The Biggest Technology Flops Of 2008

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trotfox5

Why the Heck is Fiber optics on that list? I personally have fios and since switshing from cable, both my internet and HD TV experiences have been much improved.

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EarthBoundMisfit

Registered Linux User #404122 Microsoft has encountered a critical system error and must now shut down. Better get Bill Gate$ on the phone for this one....... [img]http//i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/NunofyaBidness/404122.png[/img]

 

I have a Sony Playstation 3....and since I am one of the early buyers....I have one that is 100% backwards compatible (the Ps2 Emotion Engine CPU is built into the 60 gig PS3.)
therefore I can play all my PS2 games with ease.
I have had no problems or issues with my PS3..and all I hear on these boards is about people who own 360's have 'Red-Rings of Death' etc etc.
What is it about Microsoft that they cannot make a quality product anymore?
I mean one minute you're seeing a BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH....now the RED RING OF DEATH.
Sounds so final, and wasteful my wallet would cry.

Right now...hands down no comparison.....my PS3 blows the 360 outta the water hands down.

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Tim920810124

You can also install Linux on PS3 :D

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Tim920810124

The Playstation 3 is way more powerful than the 360. It's had 20 million in sales in 2 years compared to the 360's 26 million in 3 years. Killzone 2 is a game that is not possible on the 360. It uses 60% of the PS3's power, and releases on Feb.27. It is recieving perfect review scores everywhere. I dare you to play it and honestly tell me it's no good. Red Faction: Guerilla will release later this year and has maxed out the 360 to the point that if they add another vehicle the whole system crashes. The 360 has 30% failure rate. The PS3 has <1% failure rate. Calling the PS3 a flop is a statement with no substance. I am not a fanboy, I do not hate the 360. In my educated opinion the PS3 is definitely the better system.

Edit: meant to reply the PS3 naysayers (sorry).

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Antilogic81

The PS3 is a financial suicide machine. You're going to be buying HDD's till they up the speed of bluray...which will also cost you money. They don't even let you have the option not installing the game to the HDD, so you have no choice as to how the HDD is used, and that is going to be downright silly when they start filling up those BDs with much more data. And I can't even play my glorious PS2 games on it. Which to me is a huge deal considering that the PS3 hasn't got much in Exclusive content that would be considered a AAA title minus the forementioned Killzone 2.

BTW the number of system failures is very small now with the new iteration of hardware present in the xbox360 and you still get a 3 year warranty. The Xbox360 is a better investment for the books. I get many of the same great games the PS3 has for a cheaper system...that won't need new harddrives or a new bluray disc player.

It's a great machine I never said it wasn't (minus the eventual need to dump more wads of cash into the system for HDDs or a faster bluray player)...or if I did I was probably tired and didn't catch myself...but Sony has made it a horrible flop. Remember Rambus? It was better but it still flopped because of the cost of production, and other issues. Betas were vastly superior to VHS and it flopped because the company behind it refused to release the death grip it had on the technology, and VHS won that format war. These products I mentioned flopped not because of the product itself but because the company behind it somehow dropped the ball. The PS3 is in the same boat.

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Tim920810124

Caution:the following statement may reveal your complete ignorance.

Why would I have to keep buying new HDDs? I can just buy one (500GB), or delete install files when I'm not using them (FYI, you can do this w/o deleting saved games and you can always reinstall games). Also, I guess I didn't mention that games like Killzone 2 don't require installs (also theres never any loading during gameplay or levels in the game). The BD drive is as fast as it could ever need to be.

No exclusive AAA titles? Guess you must be living under a rock. There's LBP, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Resistance 2, and Metal Gear Solid 4. That's just '08 AAA exclusives. Now we're looking forward to God of War 3,  Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, and team ICO's project which is yet unnanounced (yes I know some will fall into '10 because they don't have a solid release date yet).

BTW, I can play my PS2 games on my PS3... what the hell are you talking about?

You think the XBOX 360's failure rates are small now? Yes, they are improving, but they still aren't anywhere near PS3's. PS3 may only havea one year warranty, but if on the low chance it actually craps out after the warranty period, Sony will fix it for a mere $150. Why is the 360 a wiser investment when it's at the end of it's lifespan, theres a good chance of RROD,  you have to pay for online, and it doesn't have the capability to run games like Killzone 2? I'm happy Sony has a 10 year lifespan planned for the PS3.

You also must not have read my post. The PS3 Has sold 21.35 million as of NOW (just over 2 years). The 360 has sold  28.45 million in over 3 years. The 360 shipped 10.8 million in '08, The PS3 shipped 10.77 million. The gap is closing. Microsoft will have to release another console in 2010 just to compete with the PS3!

