Is Ubuntu Ditching Firefox?
You know that cute old couple down the street, the two that have been married since before your parents were born? Firefox and Ubuntu are kind of like that. It's hard to remember a time when you could find one without the other. But are the browser and the operating system experiencing irreconcilable differences? Any conservative radio host can tell you that the divorce rate is sky-high in America, and the Ubuntu team's considering tossing Firefox to the curb and chasing some hot young Chrome tail.
The whiff of discontent comes courtesy of a Network World interview with Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth. During the interview, Canonical said that the Ubuntu team considered making the switch with the next release of the operating system, and "it's a real possibility" that Chrome may displace Firefox in the future. For now, Firefox will be included in the upcoming Ubuntu 11.10 release. "That probably keeps us on Firefox for another year, at least, and we'll see from there," Shuttleworth said.
If the rest of the interview's any indication, the future of Firefox on Ubuntu doesn't look very bright. Shuttleworth spent a large chunk of the interview talking about Chrome and how awesome it is, especially in the Linux environment. Google's browser has been developed from the ground up to include Linux support – Chrome OS is a Linux variant – and Shuttleworth says that focus makes Chrome a performance powerhouse on the open-source operating system.
Would it be a welcome change? There was a mini-furor when Ubuntu switched from Gnome to the Unity desktop a little while back. Could two major changes in such a short time drive upset Ubuntu fanatics in the arms of other distros?
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maxeeemum
June 15, 2011 at 1:30am
It doesn't suprise me as it looks like Ubuntu is going down the wrong road just like Microsoft with Windows 8. With their use of "Unity" and other unpopular moves lately they will definitely lose market share. I have used Chrome and think it is fast but too stripped down and prefer Firefox 4 in Windows and Linux.
If your looking to try Linux all I have to say is skip Ubuntu and download "Linux Mint". You'll be glad you did as it is the best way to experience linux for the new user.
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Silencer
June 15, 2011 at 4:26pm
For years I've slowly been learning about Linux, I believe it's the future, and really soon now.
I've determined that Ubuntu currently 'leads' Linux. So you look there first, then look at it's off-shoots. Kubuntu is a kludge, a big tip to Linux newbs: Want KDE? Get Ubuntu, and put it on yourself. Avoid Kubuntu at all costs, it is a technical FUBAR nightmare, imho.
Long story short, I hear "Linux Mint" A LOT. Ya it's definitely worth a serious look, at least.
(Edit: Or put KDE on Linux Mint, (I think it comes with Gnome, not sure.) Probably not as good an idea though, idk.)
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PCLinuxguy
August 26, 2011 at 1:47pm
Linux Mint comes in variations like 'Mint KDE' and "Mint XFCE'. basically linux mint but built on that particular desktop environment. much like the standard ubuntu is built on Gnome and why you have to have Kubuntu to be able to run kde alone (as in install kde and purge gnome without the system imploding... don't have that problem with Arch or Debian)
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newegg911
June 14, 2011 at 10:59pm
I don't see why people gravitate towards Ubuntu. There much bitter distros like Fedora, Suze, and Debian.
It doesn't surprise me they might drop firefox. Firefox is still too slow, eats of system resourcess, and stills crashes way too much. Chrome is super fast and stable in my experience, it just doesn't have all the crazy plugins and whatnot, but if you are minimalist like me, it's Nirvana. In the Linux/Unix phisophy you are supposed to have programs that do one or a few different things very well that you can string together instead of having massive jack of all traids programs. Dropping Firefox for Chrome would be in line whith this phosoliphy.
Even it's not considered the main browser, there are enough Fifefox fanatics around that I'm sure it would be a secondary browser for quite some team.
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dandoz
June 15, 2011 at 9:09am
I simply don't get the hatred tossed at Ubuntu whenever it's mentioned on a tech forum. Is it by *nix purists who want only a dollar sign prompt and vi as their text editor?
