Tough Month for First Tier Motherboard Makers

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Danthrax66

Asus and gigabyte saw growth those are the only 2 that I consider top tier ECS isn't even a major player.

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Keith E. Whisman

Actually ECS makes alot of stuff for the big players like ASUS and Gigabyte as well as they supply the boutique vendors, companies like HP, Dell, and other manufacturers and suppliers. So ECS makes alot of stuff that doesn't have their label on it. 

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Keith E. Whisman

that sucks for them..

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Lhot

....would care to spend some time on ASUS's forums....even the BUS freq. wasn't stable on the M4N82...well it was at every other even number....aka...200, 204, 208,212  etc....choosing 202 defaulted to 201.x, choosing 206 defauted to 205.x etc etc etc.

I had no complaints with the A7N8X or the M2N32...but they screwed something up on the M4N82..period.  I AM not the worlds best overclocker, I admit that....however, on overclock.net I still hold the record for the highest Prime stable, OC on the M4N82, on air.

So I DO know what I'm talking about.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/499526-official-phenom-ii-x4-9x5-oc.html

...you don't have to believe me you can check for yourself....my account on overclock.net is:  Ghot

 

 

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Danthrax66

I'm sure they do have some bad boards and bad chipset but I would probably put more blame on nvidia for this since it is their chipset. Also Asus is more known for it's work on intel boards since they are one of intel's leading manufacturers.

 

 

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Lhot

...after the fiasco they call the ASUS M4N82 Deluxe (Deluxe, mind you)....I'm not in the least bit surprised.  Granted thats a 1-2 year old board now, but rebranding a 780a chipset, calling it a 980a....horrible heatsink arrangement on the MCP, and totally rude tech support, (very unusual)

Sure I got a Phenom II 955 B.E. to 3.7 Ghz on it....but up from a 3.2Ghz proc...not so hot  :/

Now the even older M2N32 SLI Deluxe, was a bad*ass board, and tech support....well...supported it, well!  I'd still be using that motherboard if it only had PCI-E 2.0 slots...that was the only downside..it had SATA II, USB 2.0, RAM parallel to the vid card for great airflow and an Award BIOS.  This AMI BIOS on the M4N82 board..is crap...and the motherboard manuals have ceased to be helpful.  I don't know or care why ASUS would turn out a decent nForce 5 board and then turn around and turn out a piece of crap like the M4N82.

I cud get a 600mhz OC onthe M2N board, but can only squeaka 500Mhz OC on the newer M4N and supposedly better board.  I could even tell from the numerous tech support calls for both boards...that ASUS KNEW the M4N82 was crap.  I could hear the lawyers heavy breathing behind the tech support for the M4N82, whereas the tech support for the M2N32  was awesome.

I think what happened.....in ASUS's rush to make a platform rather than just decent components is where the problem lies.  I'va always run ASUS boards and loved them till the M4N82 Deluxe.  I would even go as far as to say they left the nVidia MCP with a crap heatsink omn purpose to drive sales of their (at the time) newest platform.

The interum board the M3N-HT  HAD a 4 screw copper fin arragement on that boards MCP....get this....the M4N82 MCP has screw mounts for the exact same fin attachment that the MeN-HT had....I even called and asked to purchase the M3N-HT heat spreader...but ASUS refused to sell me one.  They even refused to tell me the thrad size on the heat sink of the MCP...later I found the screws in the mobo box  so that became a moot point.  But the 2nd tier tech support informed me that the thread size was a company secret.....wtH  !!

Other than the MCP heat issues (on GREAT air) the M4N82 is a great board, so I can only assume is was a marketing dig at nVidia, even though they used nVidia chips...they almost made it impossible for them to function correctly...aka  cooler.

 

Windows XP Pro w/SP3
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 125W OC'd to 3.7Ghz
ASUS M4N82 Deluxe nVidia 980a SLI Motherboard
ASUS AMI 0802 BIOS
Realtek ALC888/1200 nVidia MCP72 HD Audio
EVGA 01G-P3-1280-AR GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit
Corsair CM2X2048-8500C5D Dual Channel [5-5-5-15-22-2T-2.1v]
SATA WD 300GB Velociraptor
WD 1TB Caviar Black
LG GH22LS30 CD/DVD Burner
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W Quad EPS12V
ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" CRT Monitor
Generic Altec Lansing (2)
Logitech Optical M-BT96a
Coolermaster ATCS 840 Full Tower Case
3x230mm, 1x120mm, Optional: 3x Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm
ZALMAN CNPS 10X Extreme CPU Cooler

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Danthrax66

Nvidia made really really shitty AMD chipsets and all nvidia mobos had little heatsinks unless they were made by evga. Also ami bios s better than award bios imo.

