Shalbatana

January 23, 2012 at 8:31am

For "no upgrade path", should we read "no way to significantly pile on more DRM"?

VGA and DVI are both reliable, VGA is no doubt limited in this day and age. However as long as there's [cheap] adapters (that preferably come in the package) to let things work with the older products that still have them, I say let's move on.

praack

January 23, 2012 at 7:46am

you can see the need for VGA to go by virture of the display quality

however DVI - the only reason it is being supplanted is DRM

Both HDMI and Display Port support the closed loop DRM systems, Display Port is more attractive to OEMs because it has a lower license fee.

DVI does not support the DRM scheme- so of course no one (including Microsoft) want you to use it.

Onthe other hand- how many monitors have HMDI and Display port ? almost all have DVI.

and if you are rocking those stupit monitor speakers you have a brain issue

Bullwinkle J Moose

January 22, 2012 at 12:05pm

HDMI and Displayport are malware

But malware and spyware are not just limited to these 2 hardware specs

For example,

DRM Removal is illegal yet you will find many many links to such articles and software with a google search

Pirated software is also illegal yet you can find such software with very little effort

So the question is, if pirated software and tampering with DRM is illegal, why would pirates add malware such as a virus, worm, spyware etc. to the vast majority of "illegal" software found on the Internet or blatantly provide links to illegal DRM removal techniques?

The answer of course is that they wouldn't

The only people who would prevent you from using a program that circumvents copyrights by adding tracking malware, spyware etc. are the companies who make the software or those associated with them for the sole purpose of clamping down on their illegally gotten gains, reigns of power, and control over the public in general

To show you how rediculous the situation is,I propose implementing my own personal MRM (Media Rights Management) software and hardware that prevents ALL current and future versions of DRM from functioning on any current or future hardware or software and only allows hardware, software and media to operate correctly for the benefit of MY corporation and shereholders!

Suddenly, the Corporations who benefit from current implimentations of DRM are all up in arms with "Their" lawyers and "Their" judges in "Their" Courts

MRM could be used to lock down and prevent from running, any media, software or computer that does not comply with my MRM specifications

Those specifications would include but not be limited to......

Well, you get the idea!

They are all for controlling me but suddenly are totally against the idea of me controlling them

My idea I just outlined is rediculous but for a very good reason!
You would never want ME to control how YOU use YOUR computer, yet you seem to think its fine for a select un-named few to do exactly that to ME!

DRM is malware and YOU have the right to prevent malware from running on YOUR computer

Making malware LEGAL for the benefit of some at the expense of others is what? Extortion? Blackmail?

If I demand that the entire industry lock down the bootloader on ALL future hardware to prevent Microsoft or any other closed source malware from loading and that would only allow open source operating systems that do not restrict what you can use your computer for and have been independently verified to not contain spyware such as registration verification and tracking information, then the age of malware would end

Allowing Companies profit by adding malware to their closed source systems and then claiming "THEY" would be harmed financially if they were to open their sourcecode is a crime on many different levels

When the public is not allowed to catch criminals because the criminals make all of their actions legal and everyone elses actions illegal and the courts go allong with them because the Gov't is a beneficiary to the spyware embedded in those closed source systems, its time for some real change

I personally do not recognize any license, patent, copyright, court order or law that allows a select few to rule over me with impunity with rights that I can never have and neither should YOU

A terrorist by any other name is still a terrorist

Philippe Lemay

January 22, 2012 at 10:18am

It can't come soon enough if you ask me... I was super excited about the upcoming Rasberry Pi, I was thinking of getting one for all my friends! But really... 90% of the people I know have ancient TVs or monitors that have never heard of HDMI.

The sooner the big-H becomes the universal standard, the better.

maverick knight

January 21, 2012 at 6:06pm

From all the comments I have read, nobody has mention that HDMI supports video and sound in one cable. To be honest, my eyes never noticed the difference between HDMI and DVI. One thing, I needed an extra SPDIF cable for audio. DVI does not allow audio passthrough, I do not know about DisplayPort, though. Yes, I am aware of the SPDIF cable that can be hooked from the mobo to the sound card or video card.

My set up is HDMI from the PC to TV and an optic cable from TV to home theatre. My PS3 is also connected to the TV so this way I can get rid of one or two extra cables.

You can argue all you want about spliting video and audio source is better than all together but reality is that the difference (if any) you would not notice.

noobstix

January 21, 2012 at 1:05pm

I just switched over to going pure DVI-D almost a year ago when I found a cable to fit my Acer H233H monitor. Before that, I used VGA to DVI since my (R.I.P.) Viewsonic monitor still had a VGA port (along with a DVI-D). To be honest, DVI still looks pretty sharp to me. The only way I would switch to HDMI is if I buy a new video card in 2015 (or later).

scoop6274

January 21, 2012 at 12:14pm

I like the fact that my current Acer 23" monitor has both DVI and VGA on it. I use the DVI for my desktop, and I use the VGA for my old P3 1ghz dual processor file server. I just switch the input on the monitor and viola, the computer I need comes up. Love that simplicity. Plus then I don't need a kvm switch which only switched the monitor because it wouldn't pass my wireless keyboard and mouse through the ps2 port with an USB adapter. For now I will continue to use my old yet wonderfully capable equipment.

therestorestore

January 21, 2012 at 12:07pm

from an OEM standpoint I would guess these are the reasons-

VGA - old, analog, takes up space, time for it to die
DVI - Yes it is digital, but DVI is a large connector with many pins. That's an expense in materials AND space.
DRM - There probably is pressure from TPTB to implement DRM connectivity in all products - hello HDMI and DP.

