Study Says 70% of Public Finds Piracy Acceptable

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shaggybeard

Really people, come on. Okay, when you download something for free that's not supposed to be free and do not sell it then it is used for personal use and therefore is not pirating. Do you all know what pirating even is??? pirating is when you download something for free and then you SELL IT. And i know, the people in this study probably aren't developers in any way once so ever. But they're correct. Did you know as long as you say in something that it is for educational purposes then it is legal? And it's true, and it can be anything that "educational purposes" is aimed to. That can mean to teach people how to get interested into coding, to learn how files work, or whatever. But actually people, the media gets a massive amount of money. Way more than they need to. For personal use, I think that this is totally okay and is not a "moral" problem. WTF!? A bad moral? to get something for free in which i can get it for free? A whole bunch of 60 dollar games or windows 7 ultimate that is 300 dollars that I can get for free??? And it is NOT against the law when it's used for personal use. But really, this doesn't really hurt the media at all. Because there are still a huge portion of the population that are brain dead idiots that need to realize that if you use it for personal use and do NOT sell what they get for free then it is NOT ILLEGAL. But that's the good thing, there will always be brain dead idiots that believe the media and think that even for personal use that it is a crime. But whatever, I don't know anything. When I am a cracker, hacker and a consumer. 

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bling581

"Do you all know what pirating even is??? pirating is when you download something for free and then you SELL IT."

I think the real "grey area" is whether or not you would've paid for it if you hadn't downloaded it for free. If it wasn't something you would've paid for then it's not affecting the owner at all. Still, you're getting something for nothing but I think that's the true topic of debate on the right and wrongs of piracy.

One arguement that I would make is that maybe you weren't going to pay for it anyways, but you ended up liking their product so much you bought the sequel or something else they made. Piracy actually did some good for that company because before you would've never bought anything from them.

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tiger_shark

the term piracy is a bit too harsh for a consumer who bought a music album, ripped it, converted it to mp3 & made a backup copy on a blank cd/dvd, thumb drive or external hard drive, w/c goes w/o saying is strictly only for personal use.

hey, you bought it, you OWN it. it should be w/in a consumer's rights what to do with them.

that for me is the reason why those consumers on that study say that piracy(for lack of a better word) is acceptable.

i will be more than happy to purchase music albums, dvd/blu ray movies, games as long as there's no DRM on it.

i would use the term piracy to those who got them through p2p sites & sell them for a profit. that's stealing.

doing whatever you want with the goods you legally bought from known retail outlets is NOT PIRACY.

using the incorrect terms can cause unnecessary confusion.

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someuid

I am not one to pirate.  The threat of being sued, which I know is very remote, would be too damaging to my way of life.  It would hamper my job, and hence my income and how I provide for my family.  Risking their well being for a free album or movie isn't a fair trade off for me.

As for the piracy others do, I look the other way, especially after reading about places like Bell, CA, or Vernon, CA and how businesses do just as much cheating and pirating as they acuse customers of doing.

I have a friend with a small business who pays little to no tax.  Most of what he buys for his small busniess he gets tax write-offs for, even though he uses those same items for personal use most of the time.  He's bending the law to the max, and in a lot of places just plain breaking it for personal gain because he knows the IRS isn't going to waste the time and resources to chase after him for a few hundred to a few thousand bucks.

So, while I don't practice piracy myself, I don't give anyone who does the riot act, or feel particularly compeled to help companies fight it for the simple reason that they are just as corrupt as everyone else.

Do I feel bad for letting this cheating of society happen?  Yeah, I do.  In a perfect world everyone would do the right thing.  But this isn't a perfect world and there are a lot of businesses and individuals who will always take care of themselves first and have no cares for others and the general well being of society.

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LatiosXT

Piracy is just... one big mess after another.

On one hand, people think they're doing the world a favor by sticking it to the man and not giving them a single smidge of their money.

On the other hand, it also hurts those who actually worked on said product.

But if we don't consider things like music, movie, and software to be a tangible product to be stolen, then the only other way to describe this entity is that it's the end result of a service that was offered.

And I could go on about how piracy in the end is screwing over the legitimate customer, who have to deal with the bullcrap that pirates don't.

Ultimately though, it boils down to one thing: I can get something that costs money for free, and I can get away with it. If I can do that with something else then I would definitely be doing it again and again.

But I don't anymore. Because I grew some mindset that piracy creates a godawful psychology that doesn't help society.

