Steve Ballmer Suggests Microsoft Has No Backup Plan if Windows 8 Fails

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yammerpickle2

Bill Gates and the MS board needs to go get somebody like John Carmack to run MS. Ballmer is like the Uncle Fester of CEOs. He thinks sticking a light bulb in his mouth means he has a brilliant idea. Trying to make MS out Apple, Apple is not going to work. How about focusing on tight efficent code that makes system quicker, uses less system resources, and is more robust against malware, etc.

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don2041

In the year 1670 the Hudson Bay Company was formed. They stayed in buisness for over 300 years because they GAVE THE PEOPLE what they wanted FURS! MS should take note of their way.

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Nimrod

all the idiot hates can be damned. IN another year MPC will go back and give this product an 8 or 9. The new thread scheduler and other improvements will prove to be to large to overlook.

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praack

I was actually surprised when Max PC scored Win 8 with a 7/10 since it deserved a lower score.

score should have been 5/10 for the unfinished user interface and the application no one really wants.

As for business - most are continueing the slow move to Win 7- no thought of Win 8 - and no need for tablets in the workforce- unless you are in labs and maybe in the shipping arena. and even those areas are not the RTM types but the ones that need to use real applications- not cut down Apps.

big thing for everyone is to start buying your extra win 7 copies (oem's marked dell etc are ok they load up fine) as they will not be availble once win 8 ships in october if MS follows normal custom

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Granite

There really IS no backup plan. They don't need one.

They are going to make their money on Win8. In a year it'll be on millions of computers. Monitor manufacturers are going to make less expensive touch screen monitors. Software producers are going to put the polish on their voice recognition stuff.

Those of you who stay with XP, Vista, Win7...or those who make the stupid move to Linux...you'll be stuck with your keyboards and rats while everyone else moves on.

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Nimrod

you are correct that 8 will be popular but you are a complete and total moron if your think the keyboard and mouse is going away.

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maxeeemum

I think there is a backup plan but he won't admit it. M$ recently announced that it will let those unhappy with Win8 can downgrade to Win7 or even Vista. So it's a win/win for M$ no matter what. The real reason for Win8 is to sell tablets and more importantly smart phones.

You see M$ just hasn't made enough money and they can't stand that crApple is bigger than them now. I believe M$ wants to get more into smart phones because they see dollars. But unfortunately for them W8 has established such a bad rap to date it will hurt all their new products. But no matter what M$, as always, will declare success.

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/technology/2012/09/07/apple-iphone/index.html?iid=HP_LN

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b_c_pc

Sorry that this is a bit off topic, but that picture of Ballmer kind of remindes me of a geriatric Pillsbury Doughboy...

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Megazell

Windows XP has been great. Probably the best experience I ever had with an OS in the 28 years I've been a Computer User. I still use it to this day and I will continue to do so until the wheels fall off. My games run like water, I can communicate with ease to family, friends and so forth. Watch my shows...etc. I never saw a reason to upgrade to 7. I see even less reason to go to 8. But from the direction MS is going...I have long decided that when XP fails me...the family and I will be migrating (already started 6 out of 8 machines at home run the penguin) to Linux. Thanks but no thanks MS.

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Nimrod

Then you have obviously never installed and used 7 for more than a week. I will absolutely never go back to XP. The way drivers are handled in that OS was total shit even when it was new. You might as well go back to DOS

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livebriand

That'll be a bit of a problem for him - hasn't he listened to ANY of our complaints against metro? Gee, let people disable metro and earn a ton of sales, or don't and have it fail. Hmm... the latter sounds like a great option for them, right? (/s)

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rwbojotquez

Microsoft is in a good position to try somethige new because windows 7 has been great for them. If they would have done this after Vista then Redmond we have a problem. Welcome competition, I need competitive prices for my wallet.

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cc3d

first, What CEO would EVER say there was a plan B? It is just plain stupid to think that the CEO of all people would show any hesitation at the potential success of a new product. I'm sure there is a plan B, but even the acknowledgement of it would send signals to Wall Street!

Use your brain just a little here.

Also, Vista was a financial success for MS. They made plenty of $$ with it. It's a fact.

While many people are jut plain scared of change, Windows 8 is a great O/S evolution to Windows 7! Like anything, you have to adapt just a bit! People are so chicken-shit of change and those people should buy an Apple product. You can be sure Apple will not make any major changes anytime soon.

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tekknyne

+1. Fanboy or not, he makes a great point. I'm looking forward to Windows 8.

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Engelsstaub

I like how you topped off your rousing chorus of gushing fanboyism with a pointless shot at Apple. Pretty sure it's not Mac-users who are doing all the complaining about Windows 8 or the UI formerly known as Metro.

