So What Was Razer's Big Secret? A Gaming Laptop

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Morete

Since Razer claims that PCs are not dead, maybe Razer can buy HP's desktop/notebook/tablet/printer thingy and we can have another nice viable OEM PC alternative.

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Eoraptor

it's a nice idea in theory, but 1.) razer is nowhere NEAR big enough to buy an HP (that would be akin to the mozilla foundation buying microsoft's browser and web arm) and 2.) HP is a mainstream PC maker, not a performance or boutique shop. It would take years (decades in PC terms) for Razer to reorient the HP/Compaq monolith, and they would probably go bankrupt in the process.

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publicimage

I have to say this thing is pretty sexy. And the trackpad on the right = brilliant! I think I would love this machine for portable video editing more than for games, but it's missing an eSATA port which I think really should be there for the price. Although USB 3 is not a bad alternative. Maybe streeet price will be more reasonable? Razer, I'll make a deal with ya: $1,900 for a 15-inch model and you've got yourself a customer.

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devin3627

This is not intended for the author of the article but the company razor's idea. and I would like to say the "f" bomber with this as well. fuck you. you know why?

1. its the price of a dozen xbox 360s
2. its battery life must be hell.
3. "im going to bring this to school to game all the time." dumb fucking idea! it disgusts me.
4. for $2800, i could be a sli machine that would kick ass years to come.
5. whoever has the money for this fucker is too busy working.
6. its tottaly out of porporation in the gaming world, people dont even have LAN parties the crazy amount they used to.

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SouthernTech

Min-Liang in his presentation even admitted that the price point is mainly for enthusiasists that want incredible portability.  His focus of the "PC Gaming isn't dead" was that there was room for increased focus on mobile gaming.  He conceded that the money could be put towards a kickass desktop (using Razer products, of course), and reiterated it was for the portability factor(calling the alienware/asus 3" thick, 10-15lb laptops as 'luggables').

That keyboard was cool to see in action up close and I wish I could have see the tracking in a FPS on the trackpad.  You could feel the enthusiasm from his speech and it wasn't bad, just wasn't as 'groundbreaking' as I thought it would be.

 

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Wingzero_x

No, since like most everything else they are forgetting those with a more sinister nature!

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Dukarma

This is a pretty good idea, and seems like a good Razer product, but the price is where it loses me. For that much, one could build a gaming desktop that is way better. It could could probably be justified if the processor was to be upgraded to at least a quad, maybe even a hex.

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devin3627

well said.

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chinomon

they got me, until they went and said the price tag lol same here

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KnightXENO

It really is disappointing though.  I can't help but think of how much of an almost this is.  It has some definate features people will probably pay a premium for, but just doesn't do quite enough and too much of a price point.

There really is a reasonably large segment that might consider a gaming labtop with a premium sticker for above quality build quality, and small formfactor... as long as it remains powerful.

1) The switchblade interface could, if implemented just right, finally allow good gaming control without requiring a mouse.  And for when you still need one (twitch FPS etc), the hud functionality could definately serve some benefit in for example RTS when its not being used tactily much.

2) If you travel alot, especially overseas, labtops are the only feasible peice of power computing availible to you.  I remember getting a overpriced "botique" gaming labtop, because power was iffy 3rd world (which powerbrick and adapters helped)... and I had to take the thing flying every 3months.

3) I hated the above labtop though, its weight made it feel like a rock, and it honestly sat only on a desk (not so mobile).  On top of that the build quality and sturdyness wasn't exactly great, and accidental damage was always a concern.  Something known to be sturdy and much more portable would have definately been worth some more $ in hindsight (but said option didn't exist).

That said, they either need to adjust the price point down some, or needed to be more ambitious hardware wise.

1) Over $2k is just a deal breaker.  It may end up being your primary rig for 1-3 years if the customer was in similar circumstances to myself as above, but the customer is still going to measure it to cheaper more powerful computers (both shuttle style rigs and non-portable desktop replacement labtops).  Portablity can only demand so much of a premium before people start deciding they DON'T need that level of gaming at all times and just leave it at home/appartment/etc.

2) Its really not amitious enough hardware wise.  No one is asking for a desktop, but I really wonder how much gaming power would be lost/gained by a different approach?  The GPU is doing most of the work in almost all games today; why not consider a AMD/ATI solution taking advantage of an on-die APU + high end labtop videocard for hybrid crossfire?  Extends battery life when less muscle is needed, and possibly a GPU boost on gaming at the cost of some processor power.  I mean this is marketed as a gaming labtop right, no need for a more balaced CPU v GPU layout.  I'm not stessing my 2y old quadcore doing almost anything except folding currently....

