Ultima Creator Richard Garriott Looks to Kickstart an Ambitious RPG

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bigdirtydave

Million bucks? Big whoop,, thats 10 talented people for one year. Chump change. If you enjoyed the products put out in the past by that team and you are interested in the direction the campaign is going it's your money to spend how you want. Everyone else can shove off.

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michaelnomad

I feel like a lot of people complaining haven't gone to the site. He's not just asking for money and you get nothing but the possibility of a game being made.
People contributing $25 or more are getting a digital copy of the game, plus early access. It's not one of those kickstarters that you give $50 to and all you get is a crappy 'thank you'.

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West996

It is better then nothing I guess, if it was more like an advanced pre-order to asses minimum customer buy in I wouldn't have an issue.

As I said in another reply, this guy is already successful, he is taking advantage of the kickstarter program. Just because people are donating doesn't make it legit. There will always be droves of people willing to part with their money for little to nothing in return.

Let me ask this, How would you feel if Blizzard started a kickstarter for their next World of Warcraft expansion?

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Gezzer

Ultima IV the Quest of the Avatar was the game that made me a gamer. I had a few early consoles like a Coleco Pong, and a Mattel Intellivision. Then saved up and bought my first real computer. The first gen Atari 800. There was a lot of games for the system that I loved. But even after moving out on my own and having a life, job, etc. I always found a bit of time to continue my Avatar quest. It took me quite awhile but the feeling I had when I finally beat the game was like nothing I'd ever felt before. It was complete satisfaction on a job done, and done well. I swear I was almost a little giddy, and had the biggest smile on my face I've ever had. I've played and beat a lot of RPGs since then, but it'll always have a place in my heart and memories.

Now I mentioned this in another reply but there's more reasons then just getting money to have a kickstarter. It's also a great way to get confirmed sales and a clearer idea how popular the game might be. It's not like people who contribute to the thing don't get anything right? I haven't been to the page because I gave up Credit Cards a long time ago and can't join in, so it would just be pure torture to go look. But I bet that the game will end up costing more then the current goal to develop. I also bet that the final price for anyone that doesn't go in now will be higher then what they currently are getting the game for. So what's the big deal?

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Baer

Many of those that start new companies are rich (success breeds success) yet they still offer investment opportunities and eventually stock. If you do not want to invest then don't but those that do want to be a part, even a small part can do so through Kickstarter.
If you take a look, most do not agree with you as they have already reached almost half their goal in just a few days.

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vrmlbasic

Why are you talking about "investment opportunities", "stock" & "invest[ing]" in a company on an article about _donating_ to a millionaire's Kickstarter project? As you later post to acknowledge, Kickstarter is not an investment opportunity.

You're comparing apples to oranges, and then you renege when called on it. That doesn't bode well for your ethos.

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dgrmouse

Baer said, "most do not agree with you as they have already reached almost half their goal in just a few days."

This is broken logic. If "most" people donated money, they'd have a heck of a lot more than $500k banked.

Ask a few people at random if they think donating money with no strings attached to a for-profit company in hopes of seeing a good game be made available for sale is a reasonable action. It is hard for a girl scout to sell cookies; if people had any sense at all, it would be impossible for Garriot to launch a successful Kickstarter campaign.

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Baer

Duh! of course if the literal "most people on earth" donated a dollar they would have billions.
How about this, Many of us who remember starting in CRPG's who went to the site in the last few days donated as they have now raised almost $600K. That technical enough for you?
So you do not like the concept, don't donate, move on, nothing to see here for you, go play Angry Birds on an iPad. Go play Farmville for free. I get it, you do not like the concept, your right to feel that way, nothing personal taken.
I just do not agree with you and in fact I think I will go donate again in your honor!

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West996

Wow defensive much? Is this your kick starter project? Do you work for kick starter? Probably not because you seem to have enough money to just give away for nothing in return, which is nice for you.

Just because I don't agree with donating money to someone who has more money then I ever will so that he can make even more doesn't mean I don't like to pay for games. So your 'angry birds' or 'free games' comment is unfounded.

I'm interested in the game, and I will likely buy it when it comes out, but I am not going to fund the research and development for him.

Kickstarters are fine for indie devs who couldn't make their product otherwise, but I think they have no turned into something to be taken advantage of.

This guy knows his game is popular and to me he is saying 'If they want it bad enough, they can pay for it, and then I'll make it. If not I've got better things to do.'.

In fact If I the kickstarter failed I wouldn't be surprised to still see the game being released because he knows he will still make a profit.

Let me ask you this, if Blizzard started a kickstarter for their next World of Warcraft expansion, how would you react?

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Gezzer

I thought Kickstarter wasn't really a donation system per se, but more of a way to raise capital and kick start development. The rules were that no money would be exchanged unless the goal was met, and you actually would get something for your money. Unless of course the developer involved was either vastly under estimating the capital needed or running a con. So it's as much a matter of how much you trust the developer then anything else.

