Ubuntu Countdown Timer Hints at Touch Support

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Cy-Kill

I think it's a little to late for Canonical (Ubuntu), Jolla (Sailfish), and Samsung (Bada) to go against Android, I think all three of them should just put in fully with Android and be done with it, don't compete against it!

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MarioJP

Ubuntu 8 =P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU

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Andrew.Hodge

Ubuntu phone. Hmmm... So now we have firefox OS, Android, BB10, IOS, Windows phone, and Ubuntu phone all vying for the smartphone market. This will be interesting...

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gendoikari1

I've had enough of Ubuntu already, and shoehorning both touch controls and Unity on everything won't make me come back.

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AFDozerman

Hmmm... Dual booting Win8 and Ubuntu; I guess I should probably get a touchscreen now..

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Happy

Windows 8 doesn't allow a person to load an OS that isn't approved by Windows. That's what I've heard on the comments on here and I believe it. A locked bootloader (I think that's what it's called) is not a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

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Cregan89

That is 100% inaccurate. UEFI Secure Boot has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft. It's simply a feature of the UEFI specification which provides a method for signing and verifying OS bootloaders at startup as a way to prevent malicious rootkits. The specification was not developed and is not maintained by Microsoft at any level.

Microsoft simply decided to take advantage of this hardware feature with Windows 8 in order to (fairly substantially) improve security. The criticism was that Microsoft mandated in the Windows 8 hardware certification that Secure Boot be enabled by default, but this criticism is ridiculous because it would completely undermine the benefits of Secure Boot if it was disabled by default. Not to mention, Microsoft also included in the hardware certification that all x86/64 systems provide an option to disable Secure Boot, thereby completely nullifying the argument that Windows 8 prevents other OS's from being installed. With this, Microsoft provides security first, and customization second. To summarize in Microsoft's own words:
"At the end of the day, the customer is in control of their PC. Microsoft’s philosophy is to provide customers with the best experience first, and allow them to make decisions themselves."

And finally, while all the uninformed idiots were spewing off about "M$ IS BLOCKING LINUX FROM INSTALLING!!!!!", the developers and engineers of the various Linux distributions realized the benefits of Microsoft requiring Secure Boot on all future PC's and added support for the feature to their OS's as well. Now Ubuntu (along with most other, if not all popular Linux distributions) include the additional security provided by UEFI Secure Boot and have their own keys pre-installed on the majority of new hardware. This means that not only will any Linux distribution install on every single Windows 8 PC provided they have proper driver support, but the majority of Linux and hardware combinations will now provide improved security thanks to Windows 8's requirement for UEFI Secure Boot support.

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AFDozerman

I haven't had any issues with several Linux Distros or BSD. I have noticed that Windows 8 seems "conscious" of the other OSes on it's particular hard drive. If I boot to my primary drive, it gives me a GUI selection of the other operating systems, even though I have already removed Linux Mint and BSD. It doesn't seem to be able to detect my OpenSUSE partition on my storage drive, though. I rarely boot into it and have to change the boot order to boot into it. I haven't tried any other OSes, but I may give Haiku a whirl to see if 8 tries to block it. I doubt it would be "approved"

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Bullwinkle J Moose

If I get a touchcreen I might try it

But I just booted Linux Mint for the first time and am very impressed
(Mint 14 Cinnamon 32-bit)

I already have Ubuntu but never tried Mint before
It's Very easy to use compared to Windows 8

I booted it from DVD, entered my wi-fi password, added a few plugins to firefox, switched to Google Search, changed save location to thumbdrive and then logged in here at Max PC

yeah, 2013 could have been the year for free and secure operating systems if Microsoft diddn't decide to break all the new computers to prevent that from happening

To think we were that close to preventing a Microsoft Monopoly

Oh well, maybe in an alternate Universe somewhere

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TrollBot5000

Yeah I tried installing 14 64bit Mate and my ati catalyst install failed for some reason so I just went back to the 13 LTS release. No issues. Yeah it's a no brainer that the latest linux offerings are more solid than windows 8.

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Hilarity

More solid than 8? ROFFFFFFFFFFL. Nope. Tried 12.04.1 LTS, hard crashed within 10min of playing fucking music and 5 tabs open. Useless trash. Debian is one of the few solid distro's built for stability.

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TrollBot5000

I find that odd that you had a crash from just that. Well I've been running Mint 13 Mate 64bit which is 12.04.1 underneath and haven't one single issue with it.

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Happy

True. Debian is good. (relatively speaking).

