U.S. Democrats Push for Internet Sales Taxes

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TechMan2525

Everyone's missing the whole point, you can tax the hell out of any and everything, you can get trillions of dollars from where ever, and guess what? We will still be in the same state that we're in now. At best it may SEEM to solve some issues, and then we'll find ourselves still in the same boat. This problem has to be fixed at the core, (and i'm not talking computer processors) which is enforced regulations on government/corperate corruption and greed because that is how we got here! Make no mistake about it, the greed and corruption in this country is out of control! No i'm not saying people don't have a right to wealth, i'm saying, what's wrong with someone else benifiting from good healthcare, a meaningful income you know, the so called "American Dream". As long as the 1% control our government with their wealth, your vote means little. When the 99%'s votes count as they should, there won't be a need to bleed the people dry with taxes. I'll add one more thing, i was made jobless and homeless while the guilty got 787 billion dollars for ruining the economy, well, i'm still jobless, homeless and suffering from rheumatoid arthritis and was just denied disability. That's how our money is being misappropriated, the wealthy look out for the wealthy, while the people who work and make corperations and our government wealthy, the corperations and our government continue to look out for each other, that's why we're fucked! And i'm not sorry! Fuck this government, large greedy corperations and wallstreet especially!

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THE_REAL_MAVERICK

oh, now I remember why Im not a dem.  What a joke.  The dems spend all this money on stupid stuff then find out that their piggy bank is empty, so they tax us.  They tax those who have no jobs, what a joke.  Get them all out of office.

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highsidednb

Right, because Republicans never do anything stupid with our taxes-like subsidize their buddies oil, farming, mining, and military contractor businesses.  Sure, Republicans know how to handle tax revenue....

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Ashton2091

Let's be real here...the dems and republicans make extra stupid decisions. it's not just one party. first off...it's dumb as i don't know what to even be split into groups (aka gangs) like that. no normal person makes a decision before hearing the issue. and that's what both dems and republicans do. everyone just wants to be down with a gang. i don't give a crap who messed what up...like most american's i just want it fixed. that means voting some folks out.

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TechMan2525

Now you're talking, only it's not just the dems, it's both parties, they care about the wealthy not you and i. Unless you have $300,000.00 to $1,000,000.00, then you're in the club.

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arnoldziffel

I live in New York state and they already have a sales tax that is delcared and collected on our yealy income tax returns, something like $20 per $15000 of adjusted income, kinda arbitrary ya think . If there is a declared Internet Tax, how do you enforce it? Who and how do you look at the all of the transactions , of say Amazon or Newegg, etc. . If the seller lives in Florida and I am in New York who keeps  the tax proceeds from the sale to me.  Don't get me wrong , taxes do suck, but just the political haggling and the logistics of trying to implement things at a federal level will push the tax debate well into the next decade. The tax you all need to beware of is the talk of a Value Added or general Goods and Services Tax, at the federal level. That federal tax has recently  been making the rounds in capitol hill because, get this,  "other countries do it". It won't matter if you are a Demacrat, republican, right to life, etc. , it will hit everyone.

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josh3794

The other country that has the goods and services tax is Canada. GST is 7% on all purchases with a few exceptions like dairy and some other food items. 

With that each province (To you guys a state) has a Provincial Sales Tax or PST. It varies from province to province on the percentage.

All online purchases are taxed up here. If we purchase something from Amazon we have to pay the tax on the purchase price before we can receive the product.The online retailers do not charge or collect this tax. It is done through the postal or courier delivery system. So either canada post, fed ex or UPS would collect the tax at the pickup point.

Some online retailers like amazon that have opened a Canadian website charge the tax through their system to save the hassel at our end.

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Greg4422

I'm a liberal, but on this one, I'm with the replubicans. You don't raise taxes in a recession.  Taxing online retailers will result in reduced sales, and make online goods more expensive for average person trying to make end meets.   For poor people like me, it may no longer be worth while to make purchases online. I say less cut government. We don't need 100 Senators...lets cut that number to 25... assign each Senator 2 states and completely get rid of the house of representatives...that would save us a ton of money in ear mark...lol. Add a flat tax and shut down the IRS.

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Keith E. Whisman

I'm actually surprised. I have a few very liberal friends that worshiped Obama and now that can't stop complaining about him. There are going to be millions of democrats voting for a republican candidate for the next election in November and again in 2012. 

My friends tell me that Obama isn't doing what they expected. Hell they convinced me to vote for him and I have never voted for a democrat in my life. Obama is the first and the last dem I'm ever voting for unless I actually know him and I do actually know one local Democrat that's going to be running for the senate in a few years but he is extremely conservative and very much into protecting the constitution including the 2nd amendment. That's why we're friends.

My liberal friend Dave told me Obama was going to save the country. That social medicine was going to be great. Free medical care. From what I can tell in the new medical reform bill there is no free medical care. So it's not really social medicine and that pisses off alot of liberals along with the current dem leaders taxation and pretending that the economy is getting better is also pissing people off. As I said my liberal friends are voting republican or not at all. 