Ubuntu seems to be to me, by far, the friendliest Linux distro out there. I tried Fedora and others and found that they were generally clunky derivatives of Windows 95/98.
I think Ubuntu is halfway to being brilliant. Halfway, because 11.04's Unity still requires adding lots of binaries and 3rd parties to get to be the tasteful/useful gui it was supposed to be. (Faenza, Compiz, Gnome Do, Nautilus Breadcrumb hacks, etc...)
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stevinp
June 14, 2011 at 10:32pm
If the developers of Ubuntu are worried about speed, maybe they should concentrate more on their own software. The latest version takes longer to boot than the previous version did. Never had crashes with FF on linux until the latest Ubuntu install. Heck the latest Ubuntu even runs the laptop battery down faster. I'll stick with FF which seems to be faster and more stable during my use. I have used Chrome and Opera but still came back to FF for everyday use. I think it may be time to ditch Ubuntu for another version of Linux anyway, not sure I like the direction they are taking it in.
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chop_slap
June 14, 2011 at 8:28pm
I keep trying Chrome. The misconception that Chrome is "faster" is a phat phalacy. Sure, the program opens up faster, but it does not load pages faster on Chrome than FF (testing side by side on different comps./connection.)
One thing that Chrome does better than Firefox is the way Extensions are installed. No reboot. Nice. The rest of the browser is mostly all from Firefox's idea bins anyway. Google integration is nice for people who need that on a daily basis, and are also unable to click on a simple Bookmark or type keywords to open addresses.
Firefox is much more configurable and the Add-ons have been around for longer. I have issues with alot of Chrome's extensions where they simply don't function like I want (Ad blocker for example) or they aren't as good as the FF equivalent. Chrome is also difficult to use for the partially computer illiterate customers of mine.
Most of the crashes people speak of are Flash errors on Linux. The bugs are ALL OVER THE PLACE, just google "flash ubuntu problems" and you'll see. I get them everyday on Chrome & FF (so blame Flash).
After all is said and done, I use both Chrome and Firefox on Zorin OS 64-bit (Ubuntu derivative). I use Chrome for no particular reason other than testing it and just playing around. Firefox can be used easily by nearly everyone, like IE. Plus, everyone knows Google. FF is taking on the two greatest Giants this world has seen (Google and Microsoft). I say it's doing quite well. Just needs a little refresh again.
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Brdn666
June 14, 2011 at 6:16pm
I'm a huge chrome fan and a linux user, so this is good news for me. I prefer chrome over any other browser mainly for it's google integration. I love chrome-to-phone and syncing between all of my various chrome browsers, wherever they may be. Sure you probably could get those features on other browsers but I just like how it's natural for chrome.
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CTskifreak
June 14, 2011 at 3:17pm
In Linux Mint the Chrome build is so much faster than Firefox. I don't know if it's lack of updates or optimization for Linux, but Firefox is so much slower. I use them both equally in Windows 7, but on the Linux side Firefox needs a kick in the ass to get itself going.
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Silencer
June 14, 2011 at 5:11pm
I was going to also mention in my post below, that Firefox is crappier in Linux, than it is in Windows, too.
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ManRay
June 14, 2011 at 2:38pm
Ubuntu sucks. You have to download plug-ins for every thing you do. It's annoying.
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pocosdad
June 14, 2011 at 2:03pm
It seems ironic to me that Ubuntu's money bags is favoring a product from what will be a direct competitor. Google is pushing their OS to be business oriented, not just another OS. I have both browsers and use Chrome occasionally, but for all the years I have used FF I have never considered switching to another browser with the exception of Opera which I use quite a bit. Chrome lags Opera for speed and usability in my opinion. In fact, I am writing this on Aurora right now and it has been very stable despite its beta status.
