Through Sony's Eyes, "Vast Majority" of Gamers Prefer GameStop Over Buying Online

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kingdranix

If Sony ever put "Today's Deal" and offers deep price cut, count me in on digital downloads. But I still like to have some of those collector's edition goods too.

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methuselah

"It's clear that the vast majority of people want to go down to GameStop or Best Buy, they don't want to buy it online right now. I think physical games will be around a lot longer than some people think."

Looks like another example that Sony just doesn't "get it".

They make low quality products (break in less than 5 years)
Proprietary products
and now they have no clue about where the future is heading.

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Draconian

It's unfortunate to see the used-game obsession holding up digital distribution progress in the console space. Eventually consoles will transition to digital. Will console gamers accept that or will they kick and scream and demand their discs so they can buy a $30 used game that sells for $60 new?

What nobody seems willing to acknowledge is that games, even console games, are software that you don't own. You're the end user and you buy a license to use the software. In light of that, is it proper that you have re-sale rights? You only get to re-sell something that you own, and you don't own software.

I can see it now. A hundred years from now, when everyone has 10 Gbps broadband at home, consoles will still use discs. Why? Because used games rock! Who cares if the people who made the game don't get any profit right? All the profit can go to Gamestop.

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Renegade Knight

Digital downloads on consoles are being held back by...nothing whatsoever. They alreayd exist. Just like Game DVDs. The reason PC downloads took of is local game inventory sucks and online prices are better. But the PC market is more competative than the Console market. If console digital content becomes as cheap as Steam sales then it will take off.

And for the record. No I dont' care if game makers don't make money on my selling a used game any more than I care if Stanley makes money when I sell my hammer, or GM makes money when I sell my truck. It's mine. The EULA is just a PITA and when they make it so draconian I can't use it likes it's mine. I just won't "Buy" it.

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jghellion

The people who made the game already made a profit, when they sold it to the retailers. (I'm assuming that's the chain of exchange, maybe there is a middle entity.)

The only reason gamestop is making more of a profit on the product is because they are in the business of buying and selling directly to the public. If the people "that made the game" want to get in on that business model I don't think there is anything stopping them from going into some sort of used game business.

It seems every other product companies make is sold and then the buyer is free to do as they please with the product. (Assuming your not copying and selling said game/software.) The same should apply to digital products. If I sell you a Ford,(insert whatever make you like) that I purchased from a dealer or directly from the manufacturer (if that's an option.) Ford can't come back to me and demand that I pay them some sort of fee because I re-sold a product they sold me. We already had an exchange of currency for the product, our business is done. They also can't stop you from doing the same.

So why are some people advocating that these game developers/publishers should keep getting paid? Am I misunderstanding the chain of events? Because I'm sure they are not giving away the product to the retailers.

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jbitzer

First sale doctrine disagrees with you. When you buy a movie, are you only buying the disk? Can you not resell the movie? Are you only licensing it? How about a painting, do you only own the canvas and pigment, not the picture?

When I work for my company, do I claim creator rights on anything beyond the hours of my time that I put in there? Do they have to return to me any royalties from any further profit from my work?

They SELL software, they call it a "sale" they are not calling it Licensing a game when you go to the store, reselling is a calculated cost of doing business when pricing products. Should they go to a one user model, then the prices need to come down, sale with ebooks, etc. If you are guaranteeing a new sale for every user, you are making more money off of increased sales, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

It is obvious you know nothing about running and predicting costs and revenues of a business.

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Ghost XFX

Both of them missed the boat. It sucks having all of those CDs stacking up and no place to put them. Digital Download is the future.

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crazyglue

Yeah i think digital download is the future also but i think that people are not ready for it yet. I will miss the stacks and stacks of games i have taking up space though :)

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jghellion

From an ownership perspective I prefer physical media. I can hook up my old game systems (dating back to the Atari era) and play any game without having to worry about servers authenticating/supporting the game and it cant be hobbled in any way.

That being said, I agree that both options should be available for the consumer to decide which they want. I would continue to pay for the physical media even if the digital was a little cheaper.

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Fenthic

One problem with digital downloads is the fact most major ISP's have bandwidth caps. Games on the PSN can already range from 1gb to 50gb. and then consider that the average cap is around 200 to 250Gb. you are going to go through that fairly quickly between game downloads, online play, and any other internet usage you use over the course of the month.

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crazyglue

I will always luv the playstation. Though Xbox had a few good exclusives like Halo and Gears of war to name a couple. But my money is going towards a PS4 :)

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Mr_Histamine

"What we try to do is offer a relatively level playing field and let the gamers decide. We're not trying to advantage them, we believe in consumer choice..."

So...we'll be able to play PSOne, PS2, PS3, Xbox, and PC games on the PS4?