3) If the switchblade is whats increasing the price so much.... subsidize it for a while.  Not quite the same pockets as sony/MS/nintendo, but they could definately sell each switchblade equiped unit at cost or even a small loss at first.  They are really trying to get it to catch on as a peripheral to pitch a total lineup from what I can see [netbook/tablet hybrid units to play older games on the low end, and premium formfactor labtop on highend].  Won't make penetration into either market if tasting price is too high...

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dakishimesan

If it had a 500GB SSD, the price would seem more reasonable.  As it is, it has a 320GB 7200RPM platter hd!  For a $2800 system that is pretty slow.  Even a 120-240GB SSD would be more in line with the pricetab. 

Maybe $2800 is MSRP, and it will retail for more like $1999.  The truth is, it makes the MBP 15in w/ Radeon 5760 with windows look pretty good as a gaming laptop.

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KnightXENO

Ouch, even worse.  I assumed it had a SSD, just not listed.  No SSD is even more of a deal breaker :/

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lindethier

I like the design and everything, but the price is just too much. If they could drop it down quite a bit then I would prolly pick one of these up. That or just upgrade my gaming rig I have at home.

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weavil

that 555m is 128bit on bus yah?

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strykyr

No way in hell ima pay that much for that paticular laptop.  That fancy keyboard looks awesome.  I'd rather go to alienware and drop that on an sli laptop.  But since I still wouldn't spend that much on any laptop...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152267

if they still have it come tax time I'll even add one of the extended warranties and guarentee it'll last 2 or 3 years.  If they don't I'll just get what they have that is similarly specced and priced.

Had an Asus G72GX.  Died 2 days before the warranty expired and Asus tried to milk those last two days.  Then called up Best Buy where I bought it.  Turns out Geek Squad is an authorized repair center for Asus.  They did me even worse.  So fuck Asus ROG and Best buy.  So yeah Ima get a uber warranty.

 

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TheZomb

If you have ever bought one of those high end alienware laptops then you know what a pain in the ass it is to take advantage of their "portability". Many people don't think people who buy gaming laptops want portability, and that is just not true.

Many college students want a laptop they can not only take from class to class, but one they can go over to a friends dorm or a common area table and play a modern gaming title on. Alienware laptops just don't offer this kind of portability, they are way to bulky. The only thing their portability is designed for is taking the thing to lan party where you won't move for a few hours, desktops are cheaper and can be used this way as well.

Most of the current gaming laptops aren't much more portable than equivalent desktops, if you attached your monitor to your desktop tower they would be about the same. The dimensions and power combination of Razer's laptop are exactly what is missing from the current generation of laptops.

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gothliciouz

i wonder who do they target with this? because any hardcore gamer wouldn't play on a laptop!

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kixofmyg0t

are you kidding me?

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ducis

WHY ARE ALL OF ITS USB PORTS ON THE LEFT SIDE?????

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CalDrumr

When you said 2640M, 8 GB and 555M, I thought $1,800.  When I saw they tacked another thousand on, my dreams of having one of these were immediately shattered.  Seriously, for nearly three grand, I can get a much, much better laptop.

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iceman08

I was thinking 1800 as well, and that's being generous. 2800 for what's in it, I can find other laptops in that pricerange with better specs. I am NOT paying $1000 extra for the brand name

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adspie

$2,800 i can custom build High end desktop + watercooling + 30" LCD.. if that razer will go to 13" ultraportable i'll buy it

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tekknyne

People still use water cooling? Neat. My 2500K hit 5GHz on air.

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aferrara50

High end can't be had for less than $10,000 for a fully wced setup (using quality parts, not xspc 750 rasa kit crap). It's impossible. I have nearly that in wc parts in just one rig. "High end" you're looking at $3,000+ just for wc parts and another $7-10K in hardware

 

High end:

Cpu blocks: 2x Kryos .925 $560

GPU Blocks: 4x aqua grfx full cover blocks$600-$800

Radiators: 4-5x GTX 480/560s $1000

Pumps: dual ubermodded D5s $400

and that's without the $400+ in fittings needed. How are you building a high end system for $2800?

