SOPA Vote Delayed Without Explanation
SOPA Vote Delayed Without Explanation
Posted 12/16/2011 at 2:48pm
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The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) was set to pass a house committee today by a wide margin, but the vote has unexpectedly been delayed. This follows a lengthy 11-hour debate on Thursday that left the bill essentially unchanged. That’s dismaying for experts who worry SOPA’s mandated alteration of the DNS system could be dangerous.
SOPA would force ISPs to block sites suspected of containing content that infringes copyright. Experts on network management and internet infrastructure have repeatedly expressed concern over the measure, but the entertainment lobby is pushing hard for its passage. Sites targeted by the law would have virtually no ability to fight the seizure of their domain names. SOPA (and the companion Senate legislation Protect IP) also ends safe harbor provisions that protect websites from being held liable for content uploaded by users.
There was no date set for a new vote on SOPA today, but with the overwhelming support the measure is getting, we expect it will be back. There have been calls from some members to have experts on internet infrastructure testify on the matter, so it’s possible the delay will provide that opportunity.
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Ghost XFX
December 27, 2011 at 10:06pm
It's delayed because they'e all too busy downloading torrents themselves....Such irony can't be made up.
Carlidan
December 19, 2011 at 5:50pm
And what good will that do? You know even IF you was president. And IF he did vetoed it. All congess need is 2/3 votes in the house and it's still becomes law.
h e x e n
December 19, 2011 at 6:00am
Everything involving our government is a sham. Even if it isn't, it's so hard to trust anything they're saying at this point.
From the war on drugs to mass media, every arena is filled with misinformation and lies.
As so many others have stated, if SOPA passes it will prove unequivocally that our government and political leaders DO NOT have the interest of the public at heart and favor big business and media whores over civil liberties.
It was a fun ride guys. Ride the crest until it crumbles.
How about those new GPU's coming out huh!
kris79
December 19, 2011 at 12:59pm
Right. I'd rather vote for a dead vegetable than the current crop of lettuce heads in congress. Shred the lettuce! Frag congress...
Oh. new GPU? So shiny...
whathuhitwasntme
December 16, 2011 at 6:32pm
as a former member of the USMC
I can tell you the best thing you can hope for is that they indeed
leave it up to our sons an daughters in the military to police us.
DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS RAMPANT ABUSE!
when I was in the service they make it EXPLICITLY clear, if you are given orders that are illegal
you DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. IN fact you are instructed to stop them.
So, yeah bring home my brothers in arms, and tell them to do something stupid, see how fast their guns
are not pointed at citizens but instead at Senators. This is the reason why the French have a foreign legion, they
know a Frenchman would never turn on a countryman, and they keep foreigners around in case it is necessary.
The last I checked, we have no such organization at hand, so rest assured, it won't happen.
Danthrax66
December 17, 2011 at 2:58pm
Bullshit, I guess you never read about Kent State... There is an asshole in every group.
praetor_alpha
December 16, 2011 at 10:14pm
Last I checked (a minute ago), the US armed forces does recruit non-US citizens.
Carlidan
December 16, 2011 at 6:38pm
I don't want a police nor do it want a miltary state. Sorry but they both are just as bad. Marshall law is not the answer. People have to start voting for the personal well being rather than their belief, moralities, religion, political views. But that's just my thought in this.
warptek2010
December 16, 2011 at 11:33pm
"People have to start voting for the personal well being rather than their belief, moralities, religion, political views. But that's just my thought in this. "
So if I believe the fed is getting too powerful, too intrusive, has absolutely no budgetary restraints, proposing and passing legislation that is extra-constitutional, killing the economy while it's claiming otherwise I should vote to keep that going because afterall, the checks are still going out even though it's not possibly sustainable? I don't get it.
I agree, marshal law can ONLY be bad unless there is some dire extraordinary circumstance.
Carlidan
December 17, 2011 at 3:18am
Hey I can't stop you from voting the way you want. That's your right as any citizen. I hope you vote for your best interest rather than your personal beliefs. That's is all I'm saying. If you think, that closing the FED will help you, hey vote that way. Never said you couldn't. And what do you mean "extra-constitutional"?