...I actually like and plan on getting a copy of Windows 8 too. That doesn't mean others don't have a legitimate reason of their own for disliking it.

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maxim23

Quit ragging on Vista, it does it`s job albeit can be frustrating at times. As for win 8 - no thanks. I don`t need any more frustration and all reviews I've seen say it takes too long to learn the interface.

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gmvolk

As more manufacturers start building Surface tablets and convertibles and the like, Win 8 will probably be a success. It will fail on the desktop, and it will fail as an upgrade path for most of us using Win 7(or XP in some cases). It will not work in a business environment, as Win 7 is still not the norm in businesses. At best it will be a mediocre OS with most problems finally worked out in Win 9. This, in my opinion, is a test by MS as was Vista, to work out what needs to be fixed for the real version.

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firefox91

I will just wait for Windows 9 where I am not forced to use a tablet interface when I am not working on a tablet. This mouse over here, this keyboard over there... yeah they let you do stuff faster. Don't handicap them because tablets like to be given the finger.

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mattatooski

I hate to break it to you, but Win9 will probably be worse. In 3 or 4 yrs, once all other software companies like Adobe, Mozilla, all the game companies and all the the millions of other programmers have created apps which run optimized on the metro experience, there will be no need to have the fractured metro/desktop at all. I predict that Win9 will nothing but metro with a very big app store .....

I hope i'm wrong though .....

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Vvulf

Windows 7 is the next Windows XP. It will hang on well beyond its original termination of support date. Windows 8 is the next Windows Vista. No intelligent business environment will use it and the vast majority of desktop/laptops will skip it entirely. It may work for tablets and that's where M$ will tout its numbers but they will also still be behind Android and iOS devices.

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Xenite

It's like Bill left his retarded brother in control of his company.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I'd suggest that he is generally too coked-up to know what the hell Microsoft is doing, or will do in the future. He is out of touch with the customer base and more intent on ruining his competition than creating quality products. There's a reason Forbes named him as one of the worst CEO's of a publicly-traded company.

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tekknyne

+1. Sounds like you have done more research than I have. Plus I always love a good cocaine jab.

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whiznot

Although I like my monitor I can't imagine why I'd ever want to fondle it. Touch screens will be a boon for orthopedic doctors dealing with arm, back and shoulder problems.

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Granite

Until a year ago I didn't own a smart phone. Then I got one and found out I LIKED stroking that thing...I just hated trying to type on it. But I was lucky, I can talk to it. That helps a lot.

So, I got a tablet and found that it was better at the things I did with my phone...except make phone calls. Now I find myself stroking and talking to my tablet a lot.

Then, a funny thing happened. I was at my son's house doing something on his computer and found myself trying to stroke and talk to that stupid thing. My son thought it was funny as hell.

When prices of 27" touch screen monitors come down to my range, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of stroking that baby.

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Jaeger_CDN

I find it somewhat ironic that all through my childhood my folks were always yelling at me to not sit so close to the TV and now you have to sit within 1 or 2 feet of it and smear your greasy fingers all over it in order to use it the way microsoft dictates you should for the 'optimum experience'.

I agree with touch screens in things like tablets or phones but I can't imagine a gaming session where you have to put your 27" monitor in your lap and then have at it. God forbid you like to game with 2 or more monitors. People would also have to learn a bit of self control incase they like to rage quit as well otherwise they'll be replacing monitors quite frequently. This is unless someone comes up with a WiiU type secondary interface but then you may as well just play a console.

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Granite

I foresee motion detection being beefed up for the PC, as well.

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Jaeger_CDN

double post ... sorry

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Scatter

The problem is that it won't fail. Not because it looks to be a great OS but because every manufacturer of PCs and laptops in the world will be forced to preload it in order to sell their products and Microsoft knows this. Most people don't buy Windows, they get it with a computer purchase.

They'll also release something like a DirectX update that will unnecessarily require windows 8 and force gamers to update if they want to play the latest games and play them at the highest settings.

You watch, I don't use Internet Explorer but I'm sure the next version won't run on Windows 7 for some mysterious reason.

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Xenite

Bad logic, if that was true Vista would have been a success.

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Scatter

Define success. Sure people hated it but I bet that it still had great sales numbers because people automatically got it with every new PC purchased. That's the point, it doesn't matter Windows 8 sucks since every average consumer who needs a computer will end up indirectly purchasing it anyway.

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Xenite

Except many consumers were calling up manufacturers and demanding downgrades to XP. It got so bad that Dell even brought back XP as an option for new system.

Vista adoption rates are dismal. Most people either kept XP or waited for windows 7.

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Scatter

Honestly I hope that you're right and that public opinion has some sort of influence on Microsoft.