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Morichalion

I'm wondering what fraction of that 70% are actually involved in any sort of content creation. How many of them are writers, artists, or coders? My guess would be very close to 100% of that 70% are exclusively content consumers. That's just a guess, though.

I'm not much of a writer. I've put enough letters on paper to know it requires talent and effort to write anything worthwhile. 

I'm not much of a visual artist. I've spent loads of time playing with Blender to know that it takes time to do anything worthwhile with 3d art. I play around with the gimp, sometimes, not very good at that, either. 

Trying to do these things have made me appreciate the kind of work that goes into content creation. Music, video games, movies, all of them.

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momurda

 I may pirate because I feel if I bought something I should get the use out of it. Things like movies that are on VHS and games that have DRM (cough UBSOFT) that's completely unfair music I once owned ECT. I paid for these things and they want me to buy them again??? Nope sorry gave you guys my money already and no matter what they say I BOUGHT it I didn't RENT it.

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iwrk4dedpr

Pirateing is socially acceptable to 70%..  Well my personal belief is this...  Stealing is wrong no matter who does it or why.  Funny thing, probably, is that if you asked that same 70% that if they created something that could make them money and someone else came along and sold a copy of that "thing" and did it cheaper faster better what have you... I'd be willing to bet  a months salary that they'd be in court so fast make your head spin.

 

Funny thing about how ethics as applied by me versus ethics which effect me are different.. I guess it just matters which way the action is going.. It's ok to steal if I'm the one stealing.... It's not ok to steal if I'm the one being stolen from.

I wonder how much better this world would be if people would stop to wonder... I'm about to do if A were to be done to me would I feel that is right or wrong? Then act accordingly.

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ShyLinuxGuy

I think that the public majority finds it okay *because* they feel that the media companies are making a great profit. There's truth in that, but that doesn't necessarily excuse that piracy is completely right.

I will admit that I used to pirate back in 7th-9th grade or whatever, but for one, that's because I wasn't able to buy everything that I downloaded (like other kids in this age range--allowance from your parents only goes so far). Secondly, it kind of freaked me out how people were being sued for millions for a few songs. Lastly, one of the media companies' first reactions to losing sales due to piracy (or maybe any other factor) would involve reducing royalties.

I do, however, disagree that the companies with digital intellectual properties (software, music, movies, e-books, etc) are NOT in danger of losing profit or becoming bankrupt. I also disagree that piracy is equated with stealing, since there is no physical, TANGIBLE good to be stolen. Lastly, I disagree with the penalties for a relatively small infringement. Downloading one movie and uploading it to even 100 people isn't going to cause significant damage. I also must say I disagree with companies having fits over hacks not immediately related to piracy, like Sony and George Hotz and the until-recent jailbreaking debacle with Apple. Sure, it is true that hardware hacks can allow piracy, but it's more often used to open up features. Unless the intent on behalf of the *developer*, not the users, condones piracy, these companies should shut up, and maybe get involved--even Microsoft is actively fine with users hacking the Kinect. Why should Sony act differently?

End of rant (I didn't intend to have one, but I just had to).

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knighttoday

Bottom line is I don't trust corporations, so all the chatter about piracy is just that, chatter. I have seen enough lies come out of Corporations that I simply will not trust anything they say without verification. So far I've seen no verification that piracy is an issue to anyone except corporations. And they are not doing anything which cause me, the consumer, to trust them or work with them. In fact what I am currently doing in refusing to buy music or movies. Screw the Entertainment industry, I don't need you, you need me.

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knighttoday

Bottom line is I don't trust corporations, so all the chatter about piracy is just that, chatter. I have seen enough lies come out of Corporations that I simply will not trust anything they say without verification. So far I've seen no verification that piracy is an issue to anyone except corporations. And they are not doing anything which cause me, the consumer, to trust them or work with them. In fact what I am currently doing in refusing to buy music or movies. Screw the Entertainment industry, I don't need you, you need me.

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Byrone4908

I still buy music, and I'm also grateful for p2p for allowing me to get some of my lost, purchased, music back. (8 tracks and cassetts were expesive back in my day) Just wish I still had all those receipts.

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TripsToWin

It's wrong, sure.  It's wrong like driving 10 miles over the speed limit is wrong.  And like speeding, society isn't going to cast you out for it.

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bautrey

10 over isn't wrong

20 over is pushing ur luck

and 30 over, yea... thats wrong.

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bling581

Where do you live? In WI you're lucky if you don't get pulled over going 10 over the limit. 15-20 over and you're definately getting pulled over. I think most of society finds that 5 over is okay. Some may find 10 over okay but anything after is just unsafe.