Your statment is kind of vague as an agrument. Your citing the Fed as that's the only enitity in government. And first understand why the FED was created before just demolishing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System
Should there be changes of the FED. You're probably right. I think the first thing is that each member of the FED should be elected just like office holders. That way they are accountable as any politician. The screw things up, vote them out.
Biceps
December 18, 2011 at 3:13am
I do believe that in our current situation in the US that 'accountable politician' is an oxymoron.
drcrazyrich
December 16, 2011 at 5:12pm
DICTATOR. WELCOME TO COMMUNISM .IF THIS GETS VOTED IN AN ELECTION SHOULD BE CALLED AND EVERYONE WHOM VOTED YES SHOULD BE FIRED AND REPLACED AND CHARGED FOR TREASON !!
Gezzer
December 16, 2011 at 6:01pm
Dude! This is anything but Communism.
If anything it's Capitialism run wild. Plus an obvious systemic goverment corruption. The major problem is that's it a systemic corruption where individuals themselves may not be corrupt and feel they're actions are pure, but more one where the corruption is created by the very system it's self. The huge sums thrown around by both lobbying and campain funding makes it a case where you have to sell your soul if you want to be a member of goverment, and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. In fact this sacrificing of higher ideals is so insidious that most goverment officals have no idea how corrupt their desicion making ablities are or have become. It's a major reason so many elected officals do really stupid things. They're moral and ethical compass has been skewed by the nature of their office.
It's purely a case of "when you dance with the devil, he gets to call the tune." It's one of the major problems of an elected representative system. It's more about who has the most access to an elected offical then what issue has the most backing of the citizenry.
Oh BTW. Caps Lock key. Check into it. ;o)
warptek2010
December 16, 2011 at 11:45pm
Yes indeed. This SOPA crap can only be the direct result of political contributions and lobbying. Think about it... the majority of the constintuency DO NOT care one dollop of having anything in that bill passed unless perhaps you're a representative of California. So this isn't for Joe Shmoe average citizen... this is for BIG MEDIA CORPORATIONS which include the various music labels, movie and entertainment studios and accompanying subsidiaries, tv networks and associated media conglomerations, cable and news companies and their holdings, BIG UNIONS, and let's of course not forget their army of lawyers and legal experts.
Carlidan
December 17, 2011 at 3:23am
Big Unions involved in SOPA didn't know that. Can you cite any sources? First time I ever heard that. Hey you might be right. But at least post sources before saying it. And I think coporations in general and not just "media" coraporations want to screw people. Name me one "honest" coropartion that hasn't done at least one unethical business pratice.
Gezzer
December 17, 2011 at 6:07am
I would guess there are some Unions involved. SAG (it's a union right?), all the trades on a movie site, etc. If there's enough members to exert pressure is another question.
As well I agree on the point about corporations. Not all but many are out for only one thing, higher profit margins. I sometimes call it the Walmart effect. How many things in your local Walmart aren't made in China? Of the things that aren't how many are pretty much junk? It's much easier to sell the illusion of value for money spent then actually deliver it. A very interesting read is the man who said no to Walmart.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html
I know it might be a little hard to see the connection. But in my mind it shows how most big companies no longer want to be a part of the community they serve. They want to benifit from the community without actually contributing to it and it's what's killing the middle class.
Carlidan
December 18, 2011 at 2:04am
Yes your right. But they way he's implying is as if Unions are involved in SOPA. That was what I was trying to convey. Guess I didn't do a good job at it. As the union you're talking about, SAG, is there any connection they are involve in SOPA. Waptek just says something without anything to back it up and expects no one to dispute his claims.
Hey I have no problems with coporations, banks, unions, They have the place in society. What I don't like it is when anyone of them screws with people lives and call it the american dream.
Gezzer
December 18, 2011 at 5:51am
Hear you on that one.
I sometimes think the American Dream, is an illusion meant to keep people from looking behind the curtain. Problem is the curtain's starting to get so thread bear and moth eaten that you really have to be looking threw rose coloured glasses not to see past it.
Well hopefully we're at the dawn of a new age. Where informantion is so readily available that you not only have to have your head buried in the sand not to notice something's up, but all the way up to your butt as well.
Knock on wood <raps on side of head>
Gezzer
December 16, 2011 at 4:27pm
Combind with the UMG Utube story and it's pretty obvious this is getting out of hand.
