Survey: Apple Top Rated Computer Company, Lenovo and Toshiba Tied for Second Place

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pet789

my roomate's aunt makes $83/hr on the laptop. She has been without work for 8 months but last month her pay was $8682 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site...Nuttyrich . com

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livebriand

Toshiba, good? Really? I know a guy with one that overheats. For HP, I know guys with HPs that died in less than 2 years or overheat. That said, I know a lot of people who are happy with their Lenovo machines (I have one myself). I'm definitely not happy with Dell, having seen a friend's desktop that keeps buzzing while it's on.

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Engelsstaub

Amidst all that bs down there I lost track of the fact that you, Mr. Lily, presented this info without the slightest bit of biased commentary. Nor did you make lame excuses (like "people who buy Macs are just stupid so they're happy with anything") for why Apple came out on top. Thanks.

Thanks also for the informative article. I am sincerely glad to hear that companies like Lenovo and Toshiba are making great efforts in providing customer service for their products. Even though I do most of my work and play on a Mac, I still use Linux (and Win7 for certain tasks) and will be looking for a laptop to replace my PoS overpriced and discontinued "premium" PC.

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win7fanboi

I sincerely don't give a flying f- if you approve the articles that are posted here and I doubt the OP does either.

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Engelsstaub

I sincerely wasn't talking to you you dirty little piece of word-shit. He's not an "OP" and this isn't a forum. If it was your stupid internet trap would have been stifled a long time ago and we both would be banned.

You're still wrong and stupid.

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win7fanboi

first learn when to use 'You are' vs 'You're' then come back and talk to me. stupid indeed.

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Engelsstaub

That made a ton of sense. Now you're correcting grammatical errors that don't exist. Still enjoying your current state of adolescent arrest and your foot in your mouth?

You lost the argument a long time ago, genius. Now you're just a desperate troll.

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win7fanboi

when will you realize that no one here giving a crap about you or what you think. and since when has anyone needed to make sense when talking to you?

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Engelsstaub

When you stop commenting? That indicates that someone here apparently gives a crap.

See, Numbnuts: I know I'm not popular here. I espouse unpopular opinions amidst rabid "win7fanbois" and criticize the staff. Of course that will earn me little favorable replies, right or wrong.

You used to have intelligent people (besides total hate-mongering semi-literate morons like acidic) backing you up and agreeing with your points. You went out of your way to look intelligent and well-read on politics and culture as well as PCs.

Look at what you have now -- Nobody's backing your retarded shit up anymore except acidic. (Dude, makes your word-puke look like high literature.)

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win7fanboi

calling other hate-mongers while spouting juvenile curses is kinda self contradictory. most of the people including myself know that you don't have anything better to do than troll so we try to stay away from you. notice we ignore you when you keep on bemoaning the articles they post on this site. my comment was relevant and reasonable but you tried to make an issue out of it as usual. you wanted me to believe that apple shits less than most other companies and i gave you a list why its not true. if you can't deal with a driver issue than you are retarded but most of us knew that already. i have had enough fun whooping your ass so I will ignore this thread from now on. i am sure someone else will pick up the fight... if i were you and i hated this site, i would simply stay away from it instead of torturing myself....

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Engelsstaub

You haven't tried to stay away from me at all. My initial comment to you had no insults and was a reasonable counterpoint. Your comment to that was neither relevant nor reasonable. Try reading it before going into a bunch of crap about believing in magic unicorns and my love for magic computers.

Just because I criticized something in past articles doesn't mean its relevant to this discussion. Get that pathetic chip off your shoulders. You're still hung up on what seems to me to be some serious reading comprehension. So I'll sum up the argument (sadly once again) sans the "juvenile curses."

