SOPA Vote Delayed Without Explanation

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Ghost XFX

It's delayed because they'e all too busy downloading torrents themselves....Such irony can't be made up.

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dstevens

want all this to go away?

Then vote for Ron Paul.

:)

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Carlidan

And what good will that do? You know even IF you was president. And IF he did vetoed it. All congess need is 2/3 votes in the house and it's still becomes law. 

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h e x e n

Everything involving our government is a sham. Even if it isn't, it's so hard to trust anything they're saying at this point.

From the war on drugs to mass media, every arena is filled with misinformation and lies.

As so many others have stated, if SOPA passes it will prove unequivocally that our government and political leaders DO NOT have the interest of the public at heart and favor big business and media whores over civil liberties.

It was a fun ride guys. Ride the crest until it crumbles.

How about those new GPU's coming out huh!

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kris79

Right. I'd rather vote for a dead vegetable than the current crop of lettuce heads in congress. Shred the lettuce! Frag congress...

Oh. new GPU? So shiny...

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whathuhitwasntme

as a former member of the USMC

I can tell you the best thing you can hope for is that they indeed

leave it up to our sons an daughters in the military to police us.

DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS RAMPANT ABUSE!

when I was in the service they make it EXPLICITLY clear, if you are given orders that are illegal

you DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. IN fact you are instructed to stop them.

So, yeah bring home my brothers in arms, and tell them to do something stupid, see how fast their guns

are not pointed at citizens but instead at Senators. This is the reason why the French have a foreign legion, they

know a Frenchman would never turn on a countryman, and they keep foreigners around in case it is necessary.

The last I checked, we have no such organization at hand, so rest assured, it won't happen.

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Danthrax66

Bullshit, I guess you never read about Kent State... There is an asshole in every group.

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praetor_alpha

Last I checked (a minute ago), the US armed forces does recruit non-US citizens.

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Carlidan

I don't want a police nor do it want a miltary state. Sorry but they both are just as bad. Marshall law is not the answer. People have to start voting for the personal well being rather than their belief, moralities, religion, political views. But that's just my thought in this. 

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warptek2010

"People have to start voting for the personal well being rather than their belief, moralities, religion, political views. But that's just my thought in this. "

 

So if I believe the fed is getting too powerful, too intrusive, has absolutely no budgetary restraints, proposing and passing legislation that is extra-constitutional, killing the economy while it's claiming otherwise I should vote to keep that going because afterall, the checks are still going out even though it's not possibly sustainable? I don't get it.

I agree, marshal law can ONLY be bad unless there is some dire extraordinary circumstance.

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Carlidan

Hey I can't stop you from voting the way you want. That's your right as any citizen. I hope you vote for your best interest rather than your personal beliefs. That's is all I'm saying. If you think, that closing the FED will help you, hey vote that way. Never said you couldn't. And what do you mean "extra-constitutional"?

Your statment is kind of vague as an agrument. Your citing the Fed as that's the only enitity in government. And first understand why the FED was created before just demolishing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

Should there be changes of the FED. You're probably right. I think the first thing is that each member of the FED should be elected just like office holders. That way they are accountable as any politician. The screw things up, vote them out. 

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Biceps

I do believe that in our current situation in the US that 'accountable politician' is an oxymoron. 

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Carlidan

So true. Nowadays it's money talks and voter suppression. 

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Carlidan

double trouble

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drcrazyrich

DICTATOR. WELCOME TO COMMUNISM .IF THIS GETS VOTED IN AN ELECTION SHOULD BE CALLED AND EVERYONE WHOM VOTED YES SHOULD BE FIRED AND REPLACED AND CHARGED FOR TREASON !!

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Gezzer

Dude! This is anything but Communism.

If anything it's Capitialism run wild. Plus an obvious systemic goverment corruption. The major problem is that's it a systemic corruption where individuals themselves may not be corrupt and feel they're actions are pure, but more one where the corruption is created by the very system it's self. The huge sums thrown around by both lobbying and campain funding makes it a case where you have to sell your soul if you want to  be a member of goverment, and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. In fact this sacrificing of higher ideals is so insidious that most goverment officals have no idea how corrupt their desicion making ablities are or have become. It's a major reason so many elected officals do really stupid things. They're moral and ethical compass has been skewed by the nature of their office. 

It's purely a case of "when you dance with the devil, he gets to call the tune."  It's one of the major problems of an elected representative system. It's more about who has the most access to an elected offical then what issue has the most backing of the citizenry.

Oh BTW. Caps Lock key. Check into it. ;o)

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warptek2010

Yes indeed. This SOPA crap can only be the direct result of political contributions and lobbying. Think about it... the majority of the constintuency DO NOT care one dollop of having anything in that bill passed unless perhaps you're a representative of California. So this isn't for Joe Shmoe average citizen... this is for BIG MEDIA CORPORATIONS which include the various music labels, movie and entertainment studios and accompanying subsidiaries, tv networks and associated media conglomerations, cable and news companies and their holdings, BIG UNIONS, and let's of course not forget their army of lawyers and legal experts.

