Samsung Loses Interest in Windows RT Tablets, What About You?

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wintercoder

My wife has been using her SurfaceRT for a couple of months now... one or two hours a day at home... and has yet to download ANYTHING from the 'store' (paid or free.)

She creates all her own documents (word/excel).. does email and web... and shares her documents with others thanks to the compatibility of OfficeRT with Office2010.

If you were to ask her about legacy apps, she would respond, "I see your lips moving, but all I'm hearing is: BLAH BLAH BLAH."

So, from her perspective (and apparently all android/ipad users), 'legacy app compatibility' is irrelevant.

My son and I, however, are opting for the SurfacePRO because of specific academic/business needs.

So... different products to match the different needs.

I think WindowsRT is a good idea, if for nothing else than to create more competition in the processor market.

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whr4usa

+1

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the.calm.critic

That's all and that's it.

People look at Android phones + tabs and have ZERO mental friction form factors' wise. Same with iOS on iPhone + iPad. The actual RT party pooper are its own bigger sibling which is the Surface Pro. Not rocket science. One look and a bystander goes "Now that's a PROPER x86 Windows tablet right there. So wait... WTF is Windows RT for again???". See?

Apologists may argue that MS needs the ARM tablet strategy as an added leverage to its full scale x86-64 tablet attack. Why and what for? Intel/AMD SoCs will get better over time to match ARM's power efficiencies and then what?

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Peanut Fox

To your last comment. I think that's kinda what happen. SoCs got better. But I'm imagining that Microsoft decided to go with RT shortly or maybe even during the development of Windows 7. The ARM landscape at that time wasn't suitable for what the idea behind RT was.

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whr4usa

+2

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boidsonly

I have no interest in using something that resembles a giant windows phone. Win 8 does not do anything for me and I will not be making the switch. Sorry MS, I'll decide what I want and like; not you.

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comoncents

Could someone please come out with Windows 8 on a convertible including mobile broadband and GPS so that I may ditch all my other gadgets and have a tablet/keyboard combo that I can connect anywhere with and actually do some work on... BYOD shouldn't have to resemble Sanford and Son...

Yes, it's a dumb comment-but it makes the point that why won't OEM's listen to consumers instead of trying to force feed us? Maybe Samsung is starting to listen a little.

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whr4usa

all Windows 8 Logo Certified mobile devices have to have GPS capability amongst other sensors required

all Intel mobile chipsets in recent history have mobile broadband capability but must be 'allowed' in firmware (OEMs usually don't activate it)

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dantfmly

I've lost all interest in anything Microsoft. If they won't listen to the desktop users and how much windows 8 does not work for them, then screw them. If there was a good replacement for Windows and still allow me to use all of my software windows would be off my computer. We can see that everybody is trying to jump off Microsoft ship because of Windows 8. As an example, steam going to Linux. Microsoft is trying to get into apples world, and that is not the place hard core PC users want to be, and Microsoft does not care. Let use have a choice of tiles or not. Bring back the start menu. And open up your new app world like Android. Let me side load apps, and install whatever apps I want. Then we can talk again, and maybe I might buy a windows phone. Because of the concept of integrating my pc, tablet, and phone together is great, but I don't want the world Microsoft is trying to go to. Can't wait to see if android will get into desktop world and give me what I want. Then I will have everything android. Right now I just have to deal with windows 7 on pc and android on tablet and phone.

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whr4usa

you can't call yourself an hardcore pc user and use steam as an example, especially considering it only works on ubuntu which is hardly *true* linux; use Start8, take advantage of the customization of their platform - go ahead and sideload your own apps!! live a little, research a little more and read MUCH more man!

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tekknyne

English translation of the article: Samsung and Google are are clearly in bed with each other and their 1% backers are not looking to play nice with MS. Not a hard concept to grasp.

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arch20002013

I am confused. I work in retail and have two of the Ativ in stock and ready to be sold. yeah, the price is way to high but they are there on hand. Must have shipped some out then decided it wasnt worth doing it any more.

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Peanut Fox

The Ativ is x86 based and runs Windows 8. Samsung is launching 2, the 700 which has an i5 and the smaller 500 which is Atom based.

Looking at the 2 of them and what they offer, I'm beginning to wonder if Microsoft really needs an ARM based tablet. The idea behind it is smart less powerful, but with lots of battery life, But Intel and AMD are quickly developing parts that fit that niche. In tablet form Windows 8 works well, and the performance and pricing scales from as low as $400. Unless WindowsRT tablets can be priced much lower at $200 and $300 bucks they're far too close in price, and lacking in what a full fledged "pro" tablet offers.