I've always thought it was less a democracy and more of a puppet regime, and it's being proven right before our eyes. Your puppet masters are "Big Business" with Big Media currently leading the charge.
Man I'm glad I don't live in the US. Not to say it still won't effect us up north. But at least (I hope) we won't have our politicians to blame. This time anyway.
alexw1234
December 16, 2011 at 9:15pm
Glad to live in Canada, but this may still effect us as dns servers are the things directly impacted. They are used by people all over the world, but maybe i can make my own. Any 1 got a decent guide? I know it's possible.
alexw1234
December 17, 2011 at 10:10am
I am in the process of making a list that contains as many ip addresses for as many sites as possible. That way I can shun dns as much as possible. If you are interested in contributing to said list, email me at
shreddinmachine@gmail.com
Gezzer
December 16, 2011 at 11:03pm
It'd be an interesting experiment.
There must be some way to pull all the DNS data off a server, hand copying would be a b@tch. Then of course how much space do you need for a DNS? Even with every IP you'd need to match it's still only text data so it can't be all that much. So I'd think the hardest thing would be keeping it up to date.
hhmmmm...
warptek2010
December 16, 2011 at 11:57pm
Wouldn't work. In the Domain Name System you will eventually hit the top hierarchy of the Internet Domain Name System (which is the first . in the namespace of a fully qualified domain name) which is served by the root name servers of which is maintained through delegation by ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers). No way around it.
Gezzer
December 17, 2011 at 5:48am
So correct me if I'm wrong here.
Most DNS don't have a full listing of all the domain names and the IPs that they match with but instead kick it up to the next level of DNS if they don't have it right? So if I remember correctly most of the high level stuff is American due to the fact that it was DARPA's pet project when it first started right?
So in other words unless someone can and does move it to another country we're all at the mercy of what ever laws are passed in the US.
Ouch. This might get ugly.
ashinms
December 16, 2011 at 8:22pm
Thats the things about you canadians (I'm assuming you are, unless "up north" is russia- hey, I've heard it refered to as that), but I never hear any of this bullshit coming from yall. I'm moing to canada...
Gezzer
December 16, 2011 at 9:07pm
Russian, I'm not Russian comrade!
Opps
Yeah I'm a Canuck. Except for the big two cable companies making Netflick next to useless I have to say I'm happy with our politician's stand on things. It'll be more of a moot point if this bill passes though.
ashinms
December 17, 2011 at 9:30pm
... Ah, So off subject question that I always wanted to ask but never got the chance- Do you somethimes get american nickles in your change, because i grew up on the gulf of mexico, and somehow, even that far south, I still somehow kept ending up with canadian nickles. I litterally had a collection of them when I was nine or ten.
Gezzer
December 18, 2011 at 6:01am
Yes, we get all the denominations of American coins. Banks, retailers, etc, don't give the exchange rate for coins so it's not common, but not rare either to get an American coin once in awhile. Bills on the other hand you never see.
As for getting Canadian coins that far south, we have a group of senior citizens lovingly called "snow birds". They are well off enough to have both a Canadian (Ontario most often) address for the summer months, and a Florida address in the winter. I'd speculate that's the source of you Canadian coins.
Trekker1091
December 16, 2011 at 3:18pm
Of course it was deleayed. It was delayed in favor of a bill which NO ONE knew about! Its called the NDAA (National Defense Autorization Act), and it included the right to let the military barge into your house at any time and with no warrent or any reason whatsoever, and arrest you and detain you. That bill actually passed Congress. I hope to God Obama veto's it, it'll be the one sensible thing he's done during his term.
Biceps
December 17, 2011 at 12:12am
Obama didn't veto it, he signed it. The American president with a Nobel Peace Prize just gave away all of our civil liberties, shortly after passing the largest pentagon budget in history. The dude is a fake.
US_Ranger
December 16, 2011 at 4:22pm
I would just like to point out that most people in the military are a reflection of society in general and that they are very much against this anti-constitutional bullshit. The fact that Ron Paul has received the most donations from active duty service members should speak volumes about where the loyalty resides in the military. Consitution > police state
Let's hope this holds true for the future.
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