 

 

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goldn

What can you do with all that power though? I have a $1350 build (including 24" monitor) and it can run crysis/crysis2 at 50+ fps. I'm going to be able to play BF3 at max settings as well and probably all other new games for the next year or so. I'm just seriously wondering what people do with their super high end pc's that requires all that power.

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aferrara50

surround gaming, stocks, folding, law research. Also, running 2560x1600 resolution even sli 480s struggle to max out settings even on a single panel. Can't afford something to lock up or slow down while multitasking. Need it to be as fast as possible with extremely high reliability. The cooling also keeps hardware degredation to a minimum. Even though if you forego the cooling you'd be able to afford another computer to replace the one that's being cooled, it's a hassle to build and replace it when there isn't much free time to piddle around.

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ssmithT

That's more like high high end (the overkill money sink type). 5ghz 2600k, two or three 580s is high end. (Since "high end" is subjective) If you have money to burn then fine, but the RASA kit is a nice set.

 

Cpu blocks: Top 5 cpu blocks are all within about a degree of one another.

Gpu blocks: 4 aquagraFX 580 blocks can be had for $480 (great block btw)

Radiators: That is compleatly unnessicary, way over the top. Just one GTX480 can cool 1000w at a 6 degree delta. The 480 is only $130, 130 x 4 = 520.

Pumps: Again, unnessicary. (Hope you have the flow turned down) Two is nice for redundancy, but that pump is overkill.

$400 in fittings? What are they solid gold? That's 40, very nice compression fittings.

 

I personally think it's stupid to spend nearly that much on water cooling, if you're willing to spend that much on a cooling solution go with phase change (you'll certainly get better performance). Or why not buy a water chiller?

What hardware are you running anyway?

I'm not trying to say there is anything wrong with shelling out that much for a setup, but don't crap on other people's idea of high end.

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aferrara50

the kryos .925 is around 2-3C difference compared to even the supreme hf, kryos xt, and cpu370. There aren't many reviews, but a fellow forum member did some testing compated to the cpu 370 and that's what the difference ended up being. Whether that is worth another $180 is up to you, but high end is high end. the supreme and such are mid range and the rasa is budget. All bitspower 1/2, 3/4 rotary fittings. On the build I'm working on I'm at $315 in fittings without even having any of the fittings needed for the waterblocks yet, only the ones for the rads, reservoir, and pumps. I'm going after the mythical 1C delta with a 1500watt system and to cool it relatively quietly (1700rpms fans). The performance difference between a high and mid range wc setup is minimal, but there's a HUGE difference in part quality.

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aferrara50

take a look on overclock.net under user fat_italian_stallion. I have a few build logs in the watercooling section

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ssmithT

Ahh, so that's who you are. I thought something about you seemed familiar.

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Eoraptor

God, hate on much, guys and gals? "it's too expensive, it won't run windows 8, it's too expensive"

Aren't you ALL the same people reading a magazine that yearly puts out an issue with machines pushing $5k or more, often with technology that is also , if not last year's, at least last month's? Frankly, I think its rereshing, The desktop replacement segment has pretty much been Alienware, Lenovo, and the people chasing Alienware and Lenovo, and the only thing particularly unique from either of them was the secondary screen on the lenovo WDS, and that came out more than three years ago.

Finally we see someone bucking the trend of "laptop in name only" as well as bringing something particularly unique to the sector, and all you can do is piss and moan about paying the same for of price for this that you would on the same lenovo or alienware machines with a few gotchas attached to them like SSD drives.

Yes, this ~IS~ the direction computers are going, and have been going for a few years now. Look at all the machines which are All-in-ones instead of tower layouts, and people who buy laptops as desktop replacements even when they aren't designed for such. And OF COURSE look at the fact that both major processor vendors are switching to on-chip video specifically because of this trend. So it can't play Crysis at resolutions which make brave men weep. It ~can~ play them at playable resolutions, which is all the vast majority of users, even power users, require most of the time.

Could you at least wait until someone has reviewed it in action before pissing all over the thing?

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TerribleToaster

 

We have no problems with a expensive computer... as long as the price get's you something worthwhile. The internals of the laptop are subpar, so you won't be seeing it surpass other gaming laptops in performance which is an issue because it won't have any staying power in a industry where the bleeding edge is fully obsolete within 2 years, what it really has is a $1k+ keyboard... I don't feel that it's worth it to me. Nor do other people apparently. When I drop 10 grand on a computer, I want my money's worth.