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big_montana

I don't really feel for them, as they have brought this problem upon themselves. Look at the price of mobo's today, if you want a board that supports more than 4GB of Ram, with at least two PCI-e slots and at least 8 SATA, you are looking at paying at least $200 or better. It used to be you could purchase a good board for around $80 with the above specs, now you get 2 memory slots, one PCI-e slot, and 4 SATA and not much upgradeability. The quality seems to be much better in the budget boards than the top end boards as well. I cannot tell you how many times I have had my Asus A8N-SLI Premium die on me. Great, Asus adds 1 year to the warranty every time it needs to be serviced, but you ar ewithout a computer for the 6 weeks it takes them to effect repair. My cheapo ECS $50 board has ran much longer with zero problems than my $300 Asus which has been sent in for service 4 times now. I have not upgraded yet from socket 939 just because I do not trust the build quality and do not want to be left out to dry agian with a poorly built board that will die within 6 months, as it seems all vendors have issues with build quality right now. And they wonder why sales are down!

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Danthrax66

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Peanut Fox

The board you listed is short on SATA ports.  

Big Montana is right.  In general, they're aren't any good sub $100 motherboards around that offer the same flexibility as chipsets past. In the P45/AM2+ days an $89 Gigabyte board would get you a lot more than what that Asus is packing.

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Athlonite

not just short on SATA ports but PCIe lanes aswell who the fuck wants 1 x16 and 1 x4 or onboard graphics for that matter blurk

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Danthrax66

Yeah great you'd get a motherboard with non solid capacitors and inductors that die in a few years instead of quality parts ok sure there are $50 motherboard available too but it cost more to integrate sli/xfire lanes(i'm sure nvidia and ati are charging more for the licensing since they need to make money too) and why do you need more than 5 sata ports? that can hold 8tb plus a bluray I don't see the point and neither do the top tier mobo makers they are catering to the enthusiast who won't have 80gb sata drives they will more likely have 1/2tb or network attached storage or externals. You are nit-picking stupid shit. I bet it also pisses you off that there aren't floppy connectors on most motherboards too.

 

You also pay for the improved powerphase designs which are far superior to older chipsets. Just because you don't have 30 sata ports doesn't mean you aren't getting a better board.

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Peanut Fox

No, you could get a full on legit motherboard from a major maker.  Usually Gigabyte or MSI.  However, every now and again Asus would often have a P5K or other on sale.  Crossfire doesn't cost anything, while nVidia does require certification (don't know what that entails). 

As for the number of SATA ports, currently I use 6.  Big Montana may like more.  Everyone's needs and uses for their desktop vary.  If the ports are already on there, it means you aren't buying new harddrives to make it to 8TB, but that you can recycle the ones you already have into your next build.  For my next build coming up, I want a board with eight.  The board I'm looking at only has 7.  I've decided that I can live without an extra DVD drive.

As far as floppy drives go, I wasn't even in high school by the time they're replacement was on.  Personally, I want the Magneto drive to make a return.  Up to 9GB of storage in the coolest looking disc based format you've ever seen.

Nit-picking?  No.  When you get to spend your money, you get to decided what the value of something is.  While I typically spend 200+ on a motherboard, I can see the value in a sub $100 board that is feature heavy and overclocker friendly.  I'd often suggest a setup with a board like this to friends who wanted to build for the first time, or were looking at an upgrade.  These usually had plenty of room for expansion, and had all the features they needed on a first build.  I'm making the comparison that these boards used to be around but aren't now.

Better voltage control has not changed much on motherboards between this and last gen models.  Not enough to effect pricing in that way.  While I can understand mobo makers wanted to maintain profits, it doesn't change the price and perceived value of a what you are getting.  Considering the CPU does so much more now especially in Intel space it still surprise me that the cost of motherboards has remained high even as we enter second and third years with these newer designs.

The biggest change I've seen is the heat sink designs have gotten a lot more in depth.  Nothing that tops MSI's P45 Platinum from a few years ago. 

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Danthrax66

Yes but you are still saying why doesn't this newer motherboard cost as much as this old motherboard and the reason is that chips that are in use change, the pcb changes materials change, availability of those materials change which can drastically effect price. Complaining about the cost of motherboards is like complaining about the cost of ram there are too many factors that effect the costs to say they are ripping us off. Look at foxconn they are in some deep shit and as a result prices are going to go up on almost all motherboards. And as for heatsinks new motherboards don't require those massive heatsinks 1156 doesn't have a north bridge which was generally the biggest producer of heat.

 

And with the Asus and Gigabyte boards you are also paying for the other features of the board such as expressgate, ramOK, etc. You don't get those options with the lower end. I have an Asus m3a32, Asus m4a78 pro, Asus p7p55 and all of them work great with 0 problems. But regardless you can get whatever motherboard you want I wouldn't use an ECS, ASRock, Jetway, biostar, dfi or foxconn motherboard in one of my computers. I also don't get any board with non-solid capacitors, and pretty soon I'm only going to get boards with hi-c caps http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-11616-view-Hi--c-CAP-instead-of-solid-state-capacitor.html I like systems that will remain in working condition and can withstand the test of time and settling for lower end doesn't cut it.

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Athlonite

I'm still happily chugging along on my ole Asus M3A32MVP-Deluxe

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