Thunderbolt Controller 10 Times More Expensive than USB 3.0

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praack

strange - have yet to use the esata port on any of my recent builds, have not used 1394 in years- did not even hook up 1394 to the header on the last build.

pay extra for expensive tech with limited available appliances, more expensive enclosures for disc drives and boutique use? no.

well maybe if I am the type to go in for the ultrabook craze when a 500 dollar laptop would do the job that type is the same one who would spen 8 grand on the latest maingear gaming rig without blinking an eye

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riopato

So far Thunderbolt is as worth it as it's peripherals are. What peripherals you ask?

Is this going to be another ieee1394 aka firewire port that just collects dust? Is Apple's involvement jacking up the price of this port again? Or will radioshack be the only store that sells lightpeak cables 3 years from now.

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TheMiddleman

"Acer's Aspire S5, claimed to be the world's thinnest Ultrabook, sports a 20Gbps Thunderbolt port and will ship in the second quarter of 2012"

Who gives a damn? The problem isn't hardware carrying the port, but rather peripherals. It wasn't until external hard drives equipped with USB 3.0 ports reached price parity with USB 2.0 equipped models that I finally purchased one, which necessitated the purchase and installation of a USB 3.0 PCIe card. As of right now, The cheapest thunderbolt-packing peripheral is a penny shy of 300 bucks, which places it squarely in the realm of niche market, just like Firewire 800.

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t.y.wan

$10 "premium" is nothing, but in the world of peripherals, it's completely stupid, the thunderbolt / lightpeak / mini-displayport compatible port thingy on any device is soooooo expensive, seriously, what the hell is wrong with these people.

That said, it could be useful, if only, the peripherals aren't insanely expensive.

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Crunch

 

As someone who has had the privilege of working (and playing!) with SATA III SSD's (2x120GB OWC Mercury EXTREME Pro 6G), RAID'ed together for speeds of around 900MB/s to 1GB/s, consistently, super stable, every single time, Thunderbolt is a beautiful thing. And being able to fire 10+GB files through my Thunderbolt cable in 15-25 seconds, depending on file compression, but NOT depending on what else is going on in the Thunderbolt chain, as the SAME cable routes video to my 2560x1440 27" monitor by way of an AMD Radeon HD 6770M card.

Thunderbolt is much more than blistering speeds and running multiple 1080p HD streams through a single connection, though. It will make a dent into the laptop universe when you can basically buy a super-thin "Ultrabook" and extend PCI Express over a single cable which will give you every connection available under the sun, depending on the dock you choose. Those are not quite available unless the dock you speak of lives in Apple's 27" Thunderbolt display, which I was NOT referring to above. My monitor is also 27" with the same high resolution but is DisplayPort-based and there is yet another benefit to Thunderbolt. You can use your current equipment with Thunderbolt. For example, my Epson HD projector runs beautifully when hooked up via HDMI on one end and a miniDisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter on the other, plugged into the 2nd Thunderbolt port of my RAID array, which is, in turn, plugged into my laptop's Thunderbolt port.

Perhaps the most impressive part of Thunderbolt technology to me is how all of this works incredibly seamlessly and effortlessly to the naked eye. Hot-swapping high-bandwidth peripherals without rebooting or driver installation never crashes anything. It doesn't even slow anything down. I'd like to see USB 3.0 pull any of that off. With that said, if all you need is higher file transfer speeds, I'd say go with USB 3.0 if you have to choose between the two.

 

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Engelsstaub

Man, i'm a little jealous :)

I love how people keep saying it's the next FireWire. (Funny...I bought a PC two years ago that has a FW port. I still use it.) FireWire had no huge advantage over standard USB IMO. Thunderbolt does in a big way. If it "fails" and just becomes a port for enthusiasts and specialists I would still hardly see that as failure. It has greatly advanced computer technology already. Good things can only follow. 

You'd think that people who read publications like MPC would "get" that.

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Engelsstaub

I don't think TB is aimed to replace any existing standards. It's meant to be for "high-end" users who work with AV and stuff.

Would like to see the prices come down. Since it's pretty much only on Macs at the mo, vendors are going to do their best to charge ridiculous prices. That's why I'm glad it's finally going to hit some PCs.

I still use eSata and FireWire as well as USB. Usually just USB for normal usage though.

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acidic

since apple products have already jumped on the bandwagon, we all know that it will become standard on many devices soon. you gotta be hip to have the latest and greatest thing

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Engelsstaub

Seems about the last time we "spoke" you indicated you don't even have a "latest and greates" Windows PC. Were you abused by some Apple-loving hipster as a child? Is that why you can only spout off about Macs, iPods, and other stuff you'll never buy...but somehow make you weally, willy, angwy?

You never have anything remotely intelligent to contribute and it's always the same stupid non-capitalized/semi-punctuated drivel. Over and over.

PCs are getting TB too. You're not going to buy or build one in the next seven years so what do you care? Answer: it's just another opportunity for you to post the same crap as you always do. We all get it.

