Three Out of Four Smartphones are Rocking Android

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Engelsstaub

Samsung dumb-phone checking in. :P (Seriously...not even an Android phone FFS.)

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bezerkus

And yet when I go to any store into their mobile accessory section - if not 100% Crapple it's close to it.
The world rights itself, but poor MS does not see the downside to copying Apple's philosophy (Surface). Good luck with closing down the ecosystem, maybe it will work for them, just makes me want to go elsewhere.

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hastyscorpion

I assume that is because the Iphone is the most used phone. Since there are so many different Android models it is hard to stock accessories for them.

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Caboose

However, almost all Android devices use MicroUSB as the data/charging adapter, have at the very least, Bluetooth 2.1, and the OS itself is, for the most part, the same across devices. And those that don't, are the micro-minority.

So there goes your excuse. Got anything else?

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vistageek

I'm part of the top 2%!

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Andrew.Hodge

... And here I am commenting from my torch because some asshole thought it would be a great idea to smash in my truck's window over my note...

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froggz

History is repeating itself all over again. I remember a time when Apple II and Mcintoshes computers were huge success for Apple in education and home computing. Then came PC's with their open format and slowly but surely knocked Apple almost to extinction. Steve Jobs get's rehired and completely turns around the companies fortune with the iPod (closed system), iPhone(closed system), and iPad (closed system). But once again, they are competeting against an open platform, which in turn makes it into Apple vs everyone. There is no way Apple will continue to be the market leader when they are competing against the combined efforts of Sony, Samsung, LG, Google, Microsoft, Asus, Acer, HP, HTC, Nokia and Motorola. Sooner or later the 800lb Gorilla will fall.

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Engelsstaub

I don't believe Apple concerns themselves with "OS-sales." They have a lock on hardware and their phones will be among the top *hardware* sales in the smartphone category. (Remember how it worked out for iPods?) That, coupled with their price-points and profit margins, is what keeps them among the wealthiest corporations around.

It's a completely different business model. It doesn't matter if you like them/their products or not. You have to admit they're playing the game by their own rules and often coming out ahead.

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froggz

I agree, OS sales is not their game. It has always been hardware. But when you compare phones (Galaxy III, HTC one X, etc), they are being matched feature for feature and outclassed. The one thing holding them together is their loyal followers. But consumers are a finicky bunch, sooner or later they will jump ship as soon as one of the big guys come out the next big fad. Which is what the iPhone has turned into. A slightly over priced good phone that makes me cool because I own one.

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Engelsstaub

Even though I'm a person who likes and uses Apple products, I believe your thinking the iPhone is "slightly overpriced" is a polite understatement.

That's another reason why many are getting Android phones. They can get a phone now that matches or exceeds the iPhone, feature-for-feature, at a lower price-point. Especially an unlocked or prepaid phone.

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dgrmouse

@froggz Please explain to me in what ways Google's claims of Android being an open system have benefited you.

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limitbreaker

Are you kidding me? In every way, both by the user and the companies. You can customize your phone the way you like it from simple things like choosing what kind of keyboard to in dept custom settings that'll allow you to use your phone or tablet the way you like. Companies also have an advantage because they can compete in the mobile market by making hardware that will use Android. If apple would allow ios to run on other companies hardware they wouldn't be at such a decline in popularity but then they wouldn't be able to hold you by the balls and apple really wants your balls.

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dgrmouse

@limitbreaker I was being sincere when I asked why Android deserves favor from the OP for being open, but most of the responses do little to move me. Being able to "choose what kind of keyboard" to use or choosing "custom settings" has little to do with how open a phone is, it has more to do with supported feature sets and exposed APIs. You apparently prefer the settings that Google presents over those on the Apple - that's well and good, but it doesn't elaborate on why being "open" is important.

limitbreaker said, "Companies also have an advantage because they can compete in the mobile market by making hardware that will use Android. If apple would allow ios to run on other companies hardware they wouldn't be at such a decline in popularity but then they wouldn't be able to hold you by the balls and apple really wants your balls."

Yeah, but I asked specifically what value openness had to /him/, not what value it adds to companies that I for the most part despise. There are plenty of Android devices with locked boot-loaders where device owners don't have any way to update system software without it being pushed by their carrier/vendor. How on Earth does this happen with an "open" system?

Seriously, people flock like sheep. It's just that instead of making baa sounds, we've been programmed to sound like, "Android is open, therefore better!"

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limitbreaker

Openness has a ton of value for me, it means I can do what I want with my phone. From using any music player I want to putting the music in my device what ever way I want. Being able to use the Bluetooth function as I want without the confines that apple put down for me. Is all the little things and the bigger things. iPhone is to Android in the same way a ps3 is to a gaming PC.

Sent using my galaxy note.

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Paper Jam

For Apple it's not about iOS. It's about the hardware. They make so much more money per device than any other manufacturer because they make the hardware and then put their software on it.