I WISH game makers would get on board with Ubuntu and Mint and other Linux distros so that we can move to a free and open source world of operating systems! To think that Microsoft has had a hegemony all this time and now Google is attempting to break Microsoft's grip only so that they can develop their own autocratic control does not make me feel secure or happy.

(and yes, Google IS trying to get total control over us. The proof is their Chrome OS operating system that is SOOO locked down and enslaved to the cloud. The fact that they KEEP putting it out there and KEEP lowering the price just proves that Google will do ANYTHING they can to get us to start using Chromebooks and Chromeboxes so that we will be slaves to the Cloud and Google will have all the power and we will have lost control over our own machines and our own data. Scary but true).

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TrollBot5000

If you want to see just how intrusive google is just use Ghostery browser extension and look at how Google analytics is on just about every website.

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Cregan89

Haha yes it's true that Google Analytics is on just about every website, but that has nothing to do with Google being "intrusive". Google isn't forcing Analytics into every website on the web. The website developers are building it into their websites because it's the best and most cost effective web analytics platform on the market.

In fact, maybe if you guys were web developers and actually used Google Analytics you would better understand Google's business model and realize that while; Yes, Google does make a business out of indirectly selling user data, the value of that data is in abstracted market trends, not in individual user's personal information. And as such, Google doesn't even record or index personal data (unless it doesn't really have a choice, like gMail for example).

In all of Google's years of service and with it's billions of users, there has never been one single known case of Google selling personal data behind the scenes, or even giving personal data to any Government (because they don't store any personally identifiable data to begin with). All of their user data is sold through their front end services (Adwords, Analytics, Maps, Play Store, Play Music, Play Books). All of their user data is already available online in various forms through various services! And anybody can pay to access it! And if you were to use some of Google's pay services (Adwords for example) you would immediately realize how Google works, how they make money, and that they don't sell personally identifiable data because it's not even profitable to them!

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boidsonly

I will give Ubuntu a try-what do I have to lose?

I tried Win 8 and hated it; went back to Win 7. I put Win 8 on the wife's laptop and now I have to put Win 7 back on her's-she is still mad at me......lol

I tried the iphone/ipad2 devices and found nothing of interest-got rid of both. I tried the Thunderbolt, Xoom, Nexus 7, SGSIII and will stick with android for the time being-it is so much for flexible than the apple IOS versions I have any experience with.

Ubuntu looks interesting and I will definitely get my feet wet when the news hits tomorrow.

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dgrmouse

"Let's make one OS that runs on the phone AND on your supercomputer."

This is a bad idea that benefits nobody except Ubuntu's finance department. The best OS for a phone is one that corresponds to its features, capabilities, and use scenarios - likewise for a supercomputer. There's no need to throw everything into a blender and end up with something subpar for each device.

This is obviously another solution without a problem. I can't imagine there are any supercomputer owners out there going, "geez, if I could run Android, this supercomputer would be perfect!"

"The next frontier is to create a seamless experience from the embedded world to the cloud"

This translates into, "we want access to more of your data so that we can profit from it." It isn't enough to monitor and market (eg desktop search) every action on your desktop, they want your phone, TV, toaster, and refrigerator as well.

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Cregan89

Obviously a phone and a supercomputer shouldn't have the same interface, that's not what they're trying to do. But they do want parallels between the interfaces for usability reasons.

They also want the same kernel and underlying architecture running on both devices. If they can make the kernel efficient enough to run well on a phone, then it will simply run even faster on a supercomputer. Also, then the application API's for both devices are compatible and you can reuse code across both. It makes for easier and quicker software development.

And no there probably isn't any supercomputer owners wishing it was running Android, but that's because they basically already are running Android, they're running the parts of Android that are useful to supercomputers that is, in the form of Linux. All Android is really, is just a layer on top of Linux specific to mobile phone features (SMS, calling, mobile web, touch screen APIs, graphics APIs, etc). Strip all of these mobile features from Android and you're basically left with Linux, which is exactly what supercomputers are running.

And in response to "we want access to more of your data so that we can profit from it"... Sorry to say, but you're in for a rude awakening over the next decade. Websites like MaximumPC, Reddit, Google Search, Gmail, and YouTube can't exist for free. They exist to make money, to pay salary's, to return on investments. And if users aren't willing to pay money directly for those services, they're going to have to make profit in other ways, and the only currently known effective method is to sell user data in some form.

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Happy

Yep. Slavery cometh.

