Used Game Conspiracy Rages On as Next Generation PlayStation "Orbis" Details Emerge

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Arm77do

If it turns out to be really expensive (as they normally do), i might just as well built my own pc that can be upgraded every few years

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Arm77do

If it turns out to be really expensive (as they normally do), i might just as well built my own pc that can be upgraded every few years

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Peanut Fox

Sony's console will likely not be backwards compatible at all. If they are ditching the Cell architecture for an AMD chip. The code base between a PS3 and PS4 would be vastly different. I could see from this point why there wouldn't be backwards compatibility. Like 32bit old Playstation games on new consoles make sense to leave behind. Sony's price barrier was a huge detriment for them in this console generation and backwards compatibility was one of the reasons the box was so expensive.

I don't think used games would be an issue at all. PC gamers haven't been able to take advantage of a used game market in a long time. Gaming is an expensive hobby, but that's only if you've got to have the latest game that just came out today yesterday. Even a few weeks of wait can net you 20 bucks off a new game, and if you wait long enough the think hits the bargain bin for less than 5 bucks. I honestly don't see large advantages to loosing access to a used game market. At least for the way I consume content.

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QuadraQ

I hope these reports prove to be complete BS. Bottom Line: A next generation console from EITHER Sony or Microsoft without backward compatibility for the current generation is in serious trouble. A console without support for used games as well is basically DOA. If Sony does this the Playstation brand is dead.

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Wingzero_x

Couldn't agree more. I think it's just BS, and people playing on people fears.

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Hg Dragon

Easiest solution: *All* games have a digital version as well as a disc for those who want or need the physical copy. Keep the game as "bought" on our account/profile should we need to uninstall it to free up disc space (or back-up/off-load to an external source...).

To save on server resources on their end, they can "retire" older games from the list of active titles available. Then, they can do a Disney and offer them "from our vaults for a limited time only" special every now and then to make them available again.

That will take a good chunk out of the secondary market.

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phroderick

Being a cynical so-and-so, I have to suspect that this rumor originates with Sony to motivate sales of PS3's, which don't have the rumored limitation on use of used games originally installed on someone else's console.

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TechLarry

If this nonsense happens, and I hate to say it, it's time for the Feds to get involved.

This is outright screw-thy-customer thinking, and forcing a monopoly position via technology.

Good lawyers could come up with a dozen ways this is or should be made illegal.

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Kinetic

I doubt this will actually happen, mainly because if the Sony console won't support ANY used copies of games, but the Microsoft or Nintendo consoles will, it gives a MASSIVE advantage to Microsoft or Nintendo.

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chop_slap

The only reason I bought a PS3 is because of Bluray, & I also used $130 worth of points @ the store where I purchased PS3. They're turning into Apple...so, I'll keep upgrading my PC every 4 years for $300-$500 and kick the snot out of these silly, money nom-nom-noming gaming machines.

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PhuxAche

Just read this, and I have 3 simple words to say...

FCUK OFF SONY!

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thematejka

Sony fail if a lot of this true. Gotta love my Nintendo console. My PC is like my uber xbox :P

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Cleaver

Dealbreaker.

The PS2 had probably the greatest game library of any console, and the PS3's limited backwards compatibility means that it gets almost no love from me compared to my PC. If I can't play anything I have bought on PSN for my PS3 on this new unit, as well as playing my PS2 games, then fuck it.

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georgey

Why do people continue to support Sony? They've shown time and time again that they don't care about their customers, I even think they actively dislike their customers!

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DnBDox

Who cares about used games, Gamestop has been ripping kids off for thier games for years and its about time it stops. Services like gamefly I can agree with if they are paying the developers or company a fee for having their games. Gamestop is just some scumbag pawnshop for kids. No used games? Drop the price on the new titles 10$ your gona be making more money right?

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CaptainFabulous

Rental services don't pay royalties, they buy the discs outright just like you and me.

And Gamestop isn't the only way to sell your games. Ever hear of this place called eBay?

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DnBDox

Yes Im just speaking of Gamestop for a few reasons I think most of the general public who thinks "used games" thinks Gamestop. Gamestop is this scumbag middleman who rips kids off for games and then resells them for a much higher price. Ok im sure their is some kind of business model on how they price games and everything but I feel the customer gets ripped off. To me gamestop is just a pawnshop and I hardly buy from there for that reason. Buy a new game? They alrdy opened it! WTF lol. Whatever just my opinion I think I have it out for gamestop for some reason XD. The only thing I would like to see is if they cut out used games new releases should be priced cheaper, is that gonna happen prolly not.

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Carlidan

What do u expect Gamestop to do? Buy the used game at it's retail price? And sell it cheaper? First off, when you sell the game, most likely you finished playing the game and want to sell it anyways. Now if you think that you can get more money than selling it Gamestop, then do it.

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Brett Schealler

This will not end Sony's Playstation or Microsoft's Xbox. It has been going on in the PC world for many years now. However, if console gamers decide to ditch their respective clients, that could potentially be one less system a developer has to port to. Microsoft should let PC users game with Xbox users, even if it means having to use an official gamepad versus kb and mouse to make it fair. I would certainly like not having a console around just for a few games...

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Philippe Lemay

That's also plenty of time for people to switch over to desktop gaming.

I know it's the hardest thing for a consoler to convert, but they are going to have to start facing the limitations of their golden boy sooner than later. BF3 is a perfect example, I'm sure loads of PS3 players would love to get 64-player games, but it's a logistical impossibility with those old chips.

Personally I hope it does reinforce PC gaming, consolers often act very condescending to PCs... though I have trouble understanding why.

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LatiosXT

Part of me says Sony's just spitting out things again. They tried this with the PS3, and nobody liked it.

