Top Tier Motherboard Vendors Expect Shipments to Slip or be Flat in 2013

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axiomatic

Buying a Haswell system in 2013. Don't give up enthusiast PC market... I loves ya still.

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whr4usa

+1

...but why not wait for Broadwell? or be a true system building enthusiast and go for IvyBridge-EP eh

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ChloeGreen22

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Servant

?

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BlazePC

Been on my current base build since 2009 and will hit the 4 year mark in March. No need to upgrade because speed and performance is still plenty on the old extreme i7 with 12GB of low latency. The upgrade cycle "need" perpetrated by the industry was borderline autistic nonsense anyhow; people that incessantly upgrade were duped into believing they needed it - all for not. No different than all this exponential increasing of hard-drive space. You reach a point where your tech outreaches, out delivers the need. Call it the "tech bubble" burst.

Looks like that cycle of insanity is coming to an end, right quick, and helped along by a terrible Obama economy.

All Hail The Fiscal Cliff!

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Rift2

Obama needs to open the Mexican US border to all illegals to fix
To fix the problem so they can pay for Obama care but Obama doesn't really care.
Otherwise he would do anything to keep jobs here but he doesn't four more years with a president with no grasp or reality. Reality is that it sucks for lots and lots of layed off people.

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vrmlbasic

Isn't our border with Mexico already wide open? It sure seems like it.

That said, how would further opening the border between us and the lawless hellhole known as Mexico give us the money to pay for Obamacare? Unless I'm missing something, the bulk of illegal immigrants coming in via Mexico are dreadfully uneducated people who sneak into the USA to work extremely unskilled jobs for low pay (albeit under the table) while reaping in heinously large amounts of ostensibly illegal government assistance.

Point being, the illegals aren't making much money and they're not creating much wealth, if any at all. How then can they help pay for anything?

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whr4usa

I agree with you in principle vrmlbasic; to be fair though pretty much ever remotely legitimate study ever done has found 'illegals' to be a net economic positive overall, though they tend to be disproportionately burdensome on smaller states and larger municipalities but real problem is crime and unmonitored foreign access
i.e. iran + mexico = problem!
that said because of abortion we're going to be facing a demographical crisis by 2025 to a lesser extent compared to the rest of the developed world, yet still quite bad, which will cause a massive labor shortage particularly in moderate-skilled service jobs on which our economy relies... I won't be surprised if some states begin paying mexico and the federal government for illegals or expedited citizenship by then

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tekknyne

Blaze, you are a real idiot man. And you got rolled on that "extreme" processor, LOL.

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whr4usa

be nice now! haha

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whr4usa

you'd be so right, except you fell for it yourself as demonstrated by the choice of an 'extreme' series processor, which means you overpaid for overclockability on a gimped xeon instead of getting the real deal and lost all of the hardware-accelerated featurset and instruction set extensions which really made nehalem special; unlocked parts also can't acheive the same "low latency" memory timings as their stock, locked counterparts

anyways.

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limitbreaker

Obama economy? Sounds like an ignorant statement.

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vrmlbasic

Due to the sad state of the public education system in the USA today, few graduates of it can name all the unique Presidents the country has had (Even Obama famously flubbed by implying that there were 44 total, counting him).

I'm not even convinced that many of these graduates can even name all the Presidents who held that office while they were alive.

One thing seems certain: none of them will _ever_ forget George "Dubya" Bush. The way he is still being blamed for every woe befalling Americans leads me to sadly predict that his name, and blame will be bandied about for even decades to come.

How long does a President have to hold office before the state of the nation becomes his problem? I wonder how long people would have bought into Hoover being blamed for the woes encountered during FDR's 3 terms in office.

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whr4usa

I think you're placing too much trust in the drugged, drunk, sexed, partied, brainwashed, uninformed generations that have come with and after me ...though it does appear to me that my fellow collegiates and successfulish 20-30-year-olds whom are informed are that much moreso and in greater numbers than would be presumed externally and are more able to influence their environments than I'd have imagined would be possible as an unusually well-informed-for-my-age middle school gamer! ...the only problem is the uninformed amongst us are that much more bias and clueless ha

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SPreston2001

I agree Bush is the one who put us in this mess. Oh how quickly people forget that. Gas prices were $1.xx/gal before Bush took office lol. Everybody thinks they can run the country lol.

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warptek2010

Right. It would be the Bush economy. That wouldn't be ignorant.

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limitbreaker

at lot less ignorant at least.

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whr4usa

if our median-to-peak growth period over the past 60 years has been 5 years, our median-to-peak recessionary period has been 1 year and our average business cycle roughly 12 years then that would make this recession clinton's economy, those disproportionately low gas prices reagan's doing, the shortest recession in history with a jobless recovery that put first bush out of office a leftover from carter and all of you databaseless ...the presidency has very little real power, especially over our global economy anyways; even with it being american-led

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limitbreaker

Finally a man with a thinking mind between his ears, they're few and far between.

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whr4usa

we try

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Carbira1

With as long as AMD keeps a socket around there really isn't a need to upgrade.

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tony2tonez

Well its definitely price of the tops tier products. The competition has improved in alot of areas at a fraction of a price. Also many that bought Sandy Bridge boards, arent making the jump to Ivy bridge because there isnt much of a performance upgrade to justify the cost.

Myself, i will probably wait til Haswell Debut before i purchase a board. But if i had bought ivy this year, i wouldnt be bying another board for at least a few years.

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whr4usa

the flip side of that is IvyBridge-EP on the server side will be the last with DDR3 support, which means if Haswell were to go DDR4 (though it probably won't happen until after Broadwell) that'd most likely cause a surge in late adopter ivy bridge upgrades especially for those with DDR3 DIMMs laying around (I'll be going all-out on an IB-ep system when the platform is released partly for that reason)

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Hilarity

Not surprised. Put an $85 ATX B75 board in my gaming box and there is no difference to a $250 Z77 ATX board.

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whr4usa

if you don't own the Z77 then how exactly would you know..?

if you don't notice a difference between the Bx5 gimped chipset and the Zx7 or Qx7 chipsets you're definitely not doing anything worthy of an upgrade

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