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markly86

Never buy an even numbered Microsoft OS. Win5(XP) good - WIN6(Vista)bad - Wind7 good - Wind8 bad - Wait for Win9.

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immersive

Microsoft is in the perfect condition to try something this bold. They have almost everyone transitioned from XP to windows 7 and them people are happy campers.

Microsoft of course knows most people will stick with windows 7 for many years to come just like with xp so while they continue to make money on windows 7 they have free time to play and innovate. Microsoft would really be stupid if they didn't take this opportunity presented to them.

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Device Unknown

I have to concur. MS is exactly that. Able to force consumers into anything they want.Their OS is on what, like 98% of all PC's in the world? MS has a long term plan. In theory I like the plan. I love the continuity of having 1 OS among all my hardware platforms, but they are going about it wrong according to popular belief. They need to act more like our government and guns. Slowly, little piece by little piece take away our rights, then in 5 years BAM, we're left with BB guns for personal protection. Same with an OS and drastic UI changes. Piece by piece not ALL at once.

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JLloyd13

in the pic he looks like he's high

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ApathyCurve

His back-up plan is to stick a light bulb in his mouth and wiggle his eyebrows.

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Jeffredo

They could have implemented all the performance improvements without reinventing the wheel that billions use every day. Trying to force a mobile touch screen interface on everyone will fail (and will most likely be fixed with a service pack).

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Granite

I expect prices for touch screen monitors to drop...a lot...soon after Win8 comes out.

That's when I'll put it on my desktop system.

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Blackheart-1220

My backup plan if Win8 fails is sticking to Win7. ^_^

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medhawk

I agree.....I have Win 7 on one machine and my other 2 run Linux which works just wonderfully for what I do.

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Thresher

Consumers will use what's on their PCs. Most folks don't go through the process of upgrading their OS.

But where MS is most vulnerable is at the enterprise. Many organizations are just now moving XP out and Win 7 in. I don't see many companies turning around to put Win 8 on any time soon.

To make it worse, I don't think too many enterprise buyers are going to be fond of the Metro (for lack of a better term) interface at all. With all the software used, much of it legacy, that interface has the possibility of really reducing usability and therefore productivitiy. Having to teach grandma how to use a new interface is one thing, but having to teach 10000+ non-technical people how to use it is an entirely different matter.

The sad thing is that this could be fixed out of the box so simply. Just give the option to turn off Metro. If app development takes off for it, then good. If it doesn't, then there is a fall back position. Forcing Metro onto the corporate and enterprise market is a huge, huge gamble.

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wolfing

I wonder if I should short shares of Microsoft. Before Windows 7 came, and knowing how good it was, I bought Microsoft shares (right in the start of the recession). During those harsh months where all my stocks were plummeting down, Microsoft was going up with their good results from Windows 7. I sold it all when I felt the curve from W7 was flattening (before W8 was announced).

Now I feel completely the opposite. I'm thinking on shorting Microsoft stock (for those who don't know, that's like 'betting' that the stock will go down). What do you guys think?

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Granite

If you are looking at very short term...say 6 months to a year, I'd say go for it. But if you wait longer than that, you'll lose.

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TechLarry

This is why when MS flops, it flops big. It simply doesn't listen. People have been complaining, in huge numbers, about the changes in Windows 8 since it was first seen yet they don't listen. All they had to do was keep the Win7 interface as an option, and everyone would have been happy.

But no. Ballmer knows best. Hopefully, the shareholders will demand his head on a platter after this is over. It's time for this guy to step down. He's totally out of touch with his customers and doesn't give a shit about it.

This reminds me so much of what Chris Bangle did to BMW.

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Straegen

This reminds me of when the MS server and desktop editions felt entirely different. My guess is we are headed the same route and hopefully the server variants won't leave out features like DirectX so we can get a nice desktop without all the "Windows 8" UI mess.

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loozer

The plan is to keep releasing W7 until the design teams can design something that's not messed up. Then the rest of the plan is for the board to sack Ballmer and Sinfosky.

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therestorestore

All they have to do is keep windows 7 for sale and bundle windows 8 with everything pre-built until it begins to get a comparable install base as windows 7.

Then, announce a generous EOL for windows 7 in such a way as to not freak everyone out like they did with XP.

Maybe, EOL W7 around 2020. LOL.

From what I've heard there is no reason to fear W8 as there was with Veester. Meaning the performance should be equivalent and the touch interface is defeatable.

Thus, no reason to hate it. (right?)

For me, my business clients still have some XP installs and I have informed them they must migrate to 7 by middle of next year. No problemo. Just don't take my win7 from me until I get them installed by end of next year!

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TechLarry

This doesn't fix the problem of the bad design. It simply puts it off.

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