And as for companies having an advantage, I am leaning towards disagreement. I have a one year old Motorola running Gingerbread that has been declared End Of Life even though it has a dual core processor and could easily run Jelly Bean. Android's openness is its worst weakness. Google has little control over their own ecosystem, and so that ecosystem is so fragmented that over 50% of all current Android devices in use are running an OS that is three generations behind. So now I have to wait until my next upgrade before I can buy a device running Jelly Bean.

And before you suggest flashing a custom ROM, my bootloader is hopelessly locked. Best I can do is flash a locked GB ROM, which I have. Not happy, Moto/Google.

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limitbreaker

Yeah, honestly that was my main disappointment when i got my galaxy note, i had to wait for the release of jelly bean before i can update to ice cream sandwich all because my phone company needed to update it's own garbage in the updated os. but i really like even ginger bread better than the latest version of ios from apple. Last time i checked you couldn't give wifi hotspots with an iPhone.

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Paper Jam

I like GB better now that I have a ROM that's free of all the Motorola/carrier bloat. It's kinda ridiculous at just how much control the carriers and manufacturers hold over Google on their own platform. That would be the only thing I wish Google did like Apple. Just tell the carriers and manufacturers that vanilla Android is what they get and hold them to it, and make them keep to the 18 month update plan.

At this point I wish my phone was more like my PC. If I could pay for JB I think I would.

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dgrmouse

(double post, sorry)

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kixofmyg0t

I'm part of the 2.7%!

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tony2tonez

me too, thanks to rooted phone. Or my Inspire 4g would still be stuck on GB.

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kenkendall56

I have 3 Android devices and love them. My one comment to GOOGLE. Get on the OEM's about keeping our devices up to date. With that kind of sales, GOOGLE should have the clout to push the OEM's to update on a more timely basis. I hate the terrible update cycle for Android devices.

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ender1776

Now Google just needs to figure out how to get most of those people searching the web and buying apps/music. Having such a huge share of the market is great, and I certainly appreciate Google's philosophy with Android, but if I'm not mistaken, they were still making more money off Apple users than Android users. Not to mention Apple users still surf more and buy more stuff. The tide is shifting slowly, Google just needs to get it in gear. Once these people start purchasing apps and media from Google, it becomes much harder for them to switch.

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graydiggy

It's is great to see the monopolistic asshole (Apple) being brought to it's knees. Today is a good day.

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wolfing

as long as it doesn't turn into another monopolistic asshole (Google) in 5 years

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Engelsstaub

Right? Apple's really "on their knees" because apparently *Google's making Big Bank on sales of an open-source platform and all of the various non-affiliated vendors of hardware that are using Android.*

Cheerleading for major corporations always seems to diminish basic math skills and fact-checking.

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Paper Jam

I don't see why people have to treat their OS like their favorite football team. It's really symbiosis. Apple's high quality products force Android manufacturers to make better products, thus benefiting the consumers, i.e. me. And Android manufacturers adopting new tech and pushing boundaries keeps Apple from becoming stale. I think even Apple fans have to get tired of Apple's planned obsolescence. Apple could have made a 4" screen iPhone before now, or made a smaller form factor tablet. But Apple's philosophy seems to be that if we make it, you should want it. Not if you want it we'll make it. That is what Android is for, I guess. So when enough people embrace features of Android, Apple has no choice but to include them. The iPhone 5s is sure to have NFC, and then retailers will jump on board and we will all reap the benefits.

Without Apple, Android would be cheap and crappy. And without Android, Apple would still be using 2G for data and would have a 100 ppi screen. Symbiosis.

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Engelsstaub

Well said/excellent points.

(As an Apple user I do get tired of some of the apparent planned obsolescence. I was pissed that my then new/super-responsive 64 Gb iPod Touches turned into slow and laggy devices when they were "upgraded" to iOS 5. I'm also grateful, as a consumer, for all of the technical advances that each company brings about through their respective innovations and R&D.)

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Apparently you and I are the only ones who see the irony in these comments.

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Engelsstaub

I've been espousing the unpopular views here for a while now ;) It's good to see more people who aren't just rage-posters whose "logic" is their irrationally angry biases.

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limitbreaker

I can see that you really love apple products but try to present your self as a moderate that can see both sides of the coin. Yet you're still condescendingly self promoting and biased in your own way. Most people on MaximumPC fully grasp what Apple is like and rightfully hate the company for all its misdeeds.

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Engelsstaub

Yes, everyone has their biases. Sometimes they can be referred to as opinons as well. It's part of being human (there's that condescension, I suppose.)

I must be really bad at my online self-promotion or whatever. If I wasn't I'd be right in the Echo Chamber being congratulated by nearly everyone else for having the same opinions.

You sound pouty because there's people here who are agreeing with me TBH.

("rightfully hate the company for all of its misdeeds." Yes, Apple is causing you personal hardships. Completely rational hatred.)

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limitbreaker

I wasn't very clear I guess because you were completely off with every thing I said but that's alright. I'm to drunk and tired to respond more than this. Good night bro!

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Engelsstaub

I have to admit that arguing in a comment section is getting a bit old for me as well. Sorry if I misread you.

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