A. You were bugging the author to compare a production Macintosh to custom-build companies who sell units in the thousands annually. Apple does not build computers to order. They are all preconfigured. The ONLY point you made was that Macs were expensive. (Usually...not so with the Mini. But OK.) That is barely relevant at best. PC companies selling at lower profits can still not make excuses for not backing up their products. (THEN you went on to provide links to articles you KNOW I already read, from MPC regarding Apple's legal battles. This is supposed to convince me that Apple's customer service is bad??? Yeah, that's really relevant too.

B. No drivers were ever provided by Dell or Microsoft (not really their fault) for a soundcard that barely works or general latency that should not be acceptable in a WalMart computer. Certainly not in something as expensive as an Alienware. You didn't know what you were talking about AGAIN but had to roll out insults and assumptions which begat this whole mess.

C. Then you desperately made stuff up about my initial response which proves you barely read it, saw the screen name, and had to go into "Superior Wintroll Mode" with a bunch more insults to make up for being utterly clueless on the real subject while spouting off about somethings I said that have no relation to this article at all. Liar: you weren't ignoring some past comment I made; you were just saving up your BS for a later/irrelevant time.

D. And now you're back crying because I swore a lot and returned your insults. :D I'll "bet" you walk around in your IRL-world talking to complete strangers the way you do in your internet comments. Insulting and stereotyping people because they don't use Windows or whatever. I'll "bet" you expect them to just slink away after you've gotten in your tough shots about how they're sitting in a public wifi hotspot trying to impress you personally with their overpriced glowing fruit. HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE: I WOULD return your insults in real life. I would not just slink away after you ran your mouth (assuming you even would.) This argument would go on just as long as this one did here. Until you walked away...or "did something" about it. Period.

I doubt someone else is interested in "picking up the fight." Re-read your comments, eat your humble pie, and know you're just human like me and not some know-it-all who's product-choices pathetically define him/her as a smarter and more worthwhile human being. You're not me. I don't hate this site. You can't tell the difference between criticism/dissent and hatred, can you? That's ok. You can't handle one (count it ONE) person coming here and providing a counter-point to all the crap so many like you spew in the comments. This isn't a church or a synagogue. Not everyone has to stand up and shout "Amen" at everything you or the staff says.

...and you still are sitting there telling yourself "you had fun" and that you "whooped my ass." I'm not going to add the overused lol thing but I really do want you to know that I really did laugh out loud.

See you next time/still not going anywhere.

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CHR15x94

I'm too tired to write anything interesting, so instead I'll link to an article byuu (the author of bsnes) wrote about how much he "loves" Apple's hardware. Gave me a good laugh:

http://byuu.org/articles/apple

That is all.

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rrecine

I'm a techie and work with Macs and MS and can tell you that Apple products are way overrated. For as much as they charge you would expect nothing but perfection. Both have pros and cons. You need to buy the right tool for the job and at the right price. For a standard user this is a daunting task.

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ApathyCurve

Since I build my own boxes, I'm my favorite computer company -- like most of the readers on this site, I imagine. Although I guess that would technically make Newegg my favorite computer company, since that's where I buy the lion's share of parts.

Apple? Don't make me laugh. That's what happens when you let hippies vote.

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livebriand

I guess my favorite brand is Livebriand computers or something then... :D

I built my desktop myself, and my laptop is a Lenovo.

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win7fanboi

Apple can afford to hold hands and offer in person service since they charge premium for their products. I am surprised Lenovo ranked so high. They suck IMO and their website as well. But comparing Apple with budget 'computer firms' is sheer stupidity. If you have to compare them with someone try picking a custom computer company like Falcon Northwest or Maingear and the likes.

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Engelsstaub

Consider how many people buy stuff from the likes of Maingear or Falcon Northwest. In spite of your aforementioned "premium" pricing, Apple is not a custom computer company. You guys say it over and over in your comments: there's no decent customization options when purchasing a Macintosh. Apple builds nothing to customer specification. If you order, say, a MBP with more RAM it was preconfigured that way during a production run.

