Sorry Apple, Samsung's Galaxy S III is More Popular Than Your iPhone

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slibinz

Personally...I don't understand how anyone can watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM and still go out and buy an iPhone5 or ANY (cr)Apple product. But then again, I'm not a trendy idiot...so...

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Keith E. Whisman

I believe Iphone 5 would have a better sales record if it hadn't had released the Iphone 4S a year ago. Most people that bought the Iphone 4s a year ago signed a two year contract and can't upgrade for another year so sales are lower than if Apple had waited another year but for the same reason Iphone 4 owners are able to purchase the Iphone 5 as their contracts reach the 2 year maturity mark allowing Iphone 4 owners to upgrade without paying full price for the hardware or ETF fees to get a new two year deal at another carrier. I am an Iphone 4S owner and must say that I have to switch carriers with no easy way around paying fees out the nose. ETF is going to add to the $300 dollar Plus cost of owning an Iphone 5 with a minimum of 32Gb of storage. Also a lot of people that own Iphone 4S's may not be financially able to pay the premium that must be payed to own an awesome Iphone 5. Same thing if switching to an Galaxy SIII. I know that I am personally making about 2/3rds of what I was making this time last year because of layoffs and the continued decline of the economy and I can only assume the situation isn't much better for millions of other Americans.
I think that Apple and perhaps Android handset manufacturers should slow down the release schedule to say a new device every 15months so that even new contracts won't end with the top end device being more than a few months old. So I really don't think it's fair to compare the SIII to the Iphone 4S because the Iphones yearly release schedule.
If the handset suppliers and the service providers really want to make money, start offering 1 year contracts so consumers can better afford the new high demand device that each year brings. It can only help the economy. Besides, although the Iphone 5 sells for around $700 to $800 dollars without contract, it does not cost that much to manufacture and actually the manufacturer makes a tidy profit with only the $300 dollars it receives from the sale of the 32Gb device with contract.
Nobody here really thinks Apple charges Sprint, ATT, or Verizon any more than a couple hundred for the 32Gb Iphone 5 do they?
So studies like this are actually quite flawed in basic theory. They do no more than make the consumers of the device feel happy about their product purchase choice.

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davelray

Spoken like someone that doesn't have a clue how the carriers sell phones. The carriers may get a large volume discount on the phones but that does not reduce their price down to two or three hundred dollars. The carriers subsidize your contract phone purchase over the course of the contract to recoup the money they lose by selling you that phone at one or two hundred dollars. The ETF does not help recoup all the subsidy. It's there only to help stem off people from buying the phone then dropping the contract. Carriers have never made a profit on the sale of the phone itself. And in a lot of cases they lose money even on the sale of out of contract, unlocked phones. As for the research of one phone outselling another phone, it is what it is. I for one, if I were in the market for a phone, would definitely get a Samsung Galaxy S3. It's just all around a better phone. But since my iphone 4 still works and does what I need it to do, I won't be changing any time soon.

As to your argument over people waiting till contract maturity to purchase a new phone, that doesn't hold water either. There's always new subscribers coming to the market. People moving between carriers and needing a new phone. And that small subset of apple lovers that will dump and sell their phone and get the latest whenever it comes out.

No it does not cost that much to manufacture an iPhone. I think the iPhone 5 costs around one hundred dollars to manufacture, probably less. But that's not the only cost in making a cell phone. There's R&D costs and software costs as well as royalties on patents to other companies to cover.

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acidic

i'm loving everyday more and more due to crapple's slow demise. not only is their stock dropping daily, they are losing battle after battle in the courtroom, and their customer loyalty dropped for the first time ever and is rapidly dropping. people are finally realizing that much better and cheaper things are plentiful. upgrade fatigue is kicking in and people are tired of trying to keep up with the jones'. i still stand by my prediction of crapple's end within 2 years.

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zepolnavi

dont cry señoritas (iphone fans)is the truth, not just samsung galaxy is more popular, but it is also far superior in everything that an iPhone 5 ...continue crying señoritas hahahahahahaha

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Nimrod

Galaxy4 comes out in about 2 months. Why dont you put that in your pipe and fuck your self with it Neil Shah.

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warlok180

The great thing is everybody has a choice. People tend to stick with the ecosystem that they've most invested in. I can't see many people switching from iOS to Android or vice versa.

I've got all my digital movies and MP3s on iTunes. If at some point I was to switch to Android just for change's sake, how easy would it be to move all of those files over? Can you remove the DRM easy for each type of file?

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acidic

you will have to excuse my macolyte friend here. you speak of things that aren't built into ios or not available in the app store. crapple's RDF (reality distortion field) is strong with this one. of course it is easy to rip the drm from any media files. i done it years ago when my copy of one of the resident evil dvds came with a "digital copy". i found the program on majorgeeks and it took less than 2 minutes to complete. no transcoding is need nor is quality lost. just search around and you'll find it.

