Snarky Microsoft Director Tweets Support for Always-On Consoles

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zEric7x

I agree with most of Adam Orth comments. I think in this day and age most people can have a decent internet connection. Sorry for the people who can’t but I don’t care.

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jbitzer

Glad that you don't care about a months dead controversy that was reversed a long time ago, but facts belie your statements.

Maybe look up broadband penetration before acting like an authority on it. 30% of America is a significant number.

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HenryT

I live in Microsoft's backyard. I know lots of people who work for them. They've become just another mega-corporation that prioritizes marketing over products. They hire d*#chebag marketing executives to hawk their inferior products that are based on what the stock market thinks will make money (which basically just reflects what a bunch of d*#chebag traders and bankers think).

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luke904

"Adam Orth: I want every device to be 'always on.'"

Does nobody realize how stupid always on devices are from a security standpoint?

Always keeping that connection open...

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Cregan89

First of all... Has everybody lost their fucking minds with the whole "what a jerk" thing? Go check out Snooki's twitter page or the thousands of news articles of kids who killed themselves because of the endless and horrible bullying they were subject to online... And this guy is an asshole for joking "why on Earth would I live there" to an industry friend?

Second of all, guaranteed the new Xbox is going to have the ability to install games from disc to the hard drive and allow you to play your games without inserting the disc, but in order to be allowed to do so you will need an internet connection to ensure that you can't play two instances of the game on two different Xbox's at the same time. If you don't have an internet connection, you have to insert the game disc.

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PCLinuxguy

first of all wtf does this website have to do with the lowlife piece of shmit snooki or bullying? your entire first paragraph is nothing but "I like to hear myself talk and I'll insert unrelated crap into a forum where it doesn't belong" crap..
second of all if you read the comments and understood how technology worked like everyone else on here does, you'd see that the always on is a bad idea and all it does is allow yourself to get spied on with everything you do on the device.

being spied on by a private company without a warrant or cause other than because they can is bad #dealwithit :-)

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praack

required always on just deal with it,

well not good for my relatives in rural america where satelite coverage is not that great - slow, expensive and cuts out with weather. - and not always that great anyway because they live in them mountains- but hey - he won't move there anyway....

guess they don't deserve the new 720

Just like they discovered they did not deserve the new Hi def TV shows since they are not line of site to any stations and the satellite is well,expensive, cuts out with weather, almost out of site range due to the mountains.....

oh well.....

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r3dd4wg

Adam's tweets were loud and clear. They basically said, "F*CK YOU ALL!". #dealwithit

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Blues22475

Indeed.

Though the backlash pretty much is saying "Adam, you're a F@#!*ing moron!

I guess if you really support something to the point of being completely obvious to the negatives of it, it justifies all your comments (regardless how dumb they really are).

What gets me about it is that he acts like a 14 year old with his retorts. Thank god Adam isn't a spokesman for MS.

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PCLinuxguy

I can understand his viewpoint for the 'always-on' concept, but that's still no excuse for him to be a jerk, especially on social networking. Too bad this is Microsoft we're talking about, as I'd have just fired him for making the company look bad publicly, as they're already dealing with legal issues in the EU for being monopolistic with it's built in browser.

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Shalbatana

At the risk of being flamed, I know first hand that a typed message, no matter how meticulously detailed, can be interpreted the wrong way on the other end, so I would be inclined to give him the benefit of doubt.

That said, my Wii is "connected" all the time, but it is not REQUIRED. That's how it should be.

For all these companies that think always on drm is the way to go, why take such a hard line? Why not make it a requirement that one logs on once every 5th or 10th time? or at least forgives if the user playes five or so times without logging on? Why is this a black and white issue? Some shade of gray here would still achieve "security" and yet make customers very happy.

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big_montana

Requiring a persistent Internet connection would seemingly limit the audience for Microsoft's next system. Even today, only 68.2 percent of households in the United States have access to broadband Internet,73 percent of US Xbox 360 owners had broadband in the home. Broadband subscription rates are much lower in developing countries like Russia and Brazil, which just got Xbox Live service in 2010.

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TechGoudy

Unless the new Xbox will come with a network card inside that links to a satellite that Microsoft has deployed in various parts of the world (which is very unlikely), this always-on thing will come up to bite them in the butt.

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buckeyebri32

I will tell you that being a soldier in the military, Xbox was probably the favored console having the HALO series, plus the other FPS franchises. In three deployments to Afghanistan, my Xbox for myself and others was a great way to relax and unwind after a hard day. But most of the places we setup, no internet. If Xbox 720 requires always-on, and PS4 does not, I could see people leaving Xbox and Halo behind for something they could use in some of the less forgiving places the military sends them.