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pocosdad
June 14, 2011 at 2:03pm
It seems ironic to me that Ubuntu's money bags is favoring a product from what will be a direct competitor. Google is pushing their OS to be business oriented, not just another OS. I have both browsers and use Chrome occasionally, but for all the years I have used FF I have never considered switching to another browser with the exception of Opera which I use quite a bit. Chrome lags Opera for speed and usability in my opinion. In fact, I am writing this on Aurora right now and it has been very stable despite its beta status.
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Silencer
June 14, 2011 at 1:53pm
Ubuntu has a lot to do to compete with Windows 7, so lots of radical change on that platform isn't only acceptable, but expected. Any Ubuntu user can roll with their older distro, or install Firefox alongside Chrome, or whatever. And if they resist change, they'd only be hurting their platform, unless it's a bad change, which is why some debate is healthy. I feel that older change you mentioned, had a lot of healthy debate. And this is getting some too.
As far as Firefox vs. Chrome, well, hmm. I roll with Firefox, but I agree with him. Wait a year and re-evaluate. Probably should dual-load browsers for a year maybe, that'd reduce the shell-shock factor. People get religious about their browsers. (I don't want to use no f'ing Chrome. I don't want to use f'ing I.E. So to speak.) And frankly, Firefox is getting a little 'bloaty', has RAM leak issues, is a big security target, and feels more and more like I.E. did, which besides security, is why I left it.
Windows 8 is making radical changes, that are quite unwelcome, and it is a very bad move on their part. As they are screwing up Windows, I will be perfecting Ubuntu, for myself and probably about 300 others. I'll be turning it into Windows, a reliable Windows, by arduously working with Wine (which is an emulator,) legally downloadable Windows Updates, PlayOnLinux, and tons of programs. When I'm done, I'll have a universal LiveDVD Ubuntu/Windows. Oh, and I'll share it with the rest of the world, (real cheap!) ;O) Bye Microsoft Windows.
However, I'm also writing a computer program, so I may not have time for that. But I probably will. We'll see.
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bloodgain
June 14, 2011 at 1:05pm
I don't understand why real Linux users would care. It's easy to install and switch to Firefox, just like it's easy to ditch Unity for Gnome or even KDE (among several other GUIs). My Windows installs don't come with Firefox or Chrome, and I use both.
Even if you're worried about "one more step" doing an install, big whoop. How many power users don't come armed with a flash drive of ready-to-install programs when they're doing an OS install? And with Linux, chances are you'll already have to crack open at least one config file to make something (usually the network connections) behave properly.
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Brad Chacos
June 14, 2011 at 5:22pm
Me and my buddies call those flash drives "Ninja drives". Slip in, get the job done quietly and efficiently, then slip back out.
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Torqumada286
June 14, 2011 at 6:57pm
And as with ninjas, the more you have, the less efficient you become?
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Brad Chacos
June 14, 2011 at 7:15pm
You, sir (or madam), have obviously never seen a ninja army. But then again, NEITHER HAS ANYONE.
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Rush12049
June 14, 2011 at 12:40pm
I dont see what the facinsation with Chrome is. I used it for a few months, and to tell you the truth, Firefox feels faster then Chrome does. Maybe it's just me. And the dev builds seem to crash alot more then the Firefox Nightly builds (Incredibly stable) ive been running for a year now. Chrome just isn't for me I guess. Sad to see Firefox getting kicked to the curb for Chrome though.
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Holly Golightly
June 14, 2011 at 5:56pm
I freaking love your NetScape Navigator browser. I use K-Meleon browser with the NetScape skin. I look at the throbber I have grown to love while getting the security with the Mozilla Gecko engine.
To be honest though... That Ubuntu symbol goes very well with that Chrome logo... I sort of see it as a match.
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Saltywounds
June 14, 2011 at 4:18pm
I've been using Chrome Dev build for about a year now and probably won't ever go back to Firefox. Chrome feels much faster and even though I'm using the Dev build I have rarely experienced crashes in my time using it. With the exception of a conflict between Flash and the Talk plugin about a week ago but thankfully that was fixed within a few hours.
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