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xs0u1x

is it just me or does the 360 end up looking like shake from the episode "e-dork" of aqua teen hunger force after you buy all the accessories that you need to have the function the ps3 COMES with? (not to mention that rediculous fan they sell for the back of it)

 

 id have to agree sony dropped the ball, but i believe for different reasons, mainly they kept pushing the release date and it ended up coming out.....a year? or so after the 360. and we see how much a difference that year was......

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anrichardson

I wouldn't be surprised to see HD DVD make a comeback with XBOX 720. You get more on the disk, plus it will be like a proprietary or ecosystem to microsoft, plus you'll still get better graphics.

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Tim920810124

HD-DVD is not coming back. What would be the point of a system that doesn't support current High Definition movies? The XBOX 720 will have Blu-ray.

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xs0u1x

will the 720 be a better designed 360 basically that doesnt over heat in a half hour?

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Antilogic81

Sorry thought I made this a reply not a individual post =( 

Zeringque
-  Totally agree with you on the PS3. Though by and large it's a great
console, decisions made by sony have crippled it. Bluray only, no
backward compatibility [to push for bluray only ps3 games - newer
models don't have the compatibility option], a need to install the game
to make up for slow loading times inherent in bluray's current
generation, PSN not being standardized across the board, and lack of
incentive to use the PS3 hardware to it's fullest - and if they do
it'll inevitably make users have to switch out the harddrive (when they
really do pack 50 gigs of data on a disk even if it only installs say
half). Finally once a newer faster bluray comes out, current PS3 owners
will need to pony up more Ben Franklin's to acquire the new drive (Or
and I doubt this will happen but you can never know with Sony,...they
make owners purchase a whole new system). And a +$200 already on the
current system, that bears marginal improvements visually to games over
the 360. And their warranty is sketchy as hell. Its just not a wise purchase.

In my opinion it
just outweighs the benefits the PS3 has. And if one looks at the
numbers it's a majority opinion too, those can be seen on wiki (so take
it with a grain of salt)

 

It's enough to make me sick.

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AlaskaDrew

I have been wondering why people think Vista is no good. I have owned XP and now Vista and I don't see what the big problem is. Maybe if I was not able to buy enough memory it would be a problem. Every time I hear someone complaining about it they never say why. Maybe Vista is more of a behind the scenes upgrade so people don't see enough value in it. MSoft has to make more flashy new crap that people can point at  and say "Hey! that's new!" while at the same time keep the performance as high as the last version which is not always possible.

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Bravo_18

Our office had some vista installed but never did manage to be considered to migrate to it. The main reason, the office will lose more money if we use vista, due to the fact not to many 3rd party apps bothered updating their drivers for vista. So if a company managed to buy a good software and hardware on the time Xp was getting better, they would not trade it for vista due to its problem in backward compatibilities.

In the end..all remaining vista OS were downgraded to XP. Point is most people have a good software that they use everyday and it never got a good mix with the new OS that doesnt make it run smoothly and most of the times it crashes the software..even some good old plotters / printers don't work well with vista due to driver support.

The reason it was a Flop, the majority of the 3rd party apps and drivers did not have support for Vista.

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Keith E. Whisman

OLED is still being developed for improved production and OLED's are popping up on small devices all the time now. Don't see how it's a flop Tom's Hardware. 

But guys don't be hating as Tom's is based out of Europe. They are entitled to their oppinions and for them I'm sure alot of them are correct for their part of the world. Don't forget this. We are better than they are... LOL Just kidding... 

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Righteous Fury

you have no idea just how right you are.

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Bravo_18

With a list like this an explanation on how and what made it a Flop...

it would make more sense for some people who would disagree or agree on your list...

Maybe the turn-out sales were low or the product didn't perform well...

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mini6090

Did you even play GTA4 for PC... it's absolutely perfect, there were some glitches for the first week it was released then they were all fixed with a patch... i played well over 20 hours on 1920x1200 with everything possible maxxed out... not a single crash... and it puts the console version to shame when it comes to graphics... 

 

i say console bitches because they are all little babies when it comes to pc games, instead of trying to get a game to work, they bitch everywhere that it doesn't... or they aren't patient for a patch

 if you think it's a walking abortion, you are obviously a console bitch

you still running on a 486sx cockbag?