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MaximumPC_Reader

Don't you think this kind of thing is bad for the ISP's with the un-needed increased network traffic, and possibly irritating them to the point they implement more stringent data caps or time online restrictions because of this type of abuse.
The internet is a wonderful thing. I just hate to see it get abused by the industry to the point it's no longer a reasonable household utility.

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FireGarden

Good point. I think some of these people don't live in the real world.

I'm absolutely sure the world is moving to an 'always on' paradigm - it's a good thing and it will happen - but the infrastructure is nowhere near being in place yet, and I think these idiots somehow forget that. It's like Google with the Chrome Book idea: drone computers will be commonplace, but now is not the time. First lets get the internet 99.99% reliable and a similar percentage coverage amount.

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vrmlbasic

The "always on paradigm" is not a good thing :(

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FireGarden

I'm thinking more technological than gaming and software related when I refer to 'always on' - but it's going to happen there too. Driver-less cars, personal health monitoring, intelligent domestic appliances and a million other applications I can't think of right now!

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Kinetic

As someone who was following this story as it was unfolding I highly doubt this guy was joking at any point. It's one thing to be sarcastic and maybe let some poeple overreact before saying "gotcha" and moving on, but when you post a series of incredibly narrow minded rash-generalizations and then vehemently defend them before turning everything off and setting your account to private, that's damage control.

I'm also sick of people who say "nah bro I was just TROLLING you" when they're called out. It seems like whenever someone posts an idiotic comment and gets called out by the community for being an idiot they run to this excuse. The far more likely explanation to me is that Adam wasn't "trolling" anyone, and is really just an opinionated asshole who would rather talk down to his customers than listen to them.

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PDX-1337

agreed

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beta212

He was probably just telling the truth, as microsoft saw it. The only thing "unofficial" about it is they said it on twitter. This fact, coupled with the rumor that PS4 is going to be more powerful makes me want to buy the PS4 more. But if they both have to be online I'll just buy a cheapish 60 dollar board and a hundred dollar apu and be done with it.

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FireGarden

I agree completely. There is no way he was joking or 'trolling'.

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wolfing

It's Microsoft's new Windows 8 attitude all over again. "This is what you want! You probably don't know it yet, but really, believe us, you want this. If you think you don't like it our way, you're wrong!"

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PDX-1337

The guy is a friggin douchebag, him saying he was trolling is bull-$hit, just trying to back-peddle.

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boidsonly

As a director he represented MS-he lost his comportment of office and dropped to the troll level. I suspect he is regretting that and will probably pay the ultimate employment price.

I think there is a lesson to be learned here: Don't be an Orthbag...

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FireGarden

Excuse my language, but this guy is a f#@*ing buffoon. I live in the UK, and here in rural parts the internet is still unreliable. Why would anyone buy an XBox when there is no guarantee they will be able to play THEIR games WHEN THEY CHOOSE? I hope M$ aren't that stupid - but their bull-headedness over Windows 8 doesn't give me hope. They need to start hiring people with brains again. As people have said, this is more likely to push people to piracy. It would me, if it meant I could play MY games when I want without an internet connection.

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FireGarden

I was in a happy mood before I read this story! Thanks Paul! ;)

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Scatter

Rumor is that Orth was fired.

How sad.

Meanwhile the trolls will move on to another target.

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Scatter

Lighten up Francis.

While I don't necessarily agree with him I don't see anything wrong with what he said. I find it ridiculous that you feel that Adam Orth, or even worse, Microsoft, should have to apologize because you disagree with his opinion in a tweet. Should Maximum PC have to officially apologize because I disagree with you?

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Paul_Lilly

Sharing his opinion(s) isn't the problem, it's that he chose to talk down to and, by his own admission, troll potential customers. As an employee of Microsoft, it reflects poorly on the company. Apparently Microsoft agrees and has since issued an apology:

"We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers.  We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."

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Cyk0

I can understand how you feel but if you think about what he is saying and what position he holds as well as being a customer, any rational person would want an apology. If I'm in a public place and I basically walked up to you with rude behavior, I'd expect at the very least that you'd want an explanation or an apology.

On the flip side of things, I don't believe his comments are serious as the responses were very asinine to the point he was obviously trolling. The point here is he shouldn't have trolled in the first place as a man in his position has responsibilities to the public view of the company he works for.

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Scatter

I don't feel that he was rude, at least no more so than the people that were messaging him. I'd rather that a representative of a company be honest with me even if I don't like the answers then bullshit me and do whatever they planned to do anyway. Again, I can understand people not liking what appears to be their plan but I can't bash the man for arguing his beliefs.

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LaughingGravy

Dismissing opinions with which he disagrees as "drama" is an insulting and cowardly rhetorical device. He states his personal preference - "I want every device to be 'always on'" - as if it's an argument in support of his position, which it is not. Believing his preference is, or should be, his customer's preference is arrogant, and saying it to customers is rude.

