Some Windows 7 Editions to Offer Free Virtualized Windows XP [Support!] - Updated

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quickone

The biggest mistake MS made was waiting so long between XP and
Vista.  It allowed people to become so comfortable with XP and
companies enough time to make their drivers/software perfectly match
that when the switch finally happened it upset everyone. 
Granted, it would be nice if they opened up their code some so 3rd
parties could make their stuff more compatible but still, they shot
themselves in the foot.  

 

Vista (w/ latest SP) is better than XP, and Win 7 is a hell of a
lot better than Vista, but people hate change.  Every time they
change the OS people will bitch just like they did when XP came out.
 

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ghot

You said theres a mess of things you can do on Vista that I can't.....like what?   DX10? Fight with the UAC?  Run an unstable rig?  You neglerted to point out what you can do on Vista that I can't.  

...and yes when Windows 7 finally comes out I'll still be on XP for the simple reason that I have NO driver issues....NO app incompatability etc.  But mostly because XP is about 100 time MORE rpoductive than Windows 7.  I can tweak it faster, I can do anything faster than you can on Vista or Win 7.   As for the media......yes it is way better on Vista and Win 7.....but since I don't do that on my comp...I don't care.  Even Max PC had an article a month or so ago that said:   XP has a 60+% market share to Vistas 21% and that MOST businesses have stated that they plan to stay with XP till 2014 no matter what MS releases.  The votes are in folks...heed 'em or weep!

What MS should have done is simply produce a 64bit XP and left the GUI alone.

P.S.  When you are fighting with Creative for sound drivers......I'm......NOT   :)

 

 

 

Take an OS, and edit out all the efficiency, and what you have left is a post-XP Microsoft operating system :)

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Caboose

 You keep going on and on about how Microsoft should release Windows XP 64bit, and yet, you fail to do ANY research. Microsoft DID release a64bit version of Windows XP

 Two versions of Windows XP 64-Bit Edition were released:

  • Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for Itanium systems, Version 2002 — Based on Windows XP codebase, which was released in 2001.
  • Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, Version 2003 — Based on Windows Server 2003 codebase, which added support for the Itanium 2 processor, was released on March 28, 2003.

This edition was discontinued in early 2005, after Hewlett Packard , the last distributor of Itanium-based workstations, stopped selling Itanium systems marketed as 'workstations'. As of July 2005, Windows XP 64-Bit Edition is no longer supported, and no further security updates were made available.

So there you go. If Windows XP was SOOOOOOOOOOO amazing, then why wasn't there more support for it in 64bit flavour? Why isn't it still around? Why? Because of lack of support primarily. The drivers were either very poor, or didn't exist.

 And you know what, the same thing is going to happen to Windows XP. How many Windows 2k and Win98 drivers can you find anymore? Not too many. Sure some companies still have them around, but those are there for people like you. Too flucking stubborn to actually mature and grow up and move on to a new OS.

You're going to be stuck in the past if you don't learn to move on. And you'll be very lonely...

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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dracx619

from what im getting, it seems  your a very technical mega IT type person. my question to you is, why arent you using windows 2000 or win 98? xp is essentially those but with a little eye candy. another guess is that you are an older (either literally in age or in soul) where you dont like change or re-learning stuff. once you find a way you like, you refuse to change (reminds me of the old folks in the new jack in the box commercials). 

another question i pose to you is were you able to tweak the crap out of xp as fast as you do no, as when it first came out? im pretty confident the answer is 'no.' well how did you get as good as you are with it? quite simply, because xp has been out forever and you have had TIME to explore it and exploit its tweaking abilities. Vista is just as tweakable and i know because i have done so myself. sure it was a little difficult learning it, but once i did, it gets easier and easier everytime i do it. and THATS THE POINT, you take some time to learn something new and in no time at all, it becomes second nature and this principle goes for anything in life. if i were like you, i wouldnt be able to work where i do and do what i do. sure i hate macs but i made myself learn it, and learn it well and if hypothetically all otehr oses were to dissapear, id feel confident using a mac.

and again, xp is only more productive FOR YOU because you have used it forever and refuse to re-learn anything because you feel you dont need to. times change, and if one doesn't learn to work with what life gives them, then that person is left behind bitter and left in a stage of nostalgia.

regarding those statistics, companies said that before msft announced the new xp feature. i am pretty damn confident that this feature alone will win over a bunch of companies over time. of course at first they will be hesitant but as soon as word of mouth gets out, they will quickly follow.