The new connectors are smaller and smaller is often times less expensive.

Bullwinkle J Moose

January 21, 2012 at 10:38am

I thought HDMI and Display port were both DRM SPYWARE/MALWARE and DVI/VGA were NON DRM SPYWARE/MALWARE

Are all these posts starting to sound like the propaganda used to get you off of NON DRM copies of XP so that everyone would use the DRM SPYWARE versions of XP, Vista and Windows 7 ?

Or the propaganda used to get everyone to use only expensive Spyware filled pieces of crap software that prevents you from getting any actual work done instead of software that just simply works out of the box without running to the Evilnet to report every little thing we do ?

PLEASE, Correct me if I'm wrong as I wouldn't want to sound like one of the propaganda shills that swarm these forums like little troll versions of DRM MALWARE!

dakishimesan

January 21, 2012 at 3:44am

i loved u dvi, but only displayport supports silky-smooth 120hz refresh lcd's... so it's THE FUTURE.

carage

January 20, 2012 at 9:33pm

I just used my DP for the first time today.
R.I.P DVI.
Viva HDMI!

dwellman

January 20, 2012 at 7:56pm

I hate DisplayPort. . only because just about every monitor I get my hands on is HDMI. . . so I have to use an adapter (I'm looking at YOU Lenovo). But it's royalty free, so what you gonna do?

Also: Good Douglas Adams reference.

winmaster

January 20, 2012 at 7:11pm

Wow, and I'm still dreaming of the day when I can upgrade to DVI.

tri8gman

January 20, 2012 at 6:44pm

I wasn't aware there was an important difference between HDMI and DVI in computers, since the adapter cable for HDMI male to DVI male works in both directions and has no signal conversion.

DVI to VGA adapters only work with DVI-I connections, which contain the extra pins to support VGA output. VGA to DVI would require a conversion box, since VGA is analog. A recent Intel Atom box I built has a motherboard that is purely digital - the integrated video adapter has no VGA out (it's a DVI-D port, which doesn't have the few extra pins).

I haven't worked with DisplayPort yet at all to know much about it.

JohnP

January 20, 2012 at 6:33pm

I am pretty sure that HDMI has exactly the same signal flow as DVI-D but just in a different package. Anyone?

Vano

January 20, 2012 at 6:25pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but HDMI does not provide the same "crisp" image as DVI, at least when I connected 36" TV to 430GT card it didn't recognize the native resolution and when I manually switched to it, it still looked fuzzy. With DVI it was plug'n play, no hassle, worked immediately.

P.S.
Correction, TV has VGA port, not DVI, still the above is valid in my case.

imagonex

January 20, 2012 at 5:58pm

I won't miss either one. I think they are both clunky and awkward to use at times. Bad design for quick swap. Make a connector that's easy snap on/off, I'll take it any day over these. Heck, make a optical fiber connection with nice thin yet durable cable and I'll pay for that right now.

titan8813

January 20, 2012 at 5:48pm

Three of the five monitors in our home have VGA-only input support, so we're due to get phased out anyway. Of the other two, one has VGA/DVI and the other (a TV) has VGA & 2xHDMI.

fallout330

January 20, 2012 at 5:36pm

Sad, I just started using DVI for PC to Monitor, over the last 2 years....yeah I know I'm behind, before that it's been VGA for the last 15 years or so.

Nimrod

January 20, 2012 at 5:30pm

I tried connecting a Displayoport to my penis and nothing happened.

dukeofurl

January 20, 2012 at 5:31pm

I understand why VGA is going out, because it's Analog, but DVI, why is it going away? What do we have that is better? HDMI and Display port aren't really any BETTER, they're just other. How are they any better really?

tony2tonez

January 20, 2012 at 4:56pm

still running DVI but since im not a pc gamer or have a need for HDMI or Displayport, yet. I will continue to use as such.

dakishimesan

January 20, 2012 at 4:32pm

i love articles like this. i will miss dvi, and i will have a little funeral, but still i can't count the number of times i have cursed incessantly while trying to plug in a dvi cord sight-unseen. it's like even if it's all lined up it makes you think it's not bc of the insertion pressure required. yet as the digital alternative to vga, it rocked. no more finely tuning the screen edge alignment -- an ocd person's nightmare.

Duck Dodgers

January 20, 2012 at 4:29pm

Still DVI here. I have a 4 year old 24" Benq that does 1920x1200 and it does the job. Perhaps when I upgrade to 30" in the next few years I'll switch to display port.

Number Six

January 20, 2012 at 4:10pm

I still miss my 24" Sony GDM-W900. Of course, I used the BNC connectors not VGA.

MastaGuy

January 20, 2012 at 3:59pm

I don't want to buy a new monitor but I'm building my first computer and luckily I found a GTX 550 Ti with a VGA port. Without it, I'd have to pay $150 after paying $850 for parts