Ubisoft Dev: Piracy To Blame For Lack Of "I Am Alive" On The PC

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The Corrupted One

People who are involved in large operations in crack distribution should get jail time. 

Boom, piracy down,(oh, and it can happen, multiple Pirate Bay members for instance)

 

If i ever made a game, I would distribute a fake crack, which upon attempted install, would show a video of me personally insulting them, take a video of their face(which is sent to me) and then launch a fork bomb onto their system.

It would only hit like 50 people, but would be so worth it.

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Nimrod

if your more worried about the cracks than you are the DRM then you have serious issues. I openly admit that i some times pirates games  merely to avoid the DRM. The first thing i did after installing BF3 was go ahead and install the Razer 1911 crack for Origin.

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Nimrod

If the game cant move 50,00 then it sucks. So this REALLY pisses me off. Why dont these shit heads trying giving their gay ass little speech over at Blizzard. Im sure it would be areal wake up call for them!

 

Thats ok Ubi, I think im done buying your games at all any way. Ill add you to the same list that EA is on.

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Bad Kharma

Personally, I am a person of my convictions. I haven't purchased a Ubisoft, Activision or EA game in almost five years. I don't support any company that accuses its customers of being thieves. 

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hastyscorpion

 

They doesn’t accuse it’s customers of being thieves. If you steal their game you are not one of their customers.

 

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gendoikari1

Knowing Ubisoft, it wouldn't be worth pirating anyway.

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TommM

(shrugs) It's their product, they can do whatever they want with it.  They don't own PC gamers any special favors.  And after seeing what happened to games like Crysis and even Indie games like Plants vs. Zombies where the illegal downloads were in the MILLIONS, I don't blame any developer for steering away from PC games.

As an avid PC gamer who has paid for every game I've played, I don't like it.  But as a businessman, I certainly understand it.  As one poster pointed out, if you owned a business and were getting excessively ripped off - you'd either change your product or bump up the security too.

Thieving PC gamers have no one to blame but themselves for this attitude from developers like Ubisoft and Crytek.

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Nimrod

did not read the part about needing to sell 50,00 unites. If the game cant move 50,000 then its a real turd. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.  was the buggiest game in the history of PC titles and it moved OVER A MILLION. Thats quite a lot more than 50,000. And yes it was pirated a lot. Should they stop making those games?

Crysis was turd as well and please dont act like Plants vs Zombies didnt bring home the cash on every platform it was on. It would be the same a saying Avatar shouldt come out on DVD or Blueray because it was pirated so much. WELL? Did that movie do well or DIDNT IT? Cause people pirated the hell out of it.

 

No, it seems to me that if a product is good, then it will still sell well regardless of pirating. In fact, there seems to be a positive correlation between high piracy rates and a best seller. DUH!

So if they dont think their game cant move a measly 50,000 copes, then it must be crap so do us a favor and keep it away from the PC, thank you UBI.

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Danthrax66

Where is the source for this statistic because it's pure bullshit. If dev's made a good game with non-shit DRM people will buy it. I don't hear Bethesda bitching about piracy. People torrented Crysis because they thought they wouldn't be able to play it (and you still can't unless you have a $600 gpu). The companies most affected by piracy are the ones that spend the most on DRM, and produce games that people need to test on their system before hand. But anyway produce some numbers and I'll believe you.

 

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/11/25/gog-com-defends-its-anti-drm-stance-doesnt-worry-about-piracy/ ubisoft can eat a dick they fall to piracy because they deliver shit products with drm that breaks games and make them unplayable. I would say that most people download their shit out of spite. I will never buy another Ubisoft game and I won't torrent them either.

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X2brute

my $89 gpu plays crisis on max at 30fps (good sale)

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Marthian

You aren't very well informed it seems. my $250 gpu CAN play Crysis at max or near max settings.

Other than that snippet, everything else is pretty much true. On Bethesda's part, however, there is often a HUGE community dedicated to modding, tutorials are all over the place.

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Nimrod

are you guys fucking retarded or some thing? Do you not realize that as time passes new GPUs are released? When Crysis came out i had the 8800TGX, the baddest video card around. It cost 6 or 700$ and count max it out with good FPS. and btw, 30FPS is total shit. I think thats about what i was getting at the time. Luckly the game sucked any way so it never mattered.

 

but thanks again for touting your cheap POS video card years and years after the fact. idiot.