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TechMan2525

The same should be done with healthcare, universal healthcare can work well and eliminate the complex billing and coding red tape and also remove the for-profit insurance companies from the equation alltogether. But for any of this to work, we would need to remove money and corruption from the governmental process. Make no mistake about it my friends, corruption and greed is what is causing all of the strife in the US, even the oil spill happened because of pay offs so proper measures weren't taken, and the oil spill is the result. Research it.

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thetechchild

Wow, isn't it just amazingly awesome how discussions that are supposed to be 'rational' and, you know, intelligent, end up involving cuss words and insults. Yes -- yelling insults at a stranger over the Internet because they have different views definitely solves the issue. Because random people who completely disagree with you will definitely be swayed by "fuck you" and then help your cause.

(I really need a signature that says "Bring on the flames")

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tkid124

The article just had to mention wall mart.

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triclops41

and your bs about walmart is actually the opposite of reality

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triclops41

do = due

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triclops41

guisano, go back to the dailykos where people will believe your nonsense that all of the US problems are do to a bush or a reagan.  you are not very smart if you dont think that repub and dem prez's act almost identically.  but i guess that doesnt fit into the team red vs team blue story that you base your self worth on, so go ahead and rage against the tea-partiers and keep cheering for you team.  cuz i promise, you are the good guys, and the other guys, they are the bad guys!

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Guisano

Triclops, read some real history.  Not what rushbo and orly tell you what you should think. You can go run off with Ayn Rand and eat money all day and tell each other how hard you work and that nobody but nobody can ever come close to having your good looks, brains and perfect DNA.

 No, wait, I got it.  Let's no one pay any taxes anymore.  period.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

 Imagine there's no country, it's easy if you try.  No one to protect you, from the other guy.  With the bombs.

Imagine all the plutocrats, taking all your moneeee, and telling you you're a slacker

 ooo, ooo, ooooooooo, oooooo

I'm actually in favor of voting about 90% out, but not before we torch K-Street, Wall Street and the neo-fags at C-Street.

 But, back to the issue at hand, which bit of socialism are you willing to do without? Fire department?  Police?  Schools?

 

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Danthrax66

Hey you know what would decrease the deficit more... getting the fuck out of the middle east.

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Guisano

Bring them home from the middle east; Germany; Japan; Korea.  End the Military-Industrial-Political Complex now!

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Danthrax66

I'm just saying end this bullshit war the military itself is ok they actually develop useful technologies (gps etc.) just quit wasting trillions on some fucking shit hole (yeah fuck being politically correct Iraq and the rest of the middle east is a shit hole).

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Guisano

I find nothing wrong with having internet based businesses paying taxes.  It's dumbfounding to me that they're not taxed.  Of course it also dumbfounds me that communities will destroy their tax base to lure in crap jobs from Wal-Mart via tax abatements number one and, secondly, the inevitable decline in wages that occurs as the businesses that used to service a community have to close down.  Of course it's the "something for nothing" teabagger mindset that believes this is sound economic policy.  It's almost as good as ridding ourselves of our manufacturing base and currency reserves.  Yay!  We're free!

 We are one strange society.

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tkid124

It is not that online businesses aren't taxed it is that their sales tax is often only charged if the item is shipped in state because of how STATE tax laws are written. States namely those that have tourist based economies have chosen to allow out of state travelers to get tax refunds from whatever purchases they made there. They bring in money to the economy and they don't have serious benefits from the taxes. The states decided that by spending money they were beneficial to the economy, so taxing them was unneeded.

Since this is a tech forum and the 'actions of Wall Mart brick & mortar stores'  has nothing to do with technology I will and encourage others to just ignore it.

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szore

moron.

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Carpnter

I will also let my representativesknow of my displeasure. 

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Fecal Face

I think the government needs to stop trying to control what happens on the internet. This is ridiculous already.

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Guisano

Today's question for brilliant minds: Who created the internet?

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I Jedi

In this depression, they want to find new ways to tax people? Here's an idea, if you want us to get out of this economic depression (yes, not a recession by miles), I suggest not taxing people in every way possible, and loosening current business restrictions. People buy a shit ton online because they know they can get away without having to pay taxes, in most cases; therefore, this encourages more spending, helps businesses, creates jobs, gives people more money, people spend more, more products are made, and soon enough the economy is expanding.

 Oh, and Congress, if you're looking to find ways to pay back YOUR debt, as I was in no way in favor of taking Obama's slush fund (bailouts), shut the government down, except ESSENTIAL programs/defense apporpriations. But I realize this goes against all rational thought, so please continue to spend, tax, spend, tax.