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alanxenos

I used to have a Lenovo S10-3T touch screen netbook, and Ubuntu 11.04/11.10 just didn't quite know what to do with it without some command-line work. I'm okay with command line work and manually editing xorg files and such, but this may help bring linux to the masses. (well, maybe not masses, but more people)

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Hilarity

An unstable bloated commerical mess of a distro that's completely lost. Did someone miss that? If you want to see what Linux is all about give Debian a shot.

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gallison1983

Ubuntu is Debian with an orange, purple, and brown coat of paint on it. Oh, and with Amazon and all the rage from Richard Stallman. But whatevs.

Personally I don't like Debian distros for two reasons: .deb packages and AppArmor. I'd take rpms with SELinux any day. I likes me some highly detailed control over my stuff.

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TrollBot5000

Granted I'm not a big fan of unity on the desktop but I think it would fair well in a touch environment. Yeah if I wasn't pleased with what the Mint team did with the 13 (12.04) release I was thinking about switching to Debian or Opensuse. But like I said if it's touch optimized I think just pointing on the unity icons would be a bit more intuitive for me. Not that unity on the desktop is difficult to use I just prefer MATE gnome2 fork. Yes Mint is Ubuntu but it hasn't given me any problems. Everything I use it for works flawlessly.

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TrollBot5000

Hell Yes!! This is what I've been thinking about for awhile now. Yeah there's already an app in the package repo for installing Ubuntu on the nexus 7. Chris and Matt over at Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show covered it a while back. Chris had it up and running but he was saying how the touch development is still in the early early nightly stages. The day Ubuntu touch version is stable is the day I get my nexus 7. Can't wait!!!. Cheers Paul on covering this. :P

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diedrichg

Interesting because I was on omgubuntu.co.uk last night and not a single person guessed Unity with touch. Everybody was guessing an Ubuntu for Android Phone.

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diedrichg

Not to mention - the most important fact of all - Ubuntu 13.04 isn't going to be out until April!

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MarioJP

aww dam here hoping that i've been waiting for download. My plan is to integrate Ubuntu on to Windows 8 USB i am calling it "windows to go Or try windows 8 before installing" I currently migrated the windows 8 installer with windows 8 on the same partition all in my external drive. Now i want to throw Linux in the mix all thanks to Wubi installer. Just imagine having a live Ubuntu with Windows 8 all in the same partition. the best fixer upper when it comes to PC issues. Just plug and boot and select which os you wish to boot "windows 8 USB or Ubuntu" or if you wish to install windows 8 select "WinSetup" no matter what hardware you plug your external.

Windows 8 simply put live pe environments to shame all because Windows 8 USB is basically windows installed on a USB drive :)

With that being said. I can't wait that long. Well I can always update my external drive when it does releases. I really don't like unity that is on 12.10 :/

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diedrichg

I wrote that wrong. I meant 13.10 in April.

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Lodmot

The difference between Windows 8 and Ubuntu is that Ubuntu's interface is already perfect for touch, it's concise and easy to understand, and it doesn't try to be two different operating systems. Windows 8 does the exact opposite. It works better with a touchscreen, but without any kind of help you're going to have a lot of trouble figuring out Windows 8. You shouldn't have to read a huge manual on how to operate the computer.

I felt like skipping 12.10 for my new touchscreen laptop, but if this is the direction 13.04 is going in, then I am definitely loading it when it comes out, and replacing Windows 8 with Ubuntu. :3 I'm only sticking with Windows 8 right now because I love my touchscreen and Windows 8 actually does handle touchscreens brilliantly. Otherwise without one, Windows 8 really isn't that good.

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MarioJP

Funny how you say windows 8 is not optimized for non touch devices. Well I have happen to tell you that i have upgraded my AMD Turion 2ghz with 2gigs of ram Toshiba Laptop-A305D model to be exact to Windows 8. Not only can i navigate windows 8 with the touchpad. I can also use the shortcut keys as well, and all it takes is just a split second for me to look for what i want. Want to access the control panel? no problem simply right click on the lower left start screen and bam you get all the links to your system regardless if you are in the modern UI or desktop does not matter. No more start menu no more having to right click and manage. That menu once you right click on the lower left has all the direct links. Windows 8 just feels snappier and intuitive.

So to say that Windows 8 is not optimized for non touch i beg to differ.

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warex3d

I literally lol at your stupid comment.

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Granite

Some of us didn't need any help at all figuring out Win8 without a touchscreen.

Now...I'm not calling you dumb or anything...just sayin'.

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minnow4

Sure, but it's still a pain in the @$$.

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MarioJP

I don't think so lol.

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