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Threshadon

Sounds like my next gen console will be an Xbox.

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ocnier

Just remember folks this is also the same company that gave us "Cinavia" something that has real potential for harm. I recommend you google it. Oh well, its time to answer with your wallet and your feet (walking away from Sony).

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mhouston100

Thanks for that, I had never heard of it. Def a tick in the negative box for Sony.

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Zoandar

Post-Console era, here we come. :-)

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Biceps

Like ashinms below, I game exclusively on a PC, so this doesn't really affect me. I also don't purchase any used games, because most of what I purchase now is in Steam. The added convenience is worth the lack of transferability to me - and the sales are often good enough that they blow 'used' prices I see for console games at GameStop out of the water.

If you work at GameStop, I would recommmend finding a new job in the next year or so.

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Engelsstaub

"If you work at GameStop, I would recommmend finding a new job in the next year or so."

They should just find a new job now. GS doesn't pay their employees shit and gives them as little hours as possible. At least the ones where I live. I was looking for an app for my nephew and was told by a manager (who looked to be about the same age as myself) that "this is really more of a hobby than a job." Translation: "we're not here to create a few decent jobs in a time where 1-out-of-10 ppl are without one. We're rather here to employ far more people than necessary so that we can give them each less than 16 hours a week and maximize profits for Corporate. ...oh: and here's fifteen dollars for your sixty dollar game that came out two weeks ago. We're going to sell it tomorrow for five bucks less than a 'new' one."

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Kinetic

Oh, so $54.99 for a used copy of a game at gamestop versus $59.99 for a new one isn't a good enough deal for you?

I really hate that store, and my personal favorite they pull is when they try to sell you open games as "new". Bonus points if the disk is scratched as well.
If its not sealed, it's used. Period.

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Duck Dodgers

+1
I also game on PC only. My PS3 is currently my BD player/netflix machine. I only buy games on steam during the awesome sales and it blows anything gamestop could offer out of the water. The conversion to PC would be higher if the price of entry and upkeep wasn't so high....damn shame.

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stradric

This doesn't concern me personally because I'll never buy a Playstation, but it wouldn't surprise me either. After all, it's Sony. I realize their gaming division is separate from their music and movie divisions, but they're all linked together with the same misguided approach from on high. These are the guys that thought it would be a good idea to install a rootkit on your computer so they could prevent you from ripping discs. Preventing used game sales through product activation is totally in line with that philosophy.

If true, this is even more heavy-handed than Steam because of the fact that they're trashing backwards compatibility. For the PS5, all those PS4 games you bought digitally would be lost.

Btw, that design is ridiculous. And the design for the xbox 720 on that source page is even worse.

Anyway, this is all more reason to stick to PC gaming.

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phoenixjc

No backwards compatibility, no rental options, no used game sales. Why, this sounds like the current state of affairs with the PC game market...except for the backwards compatibility part. It's always entertaining when you see a kingdom like Sony (I say kingdom because you can only get to the top through heritage, not hard work), spit in the face of their consumers. You would think that they may have learned a lesson or two about customer service when they got hacked, but apparently they feel that self destructing will be more profitable in the short term. It's not like the Vita is being well received...
Keep it up Sony, I love a good train wreck.

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CaptainFabulous

Trying to kill the used game market would be the worst move any company tries to make.

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stradric

Because why? Because we're good consumers? Ha! Take a look at the millions of people willing to shell out $60 every year for the next shitty Modern Warfare sequel. Much to our dismay, Sony will easily get away with this. Microsoft is probably implementing a similar system. They're not going to use BluRay and they're most likely not going to have DVD either. That leaves removable storage and downloadable packages -- ripe for a Steam-like environment.

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Kinetic

You should read this, they make a lot of excellent points why that won't happen.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/the-all-digital-console-is-a-myth-despite-steam-box-and-discless-xbox-rumor

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stradric

A lot of "excellent" points? Certainly not a lot and whether they are excellent is a matter of opinion. Personally, I've heard all of those points before and they are not very strong without actual data -- which Microsoft and Sony certainly have. They all center around the broadband issue, which is a weak one.

28% without broadband? OK, but what percentage of those people have a gaming console? Do they have cell phones? What if the next gen console had a 3G and 4G LTE radio? Not likely, but possible.

What about broadband growth? If the consoles are supposed to be 7-10 year cycles, how is the broadband picture going to look in 5 years? Probably a lot better that 72%.

Perhaps they're planning some other form of distribution such as transfer kiosks like RedBox. Drop your storage medium into the box and buy a game encrypted for your Live account. No broadband required, and it cuts out the middleman of Gamestop. Or maybe gamestop will host these kiosks. Who knows?

Certainly a discless system could use USB storage solutions like flash drives. They're faster than discs, can hold more information and require no additional moving parts like an optical drive does.

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CaptainFabulous

Yes, they shell out $60, play it for a week, and then sell it for $30 on eBay.

No, they won't get away with it.

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Supall

What does Sony gain by limiting used games through their hardware?

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iheartpcs

They don't like other people making money.

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CaptainFabulous

Sony get a royalty payment for each new game sold, but gets nothing from used games.

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Danthrax66

I'm pretty sure they don't, they charge a general licensing fee.

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alabasterdragon

Sony gets a fee for every single new bluray sold, plus they charge a fee for the right to use their name and the ps3 logo on every new game sold, plus probably a dozen other fees just for the privilege of them allowing the other companies to do business with Sony.

Sony make nothing off the resell of used games. Neither does the developer. That's where downloadable content that you can sell to the first, second, third, etc buy comes in.

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CaptainFabulous

They own the rights to the bluray format too. Cha-ching.

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