regarding drivers...again, you have no problems cause  xp has been out for a while and manufacturers have been producing drivers for years. how was it when xp came out? damn straight, wasn't all peaches and roses and how many people complained about xp before sp2 came out? again, damn straight. time has made vista pretty good and in even less time, 7 will surpass it all.

and again (lastly) if msft werre ti stick with xp, sure companies might be happy but then they will lose money and their casual user base and it wouldnt be long before the casual user base grows p and then demands to replace old and obsolute win pcs for shiny new eye happy macs. 

sorry if it seems im trolling on you but i sense this 'i know it all' attitude coming from you on top of what seems to be a stubborn nature and im simply trying to help you see another side of things and view things with a more open mind

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mjanzen

Does anyone know what the virtual video card is?  A problem I've found with virtual environments is that the video card is very poor.  You can run some basic OpenGL stuff, but it has to effectively all run on the CPU ... If they could pass along some of the power of the physical video card to the virtual environment (even via CUDA or something) that would be great :)

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ghot

.....that the consumer pays THEIR salaries.  Looks like even MS can read the writing on the wall....now.  This is just MORE MS cr*p to shove another useless OS on its customers.   Windows 7 sucks...I'm dual booting it right now.  It is a useless OS.....there is nothing (the good) in Windows 7 that can't be ported to XP, even now.

Every "artist" (and here I'm considering MS programmers...artists) reaches a point where no matter what they do...they will never create something as fantastic as they have already created.  This is where MS is standing right now.  No matter how much fancy BS they tack on....they have ....peaked with XP.  This is not a failing on the part of the coders...this is simply the natural order of things.

The only thing MS can and should do at this point is provide DX11, an unassailable kernel and although I loathe to admit it....better media compatibility......and make it all into an SP4 for XP.   This would be the honorable thing to do.  I don't expect this of MS, but one can always hope.

Here it is in a nutshell:  When I install XP the very first thing I do is make a desktop shortcut for Windows Explorer and then rename it Windex.  Why you ask?  Simple...because it the BEST way to access my program folders...period.  This is where MS is missing the boat.  I'm not "afraid" to learn a new OS....there just isn't a NEED to learn a new OS!  XP works and works well.  Granted there should be a 64bit XP but aside from that and the things I mentioned above....MS doing anything else is merely taking consumers money for a lesser  product.

They should simply rewrite the "insides" of XP and leave the GUI alone.  You can't improve on perfection.

 

Take an OS, and edit out all the efficiency, and what you have left is a post-XP Microsoft operating system :)

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AntiHero

I'm on vista as i type this, and i plan on buying 7 for my next build. Honestly, there's a bunch of things i can do that you can't, and nothing you can do that i can't. I'm a linux user at heart, but i don't use it often anymore because i need windows for more things. All os's leave me feeling like i'm wanting more. More to be desired. I want a mixture of linux and windows, that isn't locked down and retarded as hell. (like OS X) This OS arguement stuff gets old fast. My family is all about Windows, and 3 of us are linux people, one is an apple user, and then me. I defend Apple, because it works well since it's proprietary, applications work as a part of Leopard, not with it. Windows is effective because it runs almost out of the box without effort, most programs out there are made for it, and service and repair is simple, also swapping parts is a possibility. Linux is good because swapping parts is the same as windows, most applications on both Apple and PC work with some tinkering, and no viruses, little effort, and low end pc's run it phenominally, so it's great for netbooks and budget pc's.

I don't like Microsoft, I associate with it.

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Caboose

  You know, you remind me of all those people that refused to switch
to Windows XP when it came out saying that Windows 98 is the bst OS
ever and that nothing should be changed, blah blah blah.

I can
see it now, Windows 7 will be near the end of it's cycle, you'll still
be on Windows XP and trying to force WinXP to work with hardware that
is 5 or 6 years newer, using hacked or ancient drivers and having
compatiblity issues left right and centre. All because you're too
stubborn to actually try something different and accept that change
happens.

Your post reminds me a lot of people on console forums who bash and rip on "Console X" because "its geah! And crap and Console Y is better etc" and then go on to claim that they own Console X, Y and Z so don't call them a fanboy of console Y and if you do you're a f@g!