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acidic

you finally "spoke" to me again. congratulations on growing some balls back. i know i really hurt your feelings after putting you in your place countless times just like many others have on this site. im sure youve been hammering away on your blogs and vblogs about all this on your "mbp" at the local starbucks or possibly even filing police reports for "internet bullying. " im really not sure what "latest and greates" is but id like to think a person of your stature and knowledge in the english language, which you stated is not your native tongue, would be such a simple task to perform, as judging from ALL your posts. so if i were you, id ask my fellow english 101 professors how to remedy this along with all the apple bullshit you always spew. if you dont like the articles about your beloved apple, DONT READ THEM or visit this site as you have been told personally by the staff of this site. anyways, nice to hear from you again and i look forward to conversing more

 

p.s. are you "tony swash" over at dailytech.com ? i think you are due to your absolute love for apple and huge posts trying to defend them on anything and always correting people on their grammar and such

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Engelsstaub

I've lost plenty of arguments in my life. Not going to pretend I didn't. I'm human and not always right. ...but you're still delusional if you think you ever "put me in my place." I've tried to engage your crap in the past. You must think putting me in my place means ignoring further confrontation in favor of answering other people's posts with your continued thoughts pertaining to me. I know you're just looking for others to back up your BS for you because you can not.

I'm actually "hammering away" on the Windows partition of my PC right now. Yesterday I was on my MBP. I've only been to a Starbucks twice in my life and neither time did I sit there with any computer.

You can't address the fact that you only spew the same bullshit over and over ad nauseam or anything I said here, so just keep talking about the past which has nothing to do with a "bandwagon." Tell us how Apple jumped on a bandwagon if no one else was on it? What's the definition of a bandwagon?

You also are exceedingly delusional in that you think I have an "absolute love for Apple." I've criticized them here in the past. Need links? I know you were "there." I also talk a lot about Linux and have even said good things about Microsoft. Let's be clear and see if you get it or if it can possibly fit into your narrow and hateful world-view: I like computers. That includes the one Mac I own as well as more than one PC. One of those PCs runs Windows.

Have you spoken to the VA about your anger-issues yet? I'm being serious.

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acidic

you actually think im angry ? wow, you apple fanatics are out of touch with reality in your glorious utopia. i know that in the good book, the first good book not the biography youre thinking of, that the lord steveith jobs begat a son but i didnt know that his name was tony "engelsstaub" swash. i dont see you as him. i see you as my own personal larry the cable guy as i find you very entertaining. there is just something about you funny, fat, backwoods, redneck hicks that is naturally hilarious. i dont have to visit funny-or-die or youtube to get my daily dose of laughs, i can just visit dailytech or this site and read your comments aimed towards me. tell jeff, ron, and bill that i really enjoy your shows and to keep it up

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Engelsstaub

I'm not on daily tech, you dingleberry.

Way to throw around contradictory stereotypes and say someone else is out of touch with reality. "I'm a hipster who sits in Starbucks trying to look cool with my MacBook." Now I'm a fat redneck. Make up your mind, numbnuts.

I'm not your personal anything. Just the hipster/redneck who's going to be back to read your last-word comments no matter how long you wait to post them.

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kixofmyg0t

Im more towards USB 3.0. But anything is better than USB 2.0. In fact I spent the extra money to get my 2TB RAID 0 external with a eSATA port cuz USB 2.0 is mind numbingly slow. 

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HiGHRoLLeR038

who cares if two new laptops are sporting thunderbolt ports?  i have not heard of any peripheral devices that have this interface yet.  it would only be beneficial if we started seeing external hard drives with it.  whats the point of having the interface on laptops if there arent any periphs to connect? lol

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Digital-Storm

First time I heard about Thunderbolt, I knew it would fail.

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HiGHRoLLeR038

When i first heard of lightpeek i thought it was a cool idea and couldnt wait to see where it would show up.  but now that the name changed to gay thunderbolt, and initally was only on macs, and now there arent any peripherals that have it, i know that itll fail now lol.  just another firewire.

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AETAaAS

Unless they really milk the AV capabilities of Thunderbolt, I don't think there is much point to it. While it is faster than USB 3.0, a lot of current devices (in particular flash drives) don't even saturate USB 2.0, let alone the keyboards, mice and printers we find plugged in. Given the backward compatibility with a huge catalogue of devices past, present and future, USB is here to stay.

Also, pricing doesn't end at the 10 dollars it adds to the mobo... You are probably going to have to fork out an 'Apple' price for peripherals. A cursory search of Google shows that a 2TB Thunderbolt external drive from Lacie costs 3 times more than the USB 3.0 model (£460 vs £160).

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mhouston100

Too true,  from what I read somewhere,  I wish i could find the link now,  the cables alone would run a much more premium price than even HDMI / TOS...  kind of crappy if your cable cost's more than the device!

Edit - Just had a quick look,  and an Apple branded 2m cable in Aus (yes I know Apple will be more expensive then most)  and the cost is $55!!!  For two meters!

http://store.apple.com/au/product/MC913ZM/A

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AntonioGarrison

It's like the new Firewire.  USB is a standard port on computers and is inexpensive. As long as they keep making USB upgrades, and making them backwards compatible all will be well.  Even if they come up with another standard port that replaces USB, it'll take another 10 years or more replace it.  I'm not worried. 

 

10$ compared to .10 cents is a BIG difference in cost though.  Don't see this being picked up fully until the price comes down, but it'll probably be implemented into some of the higher end motherboards.

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