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Danthrax66

No it can't play it at "max" which is 2560x1600 resolution or higher with the minimum framerate of 60fps throughout the whole game which even the new Crysis games can be played at. And yes this isn't a real world scenario of "max". Crysis 1 was basically a pile of code that somehow produced awesome visuals.

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The Corrupted One

Are you a professional debater Tomm? 

Because you just put down ownage up and down the board.

 

Agreed x4 We can only blame ourselves for this

I didn't know the numbers for Crysis where that high, my hopes for the multiplayer where pretty low, but now I know i won't spend more than i few minutes when I get a new graphiccs card.  Too bad, because I like what it looks like.

People who pirate indie games ar the scum of the scum of the scum

Stealing minecraft is like stealing a lollipop from a baby

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macncapn

right, if a lollipop is a piece of candy and a baby is a 32 year old man who has made millions off of one game.

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poee

So, do you resent the success of Minecraft? You sound like a person who believes that those who have made a lot of money do not deserve any more, so they should instead work for you for free.

I'm wondering if you have a cutoff point -- you know, an amount of money that YOU feel is still not "too much" so that you might consider the developer worthy of SOME compensation? How much can a developer make and still be allowed compensation based on YOUR standards? Is a million dollars too much? How about $100K? Is that still too much money? Please, let us know what your standard is for making too much money to deserve compensation from you? Or do you have to check with your local communist party chapter to discover the "proper" amount of money a person should be allowed to make?

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nmanguy

50000 copies retail or Steam? Because launching on Steam, and then having a 50% and 75% off sale in the next 3 and 6 months would easily give them fifty thousand sales.

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The Corrupted One

Sadly, all the developers are(partially) right, VERY large amounts of games are pirated(although console games are pirated more than you think), people need to stop attacking the devs so much(although it's not entirely unwarrented) . Even I recently pirated my first game, Halo CE for PC, although that doesn't really count as it's so old Bungie doesn't care.(and I won't do it again unless it's a similar situation)

 

Also, people are waging a war on DRM with an alterior motive, just like how the US went to war with Al Queda, they want a justification for stealing (games).

If you want games without DRM, you can get the discs from a store and rip them, what you do is called shoplifting.

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andrewc513

You may want to give this a read if you really think others companies are justified in blaming piracy as a valid reason for draconian DRM and less PC releases:

 

http://gamingbolt.com/gabe-newell-piracy-is-a-non-issue-to-valve-providing-better-services-will-result-in-more-sales

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The Corrupted One

Do you think companies want to put DRM on their games? Do you think they like it?

Let me ask you a question? Do you pirate games?

And let me ask you another question: If you owned a store, and there was a serious shoplifting problem, would you increase security, even when it got a bit uncomfortable for your clientele?

(I read your article, good article, People need to stop whining about Episode 3)

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don2041

1 thing I would not do is accuse my custumers upon entering the store, is being a thief and then strip searching them before they are allowed to purchace any thing.

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Danthrax66

The only DRM a dev needs is steam. If they release a game on steam it sells great and less people torrent it. The bullshit drm that depends on a single authentication server is idiotic. And piracy isn't the same as actual theft, because they developer doesn't lose anything physical, they lost a potential sale at best, most of the time they gain it if the game is actually good. In fact Razor 1911 is now telling the people that torrent his games to go out and buy the game if they like it, and the most likely do increase sales just like in the music industry (piracy = more music sales).

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CaptainFabulous

I was with you until you equated software copyright infringment with retail theft. Any credibility is lost at that point.

The sad truth is that Ubisoft's PC games are crappy console ports that the majority of people simply aren't willing to spend $60 on. Piracy really doesn't have anything to do with it. DRM really doesn't have anything to do with it. If the game is good people will buy it and it will make money regardless of how much it's pirated or even if it uses horribly restrictive DRM.

Ubi is trying to blame piracy for it's poor sales, when in fact the reason for their poor sales are their poor products. Period.

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The Corrupted One

Retail theft is equivelent to copyright infringment

You are getting something without paying for it, 

Theft, not legally (entirely) but morally.

Next someone is going to not equate vandalism with replacing the Yahoo homepage with hardcore porn.

I have lost all delusive hope in humanity,

I lost all hope when I found out someone needs a 100 page manual to use an iPad. It's designed for retards, even a lobotomized monkey could operate one with a bit of help.

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Nimrod

Retail theft is NOT equvevelnt to copyright infringment you idiot. Heres a hint, when you buy retail, your buying second hand, yeah. So it when you steal from a retail store is got nothing to do with the content producer as the retail store already paid them for it in full. Then then try and pawn it off to you at a mark up.

