Sony Claims it Might Actually Make a Quick Profit off the PS4 Thanks to its PC Inspired Design

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QuadraQ

The whole PC vs. Console gaming is silly to me. I fully enjoy both, and am glad that this next generation will be even closer to the PC which will make it easier for developers to target as many platforms as possible.

I'm not going to talk about what makes PC gaming great, because everyone here knows that already. The main reason console gaming is great is all about efficiency. The PC always has more horse power and always will, but a portion of that power is always lost to the weight of the API that developers use for compatibility across a large amount of hardware configurations. When the console maker locks down the hardware, developers can get intimately familiar with it and continue to do more and more with it through increased efficiency that's impossible to do with PC's because of their very nature.

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Blackheart-1220

Nothing is "PC inspired" unless you're able to plug in a keyboard and mouse to it.

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kixofmyg0t

You do realize you can plug a keyboard and mouse into a PS3 right? Of course you don't. Very few games support them but the option has always been there.

Guess that means it's "PC inspired" huh?

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jgottberg

Don't expect a response from this guy... I have asked him a couple of times why he champions the PC gaming cause yet has Gran Turismo 5 ( a PS3 exclusive title) as his avatar. Nary a response. Ever.

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Scatter

I'll tell you why I champion PC gaming. And this is just off of the top of my head.

The Xbox, PS3 and Nintendo consoles are locked down tighter than fort Knox. Basically you get whatever the console manufacturer wants you to get. My PC is mine. I can customize it and do with it whatever I want. If I want to tab out of my game and check my email I can. If I want to change my wallpaper I can. If I want to upgrade my RAM or video card I can.

Secondly, Mods. PC games can be modified to the point where they play and look completely different then they did when they were released. I'm playing Fallout 3 now and with the graphic mods I'm using it looks absolutely gorgeous. 4 years after it's release it looks better than many games being released today. And the re-playability with mods is ridiculous.

Third, and this is a personal preference but I can't stand playing games other than fighters and sports games on a gamepad. Most games have to be dumbed down to get all control options onto a gamepad.

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jgottberg

Yeah, I think the type of game determines what you are gonna game on. I play mostly FPS, sports and fighting (MK, Injustice, etc) games which makes me mostly a console gamer.

I do play stuff like SimCity and Age of Empires and the like on the PC. PC games are generally deeper and allow for larger environments. Plus, for those games, there is no substitute for a keyboard and mouse.

The only thing I don't get is what else do you expect the game console to do that it doesn't already do? If I buy a toaster, I'm not trying to make it an oven or something else it might do only half-assed. Why would I want to?

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Scatter

I couldn't imagine playing a FPS without a keyboard and mouse.

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jgottberg

You are definitely not alone there. I would prefer the KB/Mouse but can make due with a gamepad too.

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vrmlbasic

"The only thing I don't get is what else do you expect the game console to do that it doesn't already do? If I buy a toaster, I'm not trying to make it an oven or something else it might do only half-assed. Why would I want to?"

All the current-gen consoles do this though. They don't just "play games" anymore, sadly. Now they do all sorts of other things, and do them poorly IMO, like streaming Netflix content (for a hefty fee, if we're talking Xbox). This is why I'll be skipping the next gen, most likely, as I have no interest in buying a locked-down PC when I have a pretty nice one already that is very "unlocked" in comparison.

The console creators seem to want us to want to do this, to answer your question.

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jgottberg

I have a PS3 so my Netflix/Hulu Plus, EpixHD, Vudu all stream HD on the cheap :)

I guess I didn't understand where Scatter was going with what else he wanted to do with the console other than what the manufacturer intended it to do.

As far as having a locked down PC... there is a lot to be said for a system I never had to secure with AV, driver updates, firmware updates, and all the other maintanence involved. After a long day, I can plop down on the couch and game uninterrupted for an hour or so. When I have more time, I can game on my PC.

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Scatter

My point was that it's a closed system. If you can stream Nexflix or Hulu its only because Microsoft lets you do so. Can you stream your iTunes library of music and videos to your 360? If not why do you think this is the case?

As far as maintenance goes installing anti-virus software isn't that big of a deal for me. And mark my words, it won't be long before a console virus is found.

Driver updates are actually a benefit since they generally improve the performance of my existing hardware. Of course you can always ignore installing them if you choose to as well.

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mauritsio

Moneywise, I prefer consoles. Me and my partner play mostly coop games. We can't afford getting 2 well powered PCs (over $1k each) that could run today's games. What I get is a $300 console and cheap used games. We don't care much about graphics, but just plain fun. My 360 can run any game I throw at it and get more games for its value, because it is designed for it. Besides, i find most couch coop games on the consoles.