 

Altek

Asus P6T

Core i7 920

9gb Corsair Dominator 8-8-8-24

4x10,000RMP raptors (2xStriped Arrays)

EVGA GTX260

Fatl1ty X-Fi

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mini6090

GTA4 is perfect on PC, console bitches flooded the forums and turned it into crap... it works fine if you know how to use a computer

Vista is only a flop if you consider it's initial release, if you wrote the list using a vista computer, then you're dead wrong

GPGPU is gonna be good, be patient

your right about iphone killers, my instinct is a peice of crapola

i have no further beef, thank you

 

Altek

Asus P6T

Core i7 920

9gb Corsair Dominator 8-8-8-24

4x10,000RMP raptors (2xStriped Arrays)

EVGA GTX260

Fatl1ty X-Fi

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kiaghi7

I seem to fondly recall that very early on, there was a portable device plug format being discussed in the mid-90's, and finally saw the light of day the next year.

At first, nobody used it, when companies did it was hit and miss at best. The nearly universal concensus was that the format would fail and the rival interface would certainly win out the day in the long run after the flirtation with the first had matured and lost its appeal.

That format, was Universal Serial Bus (USB), widely perceived and predicted to be a colossal failure, now virtually every mobile device that -can- interface with a computer, uses that format as the interface of choice (for a physical connection mind you), and USB 3.0 looming large on the horizon.

Always be wary of naysaying when a technology is brand new, as most prognosticators couldn't predict 5:00 at 4:30 much less the way that the inherently fickle tech market will proceed.

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Deanjo

I really can't see GPGPU being a flop.  It's just getting started.  DX11 will support GPGPU, the openCL spec was just released, Mac OS X 10.6 is going to heavily use GPGPU and there are more and more apps being released with GPGPU support.

Like Fibre, Hybrid Power, etc most of these technologies are just getting their legs under them.  A flop would indicate that they were failures of which those technologies are not. If the criteria was products that are not mainstream yet then you would have to include other things like IPv6, SSD's, Sata 3 USB 3.0, etc etc.

 

 

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JuiceJones

The Tom's article is refering to France's deployment of fiber lines, which is apparently is at a standstill due to various issues, not fiber optics itself.  Tom's translates many of their articles from other country's, so sometimes US irrelevancies slip in.

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Keith E. Whisman

I agree the city of Phoenix (my home) is almost completely connected with fibre optics for the phone lines. With Fibre optics the phone companies here in Phoenix at least offer pretty fast DSL service and crystal clear landline communications... (I know who the hell still uses that anyway? Land Line phone I mean) 

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zeringue

DRM seems to finally have been dropped.

Playstation 3

I guess by fiber optics, you are referring to the house fiber? or FIOS?

 

Good list though. 

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cappomutato

Just to point out the oddities in the article (Mobile Television, Fiber Optics, DTT and the XPeria) are there because this article is originally from Tom's Hardware FRANCE. Maybe MaxPC should write its own list.

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PhynaeusClaw

Why do all the links in the article preceding the list point to the same post? I was hoping to see the list on Tom's Hardware...

My NVIDIA 8400M is OK. A bit pokey, but not a flop. Are they on the list because of the overheating/substrate problem?

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Justin.Kerr

Sorry about the link, copy and paste error.

It has been fixed.

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Yusonice

i think this should be the link

http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/486-oled-hd-dvd.html

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I Jedi

The one that surprised me the most is Fiber Optics. Why is it up there? Aha. I've never read a "bad" story on it. Only good points, etc. 

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Vadi

Sorry for being dense, but why is "2.) Nvidia’s Mobile GeForce 8400M and 8600M" a flop? I'm on an 8600M GT myself, stuff runs just fine.

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Keith E. Whisman

I'm not certain but I will give a few reasons why I believe these to be a flop. These two GPU's are way too underpowered for any real 3D gaming and since they aren't great for 3D gaming why even bother with hot chips like these when either much more powerfull GPU's for about the same price can be used or if since they aren't good enough for any real 3D gaming and that is the purpose why not just use a cheaper and lower powered integrated GPU (and not Intel IGP) that can still accellerate HiDef video playback as well as offer good office 3D performance (I don't know where but I'm sure someone needs 3D horsepower for some type of office work)

Also the failure rates were crazy high. 

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MrNaPaLm32

They're not even good.

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killerxx7

Vista is defently not a flop and GTA4 just needs time.

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plaskon

satellite radio tanked in '08, too.

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petas

I wouldn't say there were any iPhone killers this year, but I wouldn't call it a flop. The G1 and BB Storm are hardly flops.

 

That and, who decided to put Fiber Optics on the list? Without fiber you would still be enjoying dial up bandwidth on the Internet. Try running that CAT 6 500+ meters too. Sheesh. :P

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Carbon

Yea, the G1 is just getting started....

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spurdy

Why Fiber Optic?

Ignorant :)

SP

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AndyYankee17

is 14 supposed to be non HD DTV?

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