I stopped making lame excuses for the shitty customer service and QC from PC manufacturers (including "premium-priced" Alienwares) that I used to buy from and just moved on. You can call it holding hands if you want. I call it backing up your products and acting like you'd like my continued business.

My brother paid a "whopping" 699 USD (they're 599 now) for a budget Mac Mini with better specs and energy efficiency than that garbage WalMart sells in a big case. Three years later he shoved a gummed up disc in it and took it in to the evil Apple Store. He had it removed free of charge and way out of warranty. I called Alienware IN WARRANTY and couldn't be helped with their goddamned driver issues without providing my credit card @ $60/hour.

Apple's far from perfect, as some may like to believe, as well. They just seem to, year after year, shit a lot less on their user-base than PC manufacturers. The custom companies you mention are an exception. Keep in mind their price-points as well.

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win7fanboi

'I called Alienware IN WARRANTY and couldn't be helped with their goddamned driver issues without providing my credit card @ $60/hour.'

Are you serious... maybe you should stick with apple and not worry about the magic that happens to make computers run. Think happy thoughts about unicorns and rainbows and leave the complicated task of downloading the right driver to us poor pc folks who crave pure performance :)

I built a pc from ground up first time in my life about a year ago and it booted up on first try. So forgive me for thinking you should be able to take care of stuff like that on your own.

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Engelsstaub

You still made a bunch of lame excuses for shitty companies.

You wouldn't have found a driver that fixed their sound card issues and latency that was well-documented and ignored by Dell. They discontinued the m15x and offered no solutions. Just took the money and ran. ...but you knew all of that because of your PC superiosity. Threads upon threads can be found documenting the problems with a computer that started at almost two thousand dollars.

I forgot that a reasonable conversation can't be had with you without your resorting to lame insults and multiple posts. Why don't you furiously pound out about three more, full of fanatical piss and venom, for every one of mine like you always do? It's really my fault for thinking that someone who calls themselves Win7fanboi can engage in reasonable disagreement.

Forget I said anything to you. Fuck your links and multiple responses to single posts. I don't care. You know everything about everything. When you stop bashing "Mac heads" you're on to Windows users who you don't agree with. Then it's politics and geography or whatever else you can Google for to think you know more than everyone else. Link me to more of your cyber-knowledge.

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tekknyne

Hah. You bought an Alienware *waves bye-bye to any of your credibility*

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Engelsstaub

Jesus Christ. I saw your last comment about iPods. Do me a constructive favor and publish a list of products that I have your permission to buy so that I may become credible. Thanks for the good refutation of my credibility.

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win7fanboi

multiple posts... btw you didn't have credibility to begin with.

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Engelsstaub

I responded to one person with one response. You're the fucking troll who has to constantly shit answers all over for everyone else in response to things that weren't addressed to you. Word-puke.

You're also the one who stuck your foot all the way down your big mouth making shit up below about me complaining about the story and thinking you knew something about drivers for a Win PC you don't even own.

Keep coming back, you hard-on.

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win7fanboi

i meant i was posting multiple times to piss you off further. mission accomplished.

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Engelsstaub

That's the only possible mission you could have as you completely lost your argument, made shit up, and reduced yourself to trolling.

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win7fanboi

You could have made your point with your Alienware story in a concise manner in response to my concise statement. Instead you started in your usual rant like manner bitching and moaning about how unfair it is that a PC magazine company portrays apple in a bad light. Also, I wasn't 'bashing' apple, if anything I was bashing Lenovo. I think you may have a condition that there is no cure for. You see apple in a sentence and you start to morph into a troll leaving all reason behind. Btw, I do believe that customer service has been degrading over the past decade and is continuing to do so everywhere and not just with PC companies. That is my response to your petulant, juvenile comment.

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Engelsstaub

I "could have made (my) point with (my) Alienware story...blah blah..." "Instead I started with my usual rant like manner bitching and moaning about how unfair it is that a pc magazine... blah blah...