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Mungo

I'd be very leary of downloading anything from Sony after that rootkit disaster a few years ago.

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Renegade Knight

That's what consoles are. Rootkits.

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RockinRik

If I could download ISO images of the physical media then downloads would be acceptable ... otherwise its physical media only!

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JlzMT

If they are going to do digital downloads, I think it's only fair that the prices be lower to reflect the cost savings of not having to press the disc media, and deliver it to a physical location.

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jbitzer

Most of the costs associated are with the production of the game, not the physical media. You'd realistically see digital games a cent or less than physical ones.

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someuid

I don't think they should switch to one or the other. They should offer both physical media and digital downloads and let the customer decide which they prefer. Not everyone lives near a store, not everyone has a huge internet connection. Not everyone wants to trust a cloud-based download service with their games, and not everyone wants to protect and store physical media

Only a fool thinks "there's only one solution for everyone."

Besides, limiting choice makes zero sense anyway. It just loses customers. Anyone more interested in limiting choice is a power hungry nut job who shouldn't be left to make decisions for major products like the XBox and PlayStation.

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brannank

I am definetly one of the "Vast majority" who would rather have the physical copy on my shelf to do with as I please. I'm excited to see Sony acknowledge the truth and let the people who generate their paycheck tell them what kind of product to create and are willing to pay for. Instead of what Microsoft did, by creating a product that most didn't want, attempting to force it down our gullets while paying for the displeasure. Microsoft and any other companies have lost their perspective when they no longer produce goods consumers ask for and/or want, then tell us to get over it and buy it anyway.
The 'Cloud' and online purchasing is being forced upon us and I for one am just not buying it. What I spend my money on is ALL mine and I'm not sharing with online strings attached.

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Morete

My gripe isn't with the article but with comment sections across the internet, blogs and other news media outlets that refer to retail stores as "brick and mortar" stores. Must we continue to refer to them as such since the last 60 years they have been all made from drywall and lumber?

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mh15216

Troll? I mean literally the exterior of almost every store is brick and mortar with drywall and lumber interiors.(Including large malls) Are you stupid and without any awareness of your surroundings, or just intentionally trying to appear like a dumb ass to "troll?" Haha! If you are, you sir win this round.

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limitbreaker

You call him a troll? He may be wrong but you sir...are the troll.

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Cube

I rather buy disc on consoles I treat them like DVD players. Then you don't have to worry about the lame console game tranfers. oh I can only install this game in 2 fricing consoles oh joy,. no thanks.

Hell I rather get disc for music or movies neflix looks and sounds like ass compared to bluray disc with DTS master audio. and MP3s sound like ass compared to CD's.

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Benjo

I had my taste of physical media vs. direct downloads on the Wii and 3DS. My preference varies depending on the game and type of console.

On a portable handheld I prefer digital downloads unless it's a game I do not see replaying much after completion. Home consoles it's physical media all the way. I have a few games on the Wii that are direct-download exclusives that I wish I can resell or trade for other games.

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Ulrich

"The Last of Us" the newest AAA game for PS3 is 25GB... I'd rather not have to download that beast. Although there might be some here that have a screaming connection where that wouldn't be a big deal. I live close to many stores that sell games, and it would take me no time to run there and back to get a game. Downloading 25GB... that could be a day... and that is if TW doesn't throttle my connection for using too much bandwidth.

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someuid

Don't the games have to be installed to the hard drive? I'd not want to try and run a 25GB game off the disc alone. It would take forever to load.

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limitbreaker

Forget 25gb or even 50gb... The ps4 will have even 100gb games. Two things can happen with digital only, first thing is that you have to download huge files, second is that you may not download huge files.... Instead you'll be stuck with lower quality games with mp4 videos instead of lossless and probably lower textures or anything else of the likes.

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someuid

I disagree. These consoles aren't going to bring about 100GB games. If anyone was interested in making such a huge game, it would have already happened in the PC space, and it hasn't despite the huge amounts of power we have (especially compared to consoles.)

The texture quality on the new game consoles is going to dramatically improve compared to the new ones, but it will just be catchup to current PC games, and we're not pushing 100GB any time soon.

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limitbreaker

What you don't realize is that we already have games at nearly 50gb on the ps3, the games are uncompressed and have lossless video clips and high quality sounds. And who is to say that this limitation hasn't already happened on the pc? Even crysis3 on the pc has horribly ugly video clips.

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Scatter

I don't have a problem with digital downloads at all. I have a pretty large Steam library in fact. However it's all about choice. I may choose to purchase most of my games online but I don't want that to be my only option.

