have OS manufacturers stolen the open source tech for over decades now? It's like having free employees. So no, it's not just down to the dollar sign. They are basically advertising that they are more than willing to leave Windows gaming and focus entirely on Linux, probably, mostly due to conflicting markets and interests between Valve and Microsoft. We've seen this coming for a long time now, Steam is essentially a competitor to Microsoft, hence, why Games for Windows Live was never really a success...leaving the Windows scene would essentially be a huge audience loss for Steam, but if the gaming community migrates over to the free operating system Linux, it won't be long until they migrate over.

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joshnorem

Lighten up Francis.

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Strhopper

do you feel better about yourself now?

Have a bad day at work? couldn't beat on the wife today?

All kidding aside, take it easy! They are just reporting a story, there are plenty of other tech sites for you to choose. just move on

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Shadow Death

I was originally under the impression that only Ubuntu would be allowed at first but when I took the survey for the limited beta one of the questions asked which distro I would use the client on, the answers gave me the option of distros other than Debian based versions such as Fedora. I may just make the switch back to Fedora though. They seem to be making better decisions than Ubuntu recently.

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Dartht33bagger

Ubuntu is just at the start so they can focus on testing the client on one distro. Then they plan to expand out from there.

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DoctorX

exactly... they will be expanding to all of the major distros once they get the bugs worked out of ubuntu

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DoctorX

exactly... they will be expanding to all of the major distros once they get the bugs worked out of ubuntu

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