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Scatter

Personally I give him and many like him a full pass. He's supposed to always maintain a professional demeanor while people personally attack him. Sorry, we're human not robots.

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gothliciouz

i feel sick

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Jack1982

The views of their creative director are not reflective of those of the company? Um...isn't that kind of a huge problem considering he's the CREATIVE DIRECTOR of the company?!?! LOL.

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Scatter

Even if it is the view of the entire company he shouldn't have to apologize for arguing his opinion. You can disagree with and argue the disadvantages of always on technology all you want. Why shouldn't he be allowed to argue his opinions as well?

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jbitzer

He should absolutely be allowed to, just not in his official role. It's like military members being allowed to attend political rallies, but not in uniform, when you're doing it as a representative of the company, you need to be tactful.

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Xenite

I really don't see the big deal. The console kiddies seem upset that they will have the same exact setup that PC gamers have been having to deal with for many years now.

I feel no pity for them, cry me a river.

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Engelsstaub

Bullshit. None of the games I've played on PC required an always-on internet connection.

You can condescendingly categorize people who use consoles all day long but the fact is this: the most torrential crying of hurricane-like proportions always comes from some PC gamers right around this area. "Everybody should spend all of their money and time on a PC gaming system! You're holding back my GPU-experience! If it's right for me it's right for you!"

People like you are the true "kiddies" as you describe others en masse. The rest of us don't need to define ourselves by products we use...because we're not children or insecure adult nerds in a state of adolescent arrest.

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jbitzer

yeah it's totally about the reasons you gave and not that we're getting a shit experience in order to please the lowest common denominator.

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Engelsstaub

I very obviously gave that reason when I said: "You're holding back my GPU performance!" The rest was a reply specifically to the OP.

Most people have always chosen consoles and PC gamers are considered "hardcore." Life's not fair. Let's deal with it like big people.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Sadly, it seems that the vast majority of people these days are incapable of reconciling the fact that life isn't fair.

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Engelsstaub

Well, to be fair it took me quite a few years to learn to accept it myself :)

I think dedicated PC-gamers could look at it this way: there's still some games that are made specifically for the latest PC hardware. I think if it's a concern they should try to mostly only buy such titles. Maybe (and I"m hypothesizing here) the game developers/publishers will make more games that take full advantage of current PC hardware when they see that there's some compensation and profit in it for their efforts.

PC-gamers are probably always going to be a minority, but that doesn't mean that they're statistically insignificant. I'm mostly neutral on this: I have a Steam account and an XBox Live one but I honestly don't really play that many games anymore on either platform. My next console may just be a PS4 as I'm pretty tired of XBox Live TBH. ...but I'll always play some games on PC too. My kids don't get to screw around on my computer so it's console for them. I imagine many parents feel the same way. The ones that don't game are naturally going to buy their kids a $300 console before they buy or build them a really good PC. Since a large portion (but certainly not all) of gamers are under 18, that's another reason why PC gaming isn't that mainstream.

I used to play with a friend in Denmark who was a minor. This dude had all three consoles and a PC. He would be chatting with me on XBL while playing a PC game. Great guy. He helped me get every campaign achievement in Gears 1. (Remember how long it took them to put that out on PC?) Dude was selfless. All he did was play games. As an adult he went to work for a computer company and he's rarely on any anymore. That's life. Some people just don't have time, I guess. I'm twice his age and have more free time lol.

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B.A.Frayd

Typical of the tech-nerd arrogance that has infested Seattle over the past 20 years or so. This attitude makes me feel like it would be a good thing if the electrical grid was wiped out, and never came back.

Guess who would be the first to perish?

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hypersonic

In my opinion Adam was just being honest and coming from his own reality but theirs a catch. Unfortunately the public threw petrol on the fire by expressing some silly attitudes [not looking beyond the square] and as a result all hell breaks loose which, lets face it some of us love ! Although I agree with both sides its interesting to see the attitudes between the haves and have nots. I don't think MS will be rolling out internet cable or power lines for those people who were seriously offended by Adams comments. And even if MS did how many could afford it ?

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HKUSPC40

Flat out won't buy an Xbox 720 if it has DRM. Yes, I own a 360 and play the hell out of it. DRM is ridiculous.

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Scatter

While I agree with you this doesn't seem to be a post as much about the always on issues as much as it seems to be about an employee being allowed to post his thoughts without having to apologize for them because some people don't agree with them.

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germanogre

I kind of figured MS would at least learn Something about catering to consumers from the SimCity/Diablo III fiascos.

Then I remembered metro...

Weak.

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Arthur Dent

I really hope this guy is just being a d!ck, I had just got my hopes up about the always-on DRM after MS comments about gamestop

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