WHERE DID YOU SEE ME BITCHING ABOUT THAT, DOLT? WHERE?? Where did you see me complaining here about MPC's Gordon-BS? I didn't even see anything in this story that looked like your excuses for why Apple leads in customer satisfaction. You imagined it from past comments and that pathetic chip on your shoulders that you carry around cyberspace with you. You're so beside yourself with blind fanatical rage that you're imagining shit that anyone can see is plainly not even there.

You had to do it again, didn't you? You can't ever just comment once. Your big full-of-shit cyberyap has to pound out multiple responses to single posts in the hopes that your bullshit links and mass of word-puke will just convince someone to say "You're so cyber-right, I wish I could give you a hand-job!" Seriously, douche-nozzle: more and multiple responses. I'll be back later to insult you now on every last one of them until the site mods shut it down.

I gave you plenty of reason and all you had was insults. That makes you the troll no matter which fucking jedi side you imagined yourself on. I "morphed into a troll" after the insults started. I've got plenty for you as well.

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win7fanboi

I will comment as many times as I like... here I just commented again.... just for you :)

now be a good punk and type up a page full of juvenile insults... i know you want to

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win7fanboi

haha... i love pressing buttons of iMorons.

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Engelsstaub

Admits he's the troll and still can't tell me or anyone else where he read where I "started in your usual rant like manner bitching and moaning about how unfair it is that a PC magazine company portrays apple in a bad light."

You were the first one out the gate with juvenile insults. We've already established that as well. I want to play too.

You can't fucking read, type comments in chronological order, or respond to me in any way fit for a reasonable discussion. So now you can get your insults too. Fuck you and your three comments per my one. Did you notice you're not the only one who thinks you're full of shit now?

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win7fanboi

you are assuming anyone reads the word vomit you type... you assume too much.

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Engelsstaub

I know you didn't read it, douche-nozzle. That's why you made that shit up that I pointed out over and over. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about anymore. Just admit it, loser.

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win7fanboi

Ah, it's been a while and I have missed your rhetoric. Only you can compare computer from Apple with one that Walmart is selling with a straight face.

'....They just seem to, year after year, shit a lot less on their user-base ...'

- CPUs on Apple devices sucked until they finally switched to Intel. If they weren't hurting so bad they would have stayed with non-intel cpus, customer be damned.
- Idevices - to upgrade the OS you need iTunes. If you are on a mac you can't install the latest version without upgrading your mac OS which will cost you $$
- Iphones - still no widgets
- Iphones - use micro sd cards
- Iphones - apple didn't allow jailbreaking until courts passed their judgement against apple
- Iphone4 Antennagate
- Patent troll and sue happy... just type apple and hit enter in the search at the top of the page. I am sure this is for the benefit of the customers.
- CarrierIQ - Google Nexus One or any of Google brand phone didn't have it ever.

Few articles for your viewing pleasure :

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/sue_happy_apple_couldnt_stop_samsung_selling_300_million_handsets_2011

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/italy_takes_12_million_bite_out_apple_unfair_commercial_practices

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_forces_pegatron_drop_asus_ultrabook

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_turns_attention_bankrupt_kodak_relentless_patent_litigation_continues

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Engelsstaub

...and it remains that you compared a production computer to custom-built ones that cost thousands. While the Mac Mini is comparable in price to the generic boxes that WalMart sells. Make sense now, multiple-poster of insults? Fuck. You.

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win7fanboi

Try configuring a custom build with any of these and compare it to what apple is charging. It will probably be cheaper than to go apple.

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warlok180

You're right in the sense that Apple charges more and that you could build something cheaper WITH better specs than what Apple uses. However, us enthusiasts are the minority compared to the vast majority of the people out there that do not know how to build a computer or know what the differences in specs are. A lot of them just want something that looks good and is easy to use. And Macs and iPads are easy to use with great interfaces. I've built my own PCs and use them for the majority of things I need to use a computer for. But, I also have several Apple products that I love for their simplicity and ease of use.