While it is true that you could always pirate games online and they are free, spending over $2k for 2 cases still seems too much for me. It always seemed to me that PC gamers are always forced to pay more for upgrades instead of settling down and get something that will run a game at least decently.

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jgottberg

Ahh, ok - and sorry, I didn't realize you had a couple of accounts on MPC.

Well, I think it's pretty well understood that when you buy a game console, the OS is proprietary for the sole purpose of gaming with a sprinkle of extras that some people may or may not use. I don't know about anyone else but I bought my PS3 to primarily play games and anything it does after that is value added. I would hope that anyone that buys a gaming console would know that there ARE limitations to what it was designed to do. After all, one shouldn't be surprised if one buys a motorcycle and cannot upgrade it to be a 4x4. lol.

As I said earlier, I'm a gamer. Period - platform doesn't really matter. I'm on MPC for a reason... I kinda like PC's ;-)

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Scatter

Who has multiple Maximum PC accounts? I don't

And I'm not trying to criticize you or other console gamers, I'm simply responding to your question about why some people champion PC gaming.

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jgottberg

Dang it, this convo would have been better in person, over a beer. lol! I misunderstood you again - when you originally responded with, "I'll tell you why I champion PC gaming. And this is just off of the top of my head." I thought you were Blackheart as well and just responded with the Scatter account.

and yeah, same - I don't get the anger issues people have about which platform you game on... We all game, does it matter on what hardware? It's MaxPC, not MaxPCGaming. lol

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wolfing

I'm objective here. I play games both on consoles and on PC. Really, it's not about if consoles are better or not than PCs. It's all about the type of games that go on each. Consoles are better for sports games, third person action games, 'japanese' RPGs, and overall online gaming experience (again, not because they're technically better, but because of the quantity and variety of those types of games you'll find there). PCs are better for pretty much everything else.

Anything a console do, a PC could also potentially do, but you just won't find the same games there.

I owned an PS2, then an Xbox, and currently a PS3, so I'm not even a 'console brand fanboy' of any side. I'll decide which console to get (and when), later on. I definitely never pay $60+ for a game so ability to play pre-owned games is a must for me. There were rumors that the Xbox wouldn't allow you to do that, then they were debunked, so until I have more info on that, I won't make a decision.

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vrmlbasic

I disagree that the console is somehow better for 3rd-person action games: I played the Xbox 360 tomb raider series (pre-reboot) first on 360 and then on PC with a controller. The experience was vastly improved on the PC.

My experience with internet play/Steamworks on PC has been superior to that with Xbox Live and PSN.

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leetNightshade

Why? Are you talking about based on what games are on each platform, or what each platform is capable of?

Technically speaking, a PC isn't limited to just a keyboard and mouse, and that's the beauty of it. So a PC works just as well for a third person action game or an RPG. And the PC has the muscle to be able to run either at higher specs.

So, what are you talking about?

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dgrmouse

How does "not planning a major loss" translate into "quick profit?" As far as I know, they haven't released MSRPs yet, and I certainly haven't seen a tear-down with a bill of materials. For all we know at this point, they could still be planning to sell the console at a small loss.

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ZombieKiller

I am a total PC gamer! But the consoles are fun for exclusive games like Little Big Planet, Resistance and Uncharted. I'm spending $500 towards a TITAN (or the next fastest GPU) before I spend that on a console though, as I rarely use a console.

If you could only get a PS4 or a Next Gen XBOX which would you want?

My personal opinion would be the PS4, based off of how I like the PS3 and 360. More fun games for the PS3 but if I owned a copy of the same game for PS3 and 360 I'd rather play it on the 360. So overall the PS3 is the better of the two, so I am expecting the same with next gen consoles.

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aarcane

Console games suck. I don't own a current gen console because none of them can manage to get enough quality exclusives for me to justify the huge expenditure on proprietary crap. Anything worth playing eventually comes to the PC anyway, and is at least as good as it's console counterpart.

That said, with the advent of Linux gaming, and Android finally coming into it's own as a gaming platform, I see a return of the open console looming on the horizon.

Once we have a standard controller platform built into Android, and exploited ubiquitously by both hardware and software developers alike (including support for wiimote, ps3, and 360 controllers that now rely on keyboard emulation and IME), the ARM based console with no entry fee will become king of the gaming arena.

All that still remains to be flushed out and developed is a uniform system performance measurement system akin to windows' performance index that will allow you to compare a game's minimum requirements to your android devices' specifications to determine how well it will run without having to resort to core counting and megahertz values.

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