 

And thats why i buy wholesale as much as possible these days.

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rawrnomnom

The problem is that one pirated copy =/= to one sale. 

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poee

And another problem is people happily copying games from torrents or usenet feeling totally justified since someone taught them that it wasn't anything like stealing.

So now we have millions and millions of unauthorized installations of games that were never paid for -- but that's okay, see, since you cannot equate a lost sale with an unauthorized copy. Ever. Not one. No way. No matter how heavily PC games are torrented, it is simply ridiculous to imagine that this practice is in any way detrimental to the long-term viability of our hobby. Not once has any pirated game meant a lost dime to any developer. Any reports to the contrary are obviously lies by greedy publishers (copythefters) who, by definition, do not deserve compensation.

In other words: Yay! It's all free! Go torrent to your heart's content and continue denying to yourself that you are part of any problem. What problem? I don't see no problem!

If someone takes time, effort and resources to make something they want to sell, then it's theft to just take it from them... as long as it is a physical item. But if that same effort and spent resources went into a digital product, then fuck 'em, you should feel entitled to take a copy of it and distribute it however you see fit!

Why? Because we don't need a reason! It is the Age of Entitlement. If it ain't (physically) nailed down, then it's all fair game! Just don't worry too much about the unsustainability of this system. After all, climate change deniers don't worry about the unsustainability of their system, either. Denial is a wonderful thing!

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rawrnomnom

So you're trying to tell me that a game like modern warfare 3, which is based on the same engine as COD4, 5, 6, and 7, wasn't more than paid for in the first 5 days of its' release? Because the first 5 days that game netted over 4,000,000....

Not to mention that an aweful lot of people who pirate do end up buying the game eventually. So the question is, do you think that the companies that charge $60 for a game, that goes on sale for $20 a month later are responsible for pirating the game? Or is it completely the fault of the people who don't want to pay $60 when they know the game is going to be cheaper in the next month. Don't believe me? I had a friend who was planning on pirating Batman Arkham City, but when he saw it was on sale on origin he bought it, even though he already had the pirated copy that he felt entitled to because he didn't want to choose between a video game and being able to pay his share of the power bill. Sorry to tell you this but not everyone who plays games is in a 40 hour a week job. I make $140 a week, and I can barely pay all my bills each month, most of my games come from steam sales, and my friends who get download coupons. So should I pirate the game, and wait a few weeks for it to go on sale with steam? Or should I put it on my credit card for $60 with 18% APR... HMMM... 

So to answer your question One download =/= one sale, but often one download produces a sale at a later date. 

 

PS, You mad bro? You seem mad. 

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poee

Yes, I am completely mad.

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hastyscorpion

 

No what you should do is wait for the steam sale and then buy it. If you download it saying to yourself “I am going to buy this when it goes on sale” If you change your mind at some point you have just stolen the game that someone else created.

I am in college not taking out any loans and paying for school myself. I have almost no money to spend. So you know what I do when I want a game I wait until it goes on sale and THEN I buy the game. I got Portal 2 for $30 and Starcraft 2 for $25. Yes it was a couple months after it came out but I actually paid for the games that they made instead of saying “I get to decide when you get paid for the service that you provided me.” I will probably get Skyrim the same way, Wait until the price drops and then buy it.

If one pirate really was one purchase at a later date then game developers would have no problem with Piracy which is obviously not true.

 

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cisx

Whatever... I'm sure people will find ways to pirate on other platforms.

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The Corrupted One

Nice avi

 

People have found ways to pirate on other platforms, ever spent in the extensive Wii hacking community?

it's very illegal, I feel dirty after spending countless hours there.

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Sovereign

Create draconian DRM because of "pirates"

Blame "pirates" when people vote with their dollars and refuse to buy it

FLAWLESS VICTORY.

Meanwhile, I'm buying MY games on Steam, that doesn't treat me like a thief.

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hastyscorpion

 

You vote with your dollars when stealing is not an option. If you stole a vacuum cleaner from Target you can’t say no one wants a vacuum cleaner because no one paid for it. Someone just stole it.

Also FYI Steam is automatic DRM, they just do it well. What you are actually is bad DRM not DRM in General.

DRM isn’t treating you like a thief in the same way Airport security is “Treating you like a terrorist.”

 

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limitbreaker

man... it was people like me who used to pirate games in early pc history when the average joe didnt know what a "crack" was but now it's people like me who actually buy these games only to support good products since now mr.joe knows how to pirate. It doesnt help when the companies selling these games spit dirt in our eyes.