There's also another really good reason to use Kickstarter even if you have a fair amount of capital already. It's a really good gauge on how much interest in the product is out there. When your talking about investing a lot of your own money into the project it's nice to have an idea if it'll sell or not. I wouldn't be too surprised if the game will actually cost a lot more then the kickstarter goal.

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Xenite

He's a millionaire and yet he wants YOU to fund his project, that doesn't even look that great to be honest.

Kick-starter has turned into a bigger joke than it already was.

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Jox

Xenite - He's a millionaire and yet he wants YOU to fund his project...

And now you understand WHY he's a millionaire.

-Jox

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TommM

I loved the old Ultima series, III and IV especially. Talk about some old school D&D fun! So I'd certainly be interested in playing this one when it comes out.

But I have to side with what many posters have mentioned. This guy has money. A LOT of money. Enough to cut a check for a $30 million dollar ride to the Space Station. What the heck does he need Kickstarter money for?

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Exarkun1138

I LOVED Ultima VI! I played that for hours on end and was engrossed in the world so completely, even without "3D" graphics! You could pick up almost any object, and the world was HUGE!! I still have it running in my DOS Emulator, and I still play it once in a while!

I'd like to see another Ultima Style game like Ultima VI with that same 3/4 perspective, and a huge, detailed world, but NOT done like Diablo or Titan Quest. Keep it purely an RPG like Ultima VI. Hell, even keep the graphics "simple", yet very detailed, and not have to have 3D graphics.

Oh hell, I'll just start a new adventure in Ultima VI! LOL!!!!

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furball146

Ulitma??

Clean-up on aisle 4 for typos. Probably wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't in the articles title :)

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vrmlbasic

Doesn't the man have the money to fund his own project?

I thought Kickstarter was for "indie" projects, a way to "cash in" on the romanticized notion of helping someone who possesses a good idea but no cash flow, an idea that couldn't get "mainstream" capital, bring their idea to life.

As such, I find the idea of using Kickstarter to fund a "1%-er" self-made astronaut, a man who has the track record to get "mainstream" funding, alien.

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HeroOfCanton

This. Why doesn't he use part of the $32m he got from his NCSoft contract to make that POS "Tabula Rasa"? Even after legal fees, I'm sure he's got a paltry $1m to invest in his own project.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/26/richard-garriott-defeats-ncsoft-in-battle/

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West996

I'm not going to support the kick-starter, maybe I don't understand them enough, but I just don't get the concept of a company asking for a million dollars to create a product that they will then make millions more from.

Who wouldn't attempt a business venture if there were no start up costs?

Make the product and you'll make money from me when I buy it, I'm not going to fund your R&D.

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Renegade Knight

Agreed. You want me to fund your venture, then make me an owner.

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tom_m

It frees them from potentially ridiculous publisher demands and timetables, thus increasing the chance of producing a better product.

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dgrmouse

tom_m said, "It frees them from potentially ridiculous publisher demands and timetables, thus increasing the chance of producing a better product."

Prove it.

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Baer

Ultima VI was my all-time favorite game. I am in.

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skelleman

need a new editor?
My wife is a kick-ass editor!
Let me know when she can start
ULITMA is the first word on the title... OUCH!

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Cut Paul some slack. He's obviously the hardest working writer on here judging by the mountain of material he produces. Furthermore, I have yet to see him use "irregardless" in an article. That alone allows for the occasional typo.

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Renegade Knight

Regardless of your opinion about irregardless it's actually as much of a word as ain't. Just to be clear, both are words, irregardless of other peoples opinions and I ain't going to stop using them. I do agree though that Paul works hard to keep this site going.

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Jox

From the Oxford English dictionary:
"Irregardless means the same as regardless, but the negative prefix ir- merely duplicates the suffix -less, and is unnecessary. The word dates back to the 19th century, but is regarded as incorrect in standard English."

Just because a bunch of lazy, poorly educated people continue to misuse a word, it does not mean the rest of us must incorporate it our repertoire. Also, the fact that "irregardless" appears in the Merriam-Webster dictionary does not legitimize the word, it merely de-values the Merriam-Webster dictionary as a source of information. The OED lists it as a cautionary example. At best, it is an American colloquialism, deserving of the same contempt attributed to such dubious terms as "nucular" and people who can't discern the correct use of "there", "their" and "they're".

-Jox

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Thank you to Jox for the explanation and thank you to Paul for the laugh.

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Paul_Lilly

Excitement over this project got the best of me, irregardless of whether that's a justifiable excuse for the headline typo or not.

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skelleman

Hey, I never said he was a bad writer, or that I don't appreciate Paul's articles and many contributions... regardless of the occasional typo, but I think we can all agree that even the best writers out there need an editor, and my wife really is an excellent one that hates her current job, so... I am shamelessly pandering out, just like Richard Garriot... I would like to live in a castle too!

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