 

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PCLinuxguy

I think that this comment you made, TerribleToaster is right on target and makes the most sense out of the comments.  You get what you pay for, but the biggest price item on there is the keyboard.  For $1000 less you could get something with similar spec that'll do the same, aside from the features of said keyboard, but even then there's ways around that.   I'm actually surprised it's not running the GTX 580M vs the triple 5 it's got in there at this point. I definitely see going more to Alienware for something like this for now, but I do like that Razer was willing to try something new and step out of doing only periprhials as well as put in a non standard keyboard to make it stand out against it's competition.

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neros1x

I want one! But seeing as my $650 Acer laptop runs games just fine, I don't see myself dropping $2800 on a new laptop anytime soon. 

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FuriousDre

They say PC gaming isn't dead(We all knew that), and reveal a $2800 laptop for gaming. Gee, makes sense.

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bpstone

$2,800 is too much money for any consumer laptop. Computer technology changes too fast to spend a mint on computers.

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aferrara50

it's honestly not that expensive for what it is. You pay for the entire build, including the form factor. I have no problem shelling out for a system if I'll use it. That's honestly quite cheap for something that compares with a MBPro. Paid almost 4k for mine and it's worth every penny for what I do with it. On the other hand Desktops don't have as much room to be expensive unless super high end parts are used. Most companies don't even sell an "expensive" desktop. Only Origin, Peuget, and Digital Storm do. Even then they all leave something to be desired

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illusionslayer

" Only Origin, Peuget, and Digital Storm do."

Are you kidding? iBuyPower, Dell, Alienware, FalconNorthwest, Velocity Micro, AVADirect, and Maingear all come to mind.

The point is that this level of performance can be had for $1,000 less and a custom trackpad really can't justify that extra $1,000.

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hammeredtoast

This honestly isn't what I expected. I really, honestly, expected Razer to begin publishing twitch action games.

I am sadly mistaken.

This price is insane for a notebook.

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merrygoround

It's really awesome, no doubt, but at $2800, I'll never afford one.

 

P.S. It's name is really lame.

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UberLaff

It's about time a company decided to innovate in the PC space!

Now, Razer how do I convince my Boss that this will improve my productivity at work?

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Peanut Fox

I think Razer has a Star Wars the Old Republic branded desktop keyboard with the same muilti touch panel and bindable keys.  Interesting concept to place in a laptop.  It's a nice looking machine, though I don't think I'd buy one.  I'm not very big into mobile computing beyond carrying a smart phone.

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TerribleToaster

I was hoping for the full switchblade concept, but I figured it would turn out like this. I'm willing to bet half the price comes from the semi-switchblade keyboard. It is a wonderful concept (the switchblade) but it costs far too much. This laptop is really just their attempt at making the switchblade economical, and I'm thankful for the effort, but it's still too much.

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Brad Nimbus

It looks to me that this thing is riddled with shit that won't be compatible with windows 8. Not really a big deal but I've been shafted by that before.

My first lappy was a toshiba single core laptop, right before duallys became the norm. Vista bogged it down so much so of course I went the xp route....... No dice. Last year I tried installing windows 7 on it and of course nothing worked since toshiba couldn't take the time to update. After that experience I avoid laptops altogether.

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Eoraptor

So your inability to make an educated PC purchase or upgrade means this is a bad laptop? Thanks, I'll make that my new benchmark for all decisions from here on.

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Brad Nimbus

Did I say it was a bad laptop? Nope. Thanks from now on I'll use your comment as a benchmark for being stupid.

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streetking

i love how you complain about incompatibility with windows 8 (as if it is a problem for razer to deal with), and then mention vista. what makes you think youre going to WANT windows 8?

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Brad Nimbus

Did I really complain or did I make an honest observation? I love windows 7 but like my the point my story was trying to make I want to make sure I'm future proof. No I wouldn't buy this laptop because I don't like laptops. I have my box that I built and I'm happy with it.

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win7fanboi

like the build quality and the minor innovations but 2-300$ is all I would pay on top of a similar spec'ed notebook. Also, I would only buy it if it was available in 14". But then again I am not a hardcore gamer nor one that mainly games on a laptop.

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Aerumnosus

I think my ass just burst into flames from my wallet after seeing that price tag. Awsome looking Laptop but  think i would take $2800.00 and build myself one hell of a desktop imo.

I still love ya Razer :)

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