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ddimick

The rationalizations are really interesting. Mostly people will say that the cost of an item is higher than their perceived value of that item. In other words, something costs $10, but they think it is only worth $5, so somehow in their mind it's perfectly fine to pay $0. I can't quite wrap my head around it.

 

The other, even weirder argument, is that since digital copies cost $0 to duplicate, they should cost $0 to purchase.

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Danthrax66

I pirate because the music industry needs to collapse. I hate their business model and how they project a lot of talentless performers as super stars. I also hate how they take the talented ones for a ride where they end up making next to nothing per album sold. That being said: I will go to concerts of bands I like and buy their merchandise in which they get most of the profits. I will also buy independent releases. It has nothing to with percieved value and everything to do with the fact that artist get ripped off when they sign on to a record label and they make most of their money through other means. So by pirating you aren't really stealing much from an artist just from the record companies. Is it wrong? Yes. Does it make a statement? Hell yes.

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ddimick

"Is it wrong? Yes. Does it make a statement? Hell yes."

 

Here's the problem with your rationale. The statement you are sending is not "Pay artists more", its "The stuff you're selling has value to me (otherwise you wouldn't bother pirating it), but I'm a thief who doesn't want to pay for it."

 

It's self-delusional to believe that you are somehow helping the artist by paying them nothing instead of something.

 

A much, much more powerful message is to not buy AND not pirate. That tells them their product and/or cost model is valueless, and they need to fix it. By pirating instead, you're telling them they need to fix piracy.

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schneider1492

before i start i just want to say i have not pirated a song since i was 16

so if a cd costs $16 at Walmart, and out of the cd the person who actually wrote the songs, sung the song, played the guitar... they get like $1 a cd. so if they sell a million cd's that's a $1000000.00. i guarantee the execs make at least double that before lunch every day.

but that's not what they actually get...

the record company fronts them $1500000 like a loan when they finish recording. as the royalties fail to meat the money fronted to the band the record company writes it off as a loss and the band is considered "unrecouped". the money is than taken out of the fronted money for the next album and so on. this is how any artist that cannot get out from under a label soon gets owned by said label. its indentured servitude, last time i checked that was illegal in the states. also most labels don't include in the contract for royalties from online sales to count towards "recouping" expected sales and don't even keep accurate records as to online sales of albums and therefor couldn't even give bands royalties they are due for online sales even if they where "recouped".

we all know this goes on in the back of our minds so how can we feel guilt for stealing from crooks that make more money sneezing than i may see in my life, especially knowing its not hurting an artist because there "unrecouped" anyway.

for a nice read on the subject.

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Lytesson

Yeah I totally agree. I would pay good money to see a band that I like and buy some items while I am there.. If the bad is good they will make the money.

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Lytesson

Yeah I totally agree. I would pay good money to see a band that I like and buy some items while I am there.. If the bad is good they will make the money.

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Lytesson

Yeah I totally agree. I would pay good money to see a band that I like and buy some items while I am there.. If the bad is good they will make the money.

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carage

Who doesn't like easily available free stuff?

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TripsToWin

Who doesn't like easily available specific replicated orders of electrons?

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knexkid

This reminds me of a foxtrot comic, "You are downloading a random stream of 1s and 0s....any resemblance to a full retail copy of Windows 98 is ENTIRELY coincidental" (that's teh gist of it)

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Asterixx

And rationalizes this to Peter by saying "I'm guessing they don't teach probability in law school", or something to that effect. Gotta love Foxtrot, though I wish it hadn't gone Sunday Only...

On the piracy front: I may be wrong, but I think that a great deal of piracy has more to do with convenience than it does with people wanting to get stuff without paying. It is simply easier to download a movie than it is to get in the car, drive to the video store, rent the movie you want (if it's even there), go home, watch it, then return it. And until Netflix and the like popped up the only practical way to do this was to steal it. Personally speaking, I no longer feel compelled to hit bittorrent when I can legally and conveniently watch as many movies as I want for eight bucks a month...

Same goes for music. If I want a song it's now easier to find it on iTunes (Or the legal equivalent of your choice) and pay a buck or so than it is to find and download the torrent. And now there's no DRM I can put a copy on my phone, my iPod, and I can load it onto a thumb drive and stick it into the car stereo.

It was inconvenience and the "My way or nothing at all" attitude of the RIA and MPAA that started the piracy problem to begin with. Now they've finally embraced technology a lot of people no longer feel compelled to steal for the sake of convenience...

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