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HKUSPC40

Assuming Steam wasn't loaded with errors and advertisements; yeah, I'd be happy with downloading. The thing still can't be connected all the time though. I'd want it to be downloaded, mine, and done. No B.S., no frills, no anything.

The continuous push to invade your home with advertisements is ridiculous. I couldn't believe my new Panasonic smart tv displays ads everytime I turn it on. I don't even notice them anymore making them pointless.

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brannank

Valve's Steam store would be a great alternative for me if the digital copies were significantly less expensive than the physical, for example, Bioshock Infinite is still $59.99 on Steam.

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Camerone

There's the store page, and then there's the window after you close a game REMINDING you of what deals/new releases are going on (useful when you go for days/weeks without looking at the store).

Hardly what I would consider "riddled" with ads.

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maxeeemum

I have to agree with Sony since I am not a diehard PC gamer and prefer consoles mainly because I don't have the time to put into it to master the game. I usually wait awhile before I buy a new console as I purchase 90% used Gamestop games. I also wait to see if the new console is reliable. That is why I stay away from the Xbox RRoD 360.

When at Gamestop I see many families there trying to save money. Diehards usually don't consider money. They want the latest greatest and upgrade their MB, Vid,etc. every year. To them money is no object. You have to realize not all gamers live to game.

I prefer owning the disc and not downloading for many of the reasons previously stated. And I like the option to go to Redbox and rent a game. Then again I also see why some don't but they have to realize that most people don't live to play video games.

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yeungl

If they are reading this, open your eyes.

I don't need a physical disc, just like Steam. I am happy all the time.

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maxeeemum

Signed up to Max PC 5 minutes before posting comment.

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tke671

oooh oooh do me next, ive been signed up to Max PC for a certain number of years....

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Jerjef

Signed up to Max PC 2 years and 11 weeks before posting comment.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I think both companies overestimate the connectivity and online savvy of console gamers.

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th3bigg3ns

I agree, the beauty in console gaming is it's simplicity.

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SPreston2001

I agree. Console gamers want just that a gaming console! Im not looking to turn my gaming console into a cable box or whatever the case may be. Give us a powerful processor, excellent graphics, superb online services, and sprinkle in a few new features that allow us to share and record etc and we're set lol. I think Microsoft kinda jumped the gun and tried to do too much with the Xbox1. And this is coming from someone who's been teamXbox since the first xbox came out!

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tetris42

I think I prefer digital, but I'll take a physical copy any day over DRM that has to phone home. I hate any system that can potentially prevent me from any game I've already bought. And yes this includes Steam too. I see them as a "lesser evil" since they do allow offline mode and have made a statement that if they ever shut it down, they would release code so people could disable Steam DRM.

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dgrmouse

tetris42 said Valve has "made a statement that if they ever shut it down, they would release code so people could disable Steam DRM."

Please provide a source.

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tetris42

Ah damn, you're right, I can't find one, I never bothered fact-checking that. Looks like it's been speculation all along, so much for that argument.

I guess at least they still have offline mode and there are steam emulators for running many games' install files (even if not the most legal route to take).

A lot of people seem to love Steam, but it really is just another flavor of restrictive DRM. It's just not as insane as some others out there.

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someuid

Actually, years ago, when Steam was pretty new, Gabe Newell had posted that an unlock code would be provided to unlock the games. Unfornately, that post has been removed.

There doesn't seem to be anything new posted in regards to it now.

Of cousre, this isn't a knock against Steam. Any company you buy products from that will require support at some time face this problem. Online features get disabled, hardware breaks, etc. Be it a download or a physical copy, there are risks that it won't be useable forever.

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The Mac

It was definitely explicitly stated in the past by valve.

They would release a patch that would remove Valve DRM, and the online requirements

However, you would still be subject to the publishers DRM if appropriate.

I remember reading it.

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dgrmouse

Prove it. I've heard folks make these arguments since Steam started, but never found anything in print to back it up.

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The Mac

It was a post by Gabe himself in the steam forums, i read it persoanlly, but i am unable to find it.

perhaps he deleted it.

I would suggest wiritng an email to valve and see what their current policy is.

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dgrmouse

The Mac said, "I would suggest wiritng an email to valve and see what their current policy is."

I would suggest you actually read the EULA and base your assumptions off of what is explicitly said there, rather than a foggy recollection of maybe reading something unofficially posted on some forum somewhere sometime. Sorry for sounding harsh, but it's an urban legend and since it is contrary to everything they've ever formally said, I'm going to have to remain dubious.

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The Mac

You may believe what you wish, but i actually read it, and it was posted by gabe himself.

I have been on steam since its inception.

no foggyness involved.

Personally, i dont care enough to put any effort into it.

If they disable all may games, so be it. They will be ancient and i wont be playing them anyway.

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