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Engelsstaub

He's talking about videos purchased from iTunes. He even clearly stated that FFS.

I have multiple programs that can rip a dvd or even a Blu Ray to a lossless file. "I done it" many times myself. Instead of being a condescending troll with a chip on my shoulders I'll actually be productive and list some of them:

MakeMKV (Windows, OSX, and Linux)

DVD Fab (Windows and OSX)

Ripit (OSX)

AnyDVD HD (Windows)

...etc.

If you know of a program that can pass through audio and video of an actual DRMed video file like the ones the OP purchased from iTunes, then please give us a specific example. Wouldn't hurt to know how this is accomplished losslessly either. Or just keep talking shit.

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acidic

swing and a miss. that is a baseball reference which i know is a far cry from your southern sports of nascar and mud hole busting. i know that reading is rather difficult for people in your position but i clearly stated that the process took less than 2 minutes. so, either your mbp, mba, or imac have the fastest optical drives on earth or you completely misunderstood as usual.

oh wait, crapple said that optical drives are "holding us back" and will stop using them in their products. it is just another failed attempt to blame poor sales on other "irrelevant" technologies. it is rather sad. but anyways, i'll break it down into smaller and easier to understand points.

when you buy a dvd/bluray with a "digital copy" it has a drm scheme built in. i used some program to only rip that drm away. hence, the small amount of time take to complete the task. hence, no re-encoding or changes in quality.

95% of the time you can achieve better results by encoding said disc yourself instead of using the digital copy provided. excuse me for not remembering the name of a program that i used once over 4 years ago just to piss around with a video file as i do all my encoding with another program.

you remind me of the kids in the special olympics that are still trying to win 5 minutes AFTER the event is over. i will give you a participation medal though. congratulations on it as it was well deserved

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slibinz

Such hostility....

The OP was talking about files he purchased from Apple, not files he ripped from a disc. Maybe it was four years ago, but if you could find and tell us of this program that rips DRM from Apple files without losing quality, I'd love you forever, cuz I sure can't find one...

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Engelsstaub

100% "of the time you can achieve better results by encoding said disc yourself..." AGAIN: The OP is looking for a way to remove DRM FROM FILES OBTAINED FROM THE ITUNES STORE.

You stated that one can easily remove such DRM. Simply tell us the name of any such program or shut the fuck up.

Since you're not really trying to help anyone here, but just looking for an excuse to hurl around insults, here's a crumb for you: I live near Canada, "Mr. You was & I done" Please leave special needs children out of your worthless trollings.

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warlok180

Sorry. Didn't mean to start an argument here. I'm not planning on switching to Android any time soon as I find no reason to at this time. However, I did do some research and if I did go the Samsung route, you need the Samsung Kies program and a program called DRM Converter that should enable the file conversion and transfer to a new Galaxy phone.

@Acidic: You really hate Apple don't you? Any particular reason(s) that the hate is that strong? Did they cheat you on a previous purchase or is it the whole PC vs. Mac thing? I hate some of the things and policies that Apple has or has done, but overall, my experience with them and their products has been great. Just curious.

I do prefer the PC and love building them (hence my browsing on this website), but I've also had a mostly great experience on iOS, iPhone and iPad. I love technology and Apple has been a big part in pushing things forward (minus the lawsuits). It's made everybody else step up their game.

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Engelsstaub

You didn't start an argument, warlok180.

I apologize for the role I played in perpetuating it. My intention was merely to help you with your question. If someone else *earnestly* knows of a lossless way of stripping DRM from iTunes-purchased video files, I'm genuinely interested as well.

I'm not familiar with DRM Converter but I have to assume that it is a lossy re-encoding tool. If you can live with the quality of the results, that should suffice. If I were making such a switch and decided to use it (assuming it is a lossy converter) I would retain the original files as well because they will be visibly of much better quality.

I didn't want to respond before acidic did because I'd love to give him the opportunity to answer your question. It would be great if he would productively interact with someone else on this website.

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Engelsstaub

Not for the movies...that wouldn't be easy at all. I think the only "viable" solutions for "removing" DRM from video files involves some pretty destructive lossy transcoding that will likely make them look and sound like crap.

If you purchased music from iTunes that will play on any Android phone that supports the AAC codec.

The Galaxy S3 is more popular because it's available on any network and is usually cheaper than an iPhone. ...well, that and it's a pretty damned good phone, too. The only thing I dislike about it is it feels like the build-quality is a bit lacking/a little too slippery and plastic-y. That's just aesthetics though. It's still a pretty good piece of hardware.