 I'm surprised you haven't started one of those pointless online petitions to Microsoft to have them keep Windows XP and stop trying to make another OS and actually drive their business forward.

One of the really nice things, and great improvements over WinXP and WinVista that I'm finding with Win7 is Media Centre! It looks much more polished and fluid, with a real focus on multimedia! Once audio drivers are released for my Auzen X-FI Xplosion Cinema 7.1 for Windows 7, I'll switch my HTPC over to it and leave Vista behind (Vista is leaps and bounds better than Windows XP MCE IMO)

 ghot, I think you should do as suggested, and write your own OS from scratch and make it 100% perfect and never need to change it ever again and leave the rest of us alone!

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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dracx619

i would say that msft peaked with xp for YOU. which is sad in way but also funny because in turn you will think im sad for "buying into this bs" bla bla bla. bottom line, ive been messing with 7 since build 7000 first leaked and ive very much enjoyed the experience and so have the majority of users ive come in contact with whether it be in person or various forums and sites. i dont find it fair that you use all these generalizations on how msft isnt doing anything right and coming up with all these nonsense conspiracies when they are quite frankly and bluntly...stupid.

 from a business standpoint, they have to do something, they cant just be hashing out service packs for a dinosaur of an OS for free. how are they gona make money? then theres an increasing demand for aesthetics (partly due to apple and al their i crap) and as retarded as that sounds ,they need to cater to that since your average joe user is a sucker for eye candy. then with aesthetics comes all the changes that pertain to a new os and what seems to be a wide spread consensus is that this OS is going to be great. also, how is using the same os going to propel the user experience and overall technology forward? do you honestly believe youll be using xp 10 years from now? anyone for that mater? i bet youll easily say "no one will be using any msft crap if they keep doing what they are doing!" gimme a break. there can't be no progress if there is no CHANGE. you can think, "why change something good" well if we all thought that way, wed still be stuck flinging our crap at eachother and wearing loin cloths. with vista, it was bad change, but because of those mistakes, they were able to go back to the drawing board and make something bettter (where the majority think its better and a small group of tards like you still refuse to embrace any change)

in my personal experience, my workflow has increased since switching to 7. believe me, i use everything: xp, vista, linux, mac, and 7. for production work, mac still provides me the fastest workflow but i hate how they structure files. after a quick and easy mod to 7, i reach and surpass mac and all the other oses. not to mention networking, file sharing, organizing, and handling multimedia is WAY easier and enjoyable in 7.  

so whatever dude, the only conclusion i have is that you are simply a hater. almost every topic i see you comment on, you are just talking smack about anything new. just go live in your cave with your ancient self or go build your own OS, your own cpu, just build the whole thing yourself from scratch. you can easily say it isn't your job to do that, but you do enough complaining and whining to warrant that statement

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santosmm

These people from MS do not know what more to do to sell his new OS, better give us for free licenses of Windows 7 buying licenses XP..... Windows 7 will be another FIASCO like VISTA was

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dracx619

i highly doubt that given its immense praise from the majority of users

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MRrelabled

It doesn't, I'm not planning on buying Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate edition just look how vista Ultimate edition went. Ripp off.

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DOOMHAMMA

There is no reason to sit out W7 with XP, since you get the best of both worlds. As a gamer, I am highly anticipating W7, and this made me even more eager now.

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darrellfjohnson

This probably won't affect many home users since most comsumer programs that are only compatible with XP have been either dumped or will work in some type of compatibility mode.  But this could be good for some businesses.  I think it's a smart move by MS.

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knexkid

What is the difference between this and running applications in compatibility mode? Has compatibility mode every done anything for anyone????

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darrellfjohnson

Well compatibility mode is just emulation it doesn't work 100% for every program.  But this is a full Windows XP install virtualized which means the only limitations will probably be graphic intensive programs/games and system utilities like antiviruses.  But hypothetically every regular program that is only compatible with Windows XP should work flawlessly.

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Crazybillybob

I've used Compatibility mode in the past to Save small businesses allot of
money. It's allowed them to keep running specialized Software that was not
written for XP. The Cost of the upgrades (when available), Training, lost
productivity, etc would have been more then a smaller business could afford and
still be profitable.

The Virtual PC/Server has helped us save on development, and deployment
costs.
For MS to see the light and roll this feature into 7 is a good thing for businesses.
<p>Also helps me pick a version of 7....(assuming that pro/ultimate features
stay the same at launch)

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