The reason Apple's rated at the top is their customer service and their products are great premium products that you DO pay a lot for. I've been fortunate to have a couple of iPods and one iPad replaced for free due to my own clumsiness dropping them and cracking the screens. They replaced it---no questions asked and no BS. I realize that doesn't happen all the time, but that made me a very happy customer and I just have never had that same quality of customer service with any of the other vendors before I started building my own.

I prefer my Windows 7 PC and obviously it works better and faster than my wife's iMac. But she prefers her iMac because of its interface and usability. It's a great machine but I'm more comfortable with Windows, especially for gaming.

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Engelsstaub

I wouldn't disparage you for your preferences, warlok180. Or your wife.

I get that this site appeals to people who want to squeeze every last bit of clock-speed out of their CPUs. That's cool too. It's not for me.

We can all build Windows (or Linux) boxes that run faster (and suck more power) for certain tasks if we need them to or just feel like it.

My stereo system: I could have bought a cheaper turntable with better specs but it wouldn't do exactly what I want it to do (or not do.) I could have bought a dedicated CD player with a better signal-to-noise ratio for cheaper than the one I got. But I wanted the ability to play SACD and DVD-Audio. So I got what I wanted. Same with the amp: I could have gotten a cheaper one that was 7.1...but I only use it for two-channel stereo. The one I got does what I want and need it to do and has the connections/specs I need. I don't need a 500 watt tube amp when my speakers are rated for 100w each.

At least you get it and don't feel the need to disparage others for their choices. Thank you. You're part of the solution instead of another part of the problem.

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0ly1r3m@1ns

i just saw this little fight but first mistake buying from Dell they're a terrible company, Apple do charge premium and i personally dislike them but they make computers for idiots and of coarse they will do it free of charge they're trying to build a strong public opinion. For bar bones laptops id go with an HP (id say asus but linux is a pain with their bios) that uses an AMD APU. any expensive build its my desktop which is built by my favorite company me ^_^

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win7fanboi

He pretty much repeated what I said as far as apple charging a premium and you licked it up like a good l'il puppy. Who knows what goes on in that warped mind of yours.

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0ly1r3m@1ns

"win7fanboi" you pretty much say you're a fan boy so your opinion is automatically invalid. as far as apple goes its a Linux distro that has computers marked up $200 end of story

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win7fanboi

I never 'said' I am a fan boy. I picked this username 'cause at that time (more than 2 years ago) Win7 was new and lot better than vista. I still like Win 7 but I don't stand hours in line to buy Microsoft stuff nor do I own a single Win Phone 7. If you ask an apple fan boy if he eats, shits and dreams apple he will deny it. Only someone who thinks fan boy crap is dumb would come up with a username like that. As far as you thinking what makes my opinion invalid, I could care less. Re-read your previous post and fix the fifteen grammatical and spelling errors before you want me to pretend to give a crap.

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Engelsstaub

Now you're insulting someone who basically agreed with you but, because you keep posting your multiple comments of 14 year old bullshit everywhere and out of order, he thought you were responding to him.

If you really cared less you'd realize you're human, don't know everything, made shit up, and would just shut the fuck up with your multiple posts you like to poop everywhere in a desperate bid to be right in your little cyber-imperium.

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win7fanboi

i am throwing a temper tantrum... wah wah wah... blah blah blah...

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Engelsstaub

That's evident. Fuck you.

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win7fanboi

i am feeling a little bad for raising your blood pressure even though I get a kick out of how frustrated you are every time you post a new comment.

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Engelsstaub

You lied, lost your internet-argument that began with your insults, and now have to resort to this. You used to try to appear intelligent in your argumentative comments but now you're at the bottom of the barrel admitting you're a troll when you can't get away from your lies and word-puke.

Hope you're getting a kick out of that.