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AETAaAS

If you are interested in comparing 'families' of phones, don't forget the SGS2 and its variants which are still selling well and the Galaxy Note 2, a device many thought would fail in its first iteration; but has gained a pretty good following for itself.

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Barnhardt1

It's interesting that in that past, everyone claimed it wasn't fair to say Android was outselling iPhone because there were multiple models of Android phones being compared to a single model of iPhone. Now that a single Android model has outsold a single iPhone model, suddenly everyone wants to lump all the iPhones together again to boost the sales figures. If you're going to include all the iPhone models, then you have to include all the Android models, which is around 75% Android vs 15% iPhone now.

You can't have it both ways.

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warlok180

Well the S3 was the new phone for the Galaxy phones for this year. Sales of the 4S were almost certainly to slow down in anticipation of the iPhone 5. Nevertheless, Samsung did sell a lot of S3s this year and they should be happy.

This stupid smart phone war has gotten as bad as the console wars. In the end, who cares who sells more? Buy what you like and what suits your needs. And if you're satisfied and happy with it, then enjoy it.

Until the new model comes out that is...

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Gauntylgrym

I don't know...I've never really agreed with the idea of "all of the companies that make an Android phone" vs. Apple, the only company that makes the iPhone. No other company even makes an iOS device (I'm sure they're not allowed to by Apple).

What I would prefer to see is more equal comparisons in the vein of how specific "families" of phones compare to the iPhone family, such as Samsung's Galaxy "family" vs. the iPhone, keeping in mind relevance of models (ie. no one cares about the first Samsung Galaxy S or the iPhone 1-3 anymore). In my opinion, that's a more fair comparison.

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fiddlestix32

Thank you, I was just saying the same thing! Nobody likes an equal comparison when it doesn't favor them.

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Gauntylgrym

Seems to me that if you're going to throw around numbers of the GS3 alongside the iPhone 4S, and then a mention of the iPhone 5, there ought be some inclusion of the GS2 (predecessor to the GS3 like the iPhone 4s is the predecessor to the iPhone 5).
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At the end of the day, how many of each phone are in the wild?
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And I love my GS2.

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zepolnavi

the gs2 Still kicks ass....

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wolfing

The interesting thing is that probably over 50% of iphone 5 sales are from iphone 4 owners that just need to have the latest model

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MdX MaxX

Come on. The iPhone 5 came out at the end of September, less than two weeks before the end of Q3, and it sold 6 million units. The SIII had all 3 months of Q3 to sell 18 million. The numbers are extremely misleading; this isn't really a victory for the SIII at all. The iPhone is still king when it comes to sales.

(Now, before you start tossing the word fanboy around, note that I own a Galaxy SIII and love it.)

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donnamac

Anybody claiming this is not a fair comparison as the Iphone 5 has only had 35 days instead of 90 days on the market is way off base. Bulk of Ipad and Iphone users are past customers who stay with the brand due to their financial committment as they already have the Apple cloud and all accessories which Apple so smartly have locked into their brands only to keep dissatisfied customers from walking away. When you focus on new customer selections, the GSIII wins by an even bigger margin. And it should as it is not only superior to the iphone 4s, but also the 5 in the functions that are most applied. Now, if you are seeking an unfair comparision, go to the tablets where Ipad mini is comparing their new product to the Kindle Fire that was released two years ago and developed three years ago. This was done to avoid comparison to the new Fire 8.9 HD being released end of November which both the mini and the new ipad 3 get raked across the coals. As initial PC review stated" New Fire 8.9HD cleans the floor with the Ipad 3 in all categories for both business and pleasure. Ipad 3 is not even in the same class, yet charges $200 more for an inferior tablet that only the die hard apple fan would buy. Is a logo on a product that performs that much less really worth paying more? Apple is falling and folks know it.

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stradric

It's definitely a victory no matter how you slice it. It's significant because it is the first Android phone to challenge the iPhone for sales and win -- even if only for a relatively short period.

Now, that victory is definitely tempered by the other realities involved as you've noted. But the future is bright for Samsung smartphones.

The main takeaway is that Android is here to stay in the fiercely competitive mobile market.

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fiddlestix32

Not that it really matters what company ships the most smart phones, but...

If you're suggesting that we include all iPhone models in the statistic, then we would include all Samsung smart phone models (Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, etc.).

You either compare one model (iPhone 4) to one model (Galaxy S III), one manufacturer (Apple) to one manufacturer (Samsung), or one ecosystem (iOS) to one ecosystem (Android) when considering smart phones.

Apple has been losing the third for a very long time, the second for quite some time, and the first just this past quarter. Maybe the timing was just bad for Apple, but if you're going to do a statistically sound comparison, it has to be an equal comparison.

Sure it's a victory for Samsung - they sold tons of smart phones and get some positive publicity.

(I've never owned a Samsung smart phone but have used Android for years now.) ;)

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