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Guisano

Online retailers are going to save us!  All the other stores employing your fellow citizens should immediately close so that you can reap big time savings on your next usb storage device.  And all these folks selling shitloads of made in China by Chinese slaves products out of their basements are going to create millions of jobs to replace the several thousands that will, unfortunately, be lost.  Tons of shit will be shipped across the land, air and sea.  Millions more people will be employed to deliver this.  And as all this scaling up is done, costs will decrease due to the magic of, of, oh, yeah, No Sales Tax.

Did that Obama offer you a slush fund, too?  What a whore!  We should only have programs essential to you, baggie, because we all know that you're the only important one on the face of this planet and your spending on power supply that saves you a couple of dollars is going to save the economy.  The enormous multiplier effect of your baggie-bux is such that a tsunami of economic opportunity shall flood the earth and save us from ourselves.  We only need to further reduce the tax rate.

Genius, pure genius.

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thetechchild

The Great Depression is the Great Depression for a reason. Depression does not necessarily define something of that magnitude. While this might be considered a recession rather than a depression, comparing the current economic situation to the Great Depression is ridiculous. Sarcasm and thinly veiled insults, which take up half of your post, do not help/contribute at all.

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Danthrax66

Just because you still have money doesn't mean that people aren't suffering. There were people in the great depression that had money too

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Guisano

You're right, it's not rational at all.  You were no doubt a fanboi of boy geogie's borrow and squander policies?  Runty raygun's borrow, steal and squander policies?

 Back to the kettle, teabaggie.  You're not even half-cooked yet.

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US_Ranger

Hey Guisano, you're not talking about the same borrow and squander policies that Obama pushes are you? You're not talking about the same wars, warrantless wiretapping, and Guantanemo bay policies now are you? I didn't think so. Remember, there are only democrats and republicans. There is no other option.

 People of your intelligence level (very low) continue to amaze me day after day.

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Guisano

Because, Obama is actually accounting for the costs of boy georgies orgy instead of paying for it via "supplementals."  Unfortunately, you're absolutely right about the stinking "Patriot Act."  That piece of Orwellian garbage is a threat to us all and it should already be gone. 

We need "None of the Above" on the ballot to rid ourselves of the plutocrat wannabes on the hill.  6 week elections, like the UK.  Shoot lobbyists on site or even poorly aimed bombs and missles from Predator Drones anywhere near K-St or Wall St.

Try spellcheck sometime and you'll learn how to spell Guantanamo, genius.

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US_Ranger

Obama isn't accounting for anything. He's adding trillions of dollars in debt. How is that helping anything? People like you seriously blow my mind. The mental gymnastics required to convince yourself that Obama is great because he's (democrat, black, tall, whatever it is) instead of just looking at it like a rational person and realizing that Obama = Bush and Republicans = Democrats. That's ok though, just make sure to vote for the (D) on the next ballot and it will all be ok.

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Guisano

Sorry baggie, but you're wrong.  He's actually showing the cost of the war in the budget and that adds up in a hurry. This was, during the boy george misadministration, done by supplemental budgeting.  That is, the costs were cobbled together and then "rammed down our throats" (thanks baggies) under the guise of "patriotism."  We still have some of this today but they've made an honest effort to account for it.

As of today, we've spent $280 Billion and lost over 1,000 of our best folks in Afghanistan and I'd ask "for what?"  For the Chinese and the Japanese to come in and sign mining agreements with the corrupt Afghanies? The Wall St. Urinal reported that at least $9 Billion in wrapped up $100 bills has just been sort of distributed to warlords, the brothers Karzai and who knows who else.

But I digress.  We should quibble about charging some tax on some "virtual" business where the added cost of that tax is going to be more than offset by the savings from buying the same item at a large chain store or a local establishment.  I do my best to support the local guys as they're a good source of support for me; however, the cost savings of some items of interest to us all here - hard drives; memory, etc. are large enough that even with taxes and shipping added you almost have to take advantage of them if you are to indulge your computer upgrade obsessions (guilty as charged).

Should Amazon, for example, be given an advantage over someone who operates from a "bricks and sticks" operation been paying taxes into his community and providing employment opportunities?  Where is the fairness in that?  Do we really wish to cannabalize our economy in this manner?

Happy Democracy Day!

 

 

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grorc

GAAA!!! Is there nothing they won't rub their grimy little hands all over!  I guess the hay-days of the internet are over.  All we can look forward to now is the government telling us what we can and cant do on the internet.

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WorldwoWires

This robbing Peter to pay Paul crap has to stop!  Borrow from one program to pay for another tax, tax, tax!  If this passes, small business very well may end up on life support.  If you have to pay the tax anyway, of course the big box store is going to have the best price.  The little guy grabs his ankles and hopes that loyalty wins out over price.  Who knew that economic terrorism was legal in the U.S.A.

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Guisano

Well stated.  I'd ask this question - who's caused more economic damage to the US since 911? 

A) The terrorists with two wars ongoing

B) Goldman Sachs; AIG; FreddieFannie and other Wall St bottom feeders

C) BP's Great Gulf Adventure

D) ACORN - ~ $15 Million over 5 years but gave conservatives convulsions 

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