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Carlidan

Big Unions involved in SOPA didn't know that. Can you cite any sources? First time I ever heard that. Hey you might be right. But at least post sources before saying it. And I think coporations in general and not just "media" coraporations want to screw people. Name me one "honest" coropartion that hasn't done at least one unethical business pratice. 

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Gezzer

I would guess there are some Unions involved. SAG (it's a union right?), all the trades on a movie site, etc. If there's enough members to exert pressure is another question.

As well I agree on the point about corporations. Not all but many are out for only one thing, higher profit margins. I sometimes call it the Walmart effect. How many things in your local Walmart aren't made in China? Of the things that aren't how many are pretty much junk? It's much easier to sell the illusion of value for money spent then actually deliver it. A very interesting read is the man who said no to Walmart.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

I know it might be a little hard to see the connection. But in my mind it shows how most big companies no longer want to be a part of the community they serve. They want to benifit from the community without actually contributing to it and it's what's killing the middle class.

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Carlidan

Yes your right. But they way he's implying is as if Unions are involved in SOPA. That was what I was trying to convey. Guess I didn't do a good job at it. As the union you're talking about, SAG, is there any connection they are involve in SOPA. Waptek just says something without anything to back it up and expects no one to  dispute his claims.

Hey I have no problems with coporations, banks, unions, They have the place in society. What I don't like it is when anyone of them  screws with people lives and call it the american dream.

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Gezzer

Hear you on that one.

I sometimes think the American Dream, is an illusion meant to keep people from looking behind the curtain. Problem is the curtain's starting to get so thread bear and moth eaten that you really have to be looking threw rose coloured glasses not to see past it.

Well hopefully we're at the dawn of a new age. Where informantion is so readily available that you not only have to have your head buried in the sand not to notice something's up, but all the way up to your butt as well.

Knock on wood <raps on side of head>

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Gezzer

Combind with the UMG Utube story and it's pretty obvious this is getting out of hand.

I've always thought it was less a democracy and more of a puppet regime, and it's being proven right before our eyes. Your puppet masters are "Big Business" with Big Media currently leading the charge.

Man I'm glad I don't live in the US. Not to say it still won't effect us up north. But at least (I hope) we won't have our politicians to blame. This time anyway.

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alexw1234

Glad to live in Canada, but this may still effect us as dns servers are the things directly impacted. They are used by people all over the world, but maybe i can make my own. Any 1 got a decent guide? I know it's possible.

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alexw1234

I am in the process of making a list that contains as many ip addresses for as many sites as possible. That way I can shun dns as much as possible. If you are interested in contributing to said list, email me at    

shreddinmachine@gmail.com        

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Gezzer

It'd be an interesting experiment.

There must be some way to pull all the DNS data off a server, hand copying would be a b@tch. Then of course how much space do you need for a DNS? Even with every IP you'd need to match it's still only text data so it can't be all that much. So I'd think the hardest thing would be keeping it up to date.

hhmmmm...

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warptek2010

Wouldn't work. In the Domain Name System you will eventually hit the top hierarchy of the Internet Domain Name System (which is the first . in the namespace of a fully qualified domain name) which is served by the root name servers of which is maintained through delegation by ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers). No way around it.

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Gezzer

So correct me if I'm wrong here.

Most DNS don't have a full listing of all the domain names and the IPs that they match with but instead kick it up to the next level of DNS if they don't have it right? So if I remember correctly most of the high level stuff is American due to the fact that it was DARPA's pet project when it first started right?

So in other words unless someone can and does move it to another country we're all at the mercy of what ever laws are passed in the US.

Ouch. This might get ugly.

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warptek2010

Essentially correct.

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Trekker1091

Of course it was deleayed.  It was delayed in favor of a bill which NO ONE knew about!  Its called the NDAA (National Defense Autorization Act), and it included the right to let the military barge into your house at any time and with no warrent or any reason whatsoever, and arrest you and detain you.  That bill actually passed Congress.  I hope to God Obama veto's it, it'll be the one sensible thing he's done during his term.

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Biceps

Obama didn't veto it, he signed it.  The American president with a Nobel Peace Prize just gave away all of our civil liberties, shortly after passing the largest pentagon budget in history.  The dude is a fake.

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US_Ranger

I would just like to point out that most people in the military are a reflection of society in general and that they are very much against this anti-constitutional bullshit. The fact that Ron Paul has received the most donations from active duty service members should speak volumes about where the loyalty resides in the military. Consitution > police state

 

Let's hope this holds true for the future. 

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AntonioGarrison

Brace yourself, stupidty from our government is coming.

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Rooke

Future tense?

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