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acidic

pot calling the kettle black much ? all this psycho babble bullshit coming from the biggest tool on earth ? i knew you were german due to you being full of shit and their love of shit in their adult films and such but i just needed confirmation from you. i also knew you were an MP before you stated due to your holier than thou and arrogant attitude but that also goes with being a sheep. wah wah apple is getting bad press. i think ill buy more from itunes to calm myself down and further my hipster image. it seems you are getting all worked up during "your spare time" when youre supposed to be having fun on the net. im sure you feel all cool and hip in the old half exploded and burnt down trailer that was formerly a meth lab that they put deep into the woods and turned into a starbucks so you backwoods hicks can "fit in." everyone sharing an ISDN connection blogging and talking down us mere mortals. lord jobs has been dead for awhile so you can get off his nuts now and move onto your new lord and savior timmy cook. im sure he will enjoy your loyalty and dedication just like steve did. we all know that apple products are as bout as useful as a screen door on a submarine but dont blame the people here for your lack of using a pc to its full potential due to you using your fisher price shiny things. you apple tards are just like racoons, once you grab onto something shiny, you will not let go for anything until you die.

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Engelsstaub

Christ...here come the rest of the troll/tards with no constructive arguments. I didn't even read three sentences of that nonsensical shit. Probably just more contradictory stereotypes like when you called me a hipster and a redneck in the same sentence.

If you really served in Iraq/Afghanistan, or whatever/wherever it was you were demanding respect for on this site's Steve Jobs Obituary, I wish you had gotten shot right in your mouth.

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acidic

awww poor larry the cable guy got his feelings hurt ? sure sounds like it to me. you are starting to choke on your own smug sense of self worth and self importance. we both know you read it and yet you choose not to address it due to your complete ignorance. you only proved your lack of comprehension further by still insisting that i "demand respect." respect is earned not given out and your fuckstick of a dad (lord jobs) was a total dickheaded scumbag and didnt deserve a damn thing. its only natural that you being his fucked up child that you follow in his footsteps. its apparent that you are "the 1%" and sit very high on your horse. yet we know its actually at a 15 year high of 5% and you have to really show your little man syndrome to be heard. feel free to use some material from my previous post in your next show

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Engelsstaub

You're entertaining so I went back and read it.

"i hate people who buy macs. i hate germans. i hate rednecks. i hate hipsters. i hate people i can't even see through my internet connection. i hate conjugating intelligible sentences. i hate people who can. i don't have actual arguments so i just shit insults and old clichés like a true redneck. like a monkey fucking a football. like a screen door on a submarine. like the south end of a mule going north. like trying to push a wet noodle uphill with a pencil. like trying to suck a golf ball through a garden hose. like tits on a boar...."

...you didn't hurt my feelings, Psycho. You just have nothing to contribute to a real discussion. Nor can you intelligently debate any point of view so you resort to this crap time and time again. Your only value is entertainment and the prescription meds you've been hoarding in your pockets instead of ingesting as the VA instructed you to.

The only response I can honestly convey is laughter. ...oh and you were indeed demanding respect when you felt the need to boast of your service. Here's what you wrote to someone else, dumbass:

"yeah it does bring out all kinds of people, especially alot like yourself that thinks everything should be handed to you and that you should bow down to someone because they are rich and "powerful." if it wasnt for wasting a couple days of vacation from work and missing my daughter, id gladly hit up his funeral and speak my mind. unlike you, ive fought 2 wars for my country and have earned my right to freedom of speech. respect is something im all out of due to it having to be EARNED not giving away. so yeah"

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_founder_steve_jobs_dead ...that was some dude that hates Apple as much as you, too.

You sound like a deluded psychopath who actually thinks he knows people on the internet and they should work your shaft because you were sent to wars like a whole lot of other people who would never boast of it. You have rights that others don't have because you (alone) served in the military. I respect you, can't you tell?

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