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BloodDonor

Ive stopped buying Ubisoft games... to hell with their DRM filled crap

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t.y.wan

So, you only need 12 people to "port" the game to PC? Have you play pc port version recently? They are stupid, most, if not all ported games do not use the advantages of the keyboard, have stupid problems like unable to tune the graphics, and turning off stupid auto aim.

Then, you added DRM into the equation. Are you really trying to sell something that can be enjoyed?

I wonder how many people did you !@#% employ to put in DRM and all the restrictions into something that "could have been" enjoyable.

Piracy, do you think if the game sucks, or have annoying restrictions, the game should have insane sales?

Look at another unreal developer, Bethesda, their games have insanely amount of flaws, many of which annoying and some even game breaking, yet, they have something that is very enjoyable and fun in them to keep their games addicting.

Look at current gen id games, they don't produce ground breaking games or what not, they understand marketing, they make solid games without MOST stupid restrictions.

I am not saying their games have zero problems, most of those I encountered, is really annoying and stupid. Yet, the game is still fun and somewhat enjoyable, UNLIKE UBISOFT GAMES.

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Danthrax66

EXACTLY if you only have 12 people porting a game That is why you can't sell shit. Bunch of fucking douchebags at ubisoft and they don't make any good games anyway. When is the last time anyone has played a ubisoft game?

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Mizufall

And there is the reason I don't buy Ubisoft games along with the terrible DRM they are assholes to PC gamers.

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SteveSilver

is not much of a threat coming from Ubisoft ("From Dust" anyone? See MaxPC's comments on the port.). The reality is such threats are meaningless in this era of massive numbers of games PC players can choose from. "I Am Alive" won't be available for the PC? Pardon me while I shrug - that just helps me narrow down my choices in the future and I am not just refering to one less game to choose from. I include making a choice between games that takes the name of the producer into account. To put it another way, given Ubisoft's track record in recent years, their decision to not make a game available for PC users may be more about PC users buying other producers' games to avoid hassles with Ubisoft's DRM and porting and the simpler (less expensive) programming environment of consoles than any worry about piracy. 50k too high a hurdle to jump to break even on the PC? PC versions of MW3, BF3, Skyrim in the past couple of weeks kind of make that concern one for mediocracy - if you build it right, they will come. And, yes, comments like Mettra's do influence where my limited purchasing dollars are going (and have been going - I think my last Ubisoft game was a reduced-priced "Splinter Cell" on Steam.) And one thing I would suggest for MaximumPC is to focus a bit more on game makers who make PC games and do it consistently well and slide Ubisoft down into or below the slush pile of indie games that might benefit from getting some of that column space occupied by the increasingly irrelevant Ubisoft.

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greywolf40

I agree, spend your hard earned dollars on Companies who design and want PC gamers to buy thier product.

 

MW3 will not last forever...look at guitar/Rockband (rest in peace). I'll just spend my cash on indie dev's with vision (Minecraft, etc) and love for the Platform and not disdain and disrespect.

Xbox games get pirated as well and rented and resold...how much money do they lose on that?

 

It's just so lame to always blame Pirating.

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Danthrax66

From what I heard MW3 isn't that bad, there are definitely worse games that you can play (anything from Ubisoft).

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livebriand

Whatever... I'm sure people will find ways to pirate on other platforms.

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SongEmu

... Right. EA and Activision *totally* concur with this sentiment... Ubisoft is obviously following the way of the future...

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khan4rtist

Ubisoft still makes games?? Well thats alright, I'll just buy the game used at gamestop and then return it within 7 days. 

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KenLV

And why are you returning it so quickly?

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Madcap_Magician

Because game developers release shitty games that you can finish in twelve hours, then make you wait three months to pay another $20 for some shiny armor and an extra quest.

 

They should be more worried about the used game sales, but it's so much more poetic pointing fingers at "pirates".

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The Corrupted One

Games should have a minimum limit of 20 hours of ENJOYABLE gameplay.

Even some Wii games do that.

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don2041

Well Ubisoft I have never pirated any games and being accused of being a filthy pirate has this effect on me. I will never buy any product you produce, " no matter what platform " ever again. I urge all gamers to do the same, maybe other companies will start punishing the pirates and not the gamers. Gamers withholding their cash will eventually make them change their ways

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KenLV

I’m pretty sure that they didn't accuse you of being a "filthy pirate". That was Brad's editorializing. :)

“…maybe other companies will start punishing the pirates and not the gamers.”

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