Also shame on you for not knowing your wares ;)

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whr4usa

he must work in Best Buy! (:
haha

I tend to view Windows RT like Windows Phone 7; huge innovations but no sustainable longterm market in current form

Windows Phone 7 yielded WP8, which is making huge gains fast and I suspect Windows RT's successor will do the same - then in the Windows 10 timeframe, we'll most likely see a merger of all Msft++ARM codebases; i.e. Windows RT ++ Windows Phone ++ XBox360 will be one in the same

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LGA1156

I'm very happy with my 200 buck nexus 7 does everything great, make the surface 149 and we can talk, the same thing that happened with HP touchpad will happen to windows Rt overpriced and no room to compete with android and Ios, when the firesale starts Ill be first in line and all the surface rt will sell like hot cakes.... lol

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I doubt you'll see that happen but it's nice to dream.

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Baer

I really like my Surface RT, It does what I want in that I can use it for mail, for PowerPoint presentations, for other Office apps and for web stuff. It is fairly priced and does a lot compared to an iPad it lets me do real work. However...I will soon trade up to a real full featured Windows 8 tablet, either the Surface Pro or the amazing new Lenovo that I saw at CES.

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legionera

"Overpriced and hamstrung by an operating system that can't run legacy applications, Windows RT tablets are of limited appeal, and at least one major vendor wants no part of it."

Android can't run legacy too, so lets invest everything in it. (Sarcasm implied)

Common issues with RT:
+Small market - like I need 10k copies of the same program to do one simple thing
+Does not support legacy - nor the Android and the ipad, maybe because RT is a tablet, not a PC and is not pretending to be one (this is very unprofessional of any journalist to say that)

RTs have very big potential. With some marketing, anything is possible. As for android and the ipad, their days are counted (literally).

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Paper Jam

"+Does not support legacy - nor the Android and the ipad, maybe because RT is a tablet, not a PC and is not pretending to be one (this is very unprofessional of any journalist to say that)"

But RT is pretending... to be Windows 8. Android has no desktop client with legacy programs from previous iterations, while Windows is about to launch full fledged tablets capable of running programs made for said previous iterations (i.e. Windows 7 and XP) and sell them side by side with RT tablets. And Apple has been very careful to make sure that iOS and OSX are distinct and separate entities. Windows RT and 8 both feature the Metro UI, meaning customers may think they are getting Windows 8, capable of running the software already purchased for their previous PC, when, in fact, they are buying an RT that only runs software from Microsoft's app store. That looks like pretending to me.

"As for android and the ipad, their days are counted (literally)."

Whom has been doing this literal, prophetic counting of the days? Smartphone and tablet sales are up, and Windows Phone 8 and RT aren't contributing to either category. And PC sales are slumping. I'm sorry, but my magic eight ball says RT is going the way of the Touchpad and the Playbook. Why do we need another ARM based OS, especially one that is identical to an x86 based OS, except that it lacks critical features of the x86 OS? We don't. (But who am I to argue with your literal day counter.)

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legionera

"But RT is pretending... to be Windows 8."

I really don't understand what you mean by "pretending" and I seriously suspect that you don't work for MS and you have no idea about their intentions. It is called "Windows RT" not "Windows 8" just like OSX and iOS. Everyone is personally obligated to do its own research before he/she buys something, just as they did for iOS and OSX(although I still have people coming with iPads sad to realize that they can't have the full desktop experience).

"Whom has been doing this literal, prophetic counting of the days? Smartphone and tablet sales are up, and Windows Phone 8 and RT aren't contributing to either category. And PC sales are slumping. I'm sorry, but my magic eight ball says RT is going the way of the Touchpad and the Playbook. Why do we need another ARM based OS, especially one that is identical to an x86 based OS, except that it lacks critical features of the x86 OS? We don't. (But who am I to argue with your literal day counter.)"

You see, here I am not talking about hardware devices, I am talking about operating systems (OS). No one is pushing you to buy an MS tablet. If you can't see the difference, you probably need to find out more about the contrasts between these devices and their purposes before commenting.

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Paper Jam

To start off, by "pretending" I mean that they called it Windows. Now let's elaborate. Apple customers don't refer to their devices as iOS devices. They have iPads or iPhones. When they buy an Apple desktop or laptop they buy a Macbook or iMac. They aren't concerned with the OS, because there are no tablets running OSX and no computers running iOS. Also, the two look nothing alike. I am curious as to what people are "coming with iPads sad to realize that they can't have the full desktop experience". Maybe you work for MS because you seem out of touch with the market. People love their iPads.

On to my second point, which is that customers don't do research. Most buy what they know, either by personal experience or recommendations from people they know. Windows is a brand they know. I'm sure MS has a plan for their unified front across all of their platforms, but in the tablet space they have muddied the waters. The home screen is visually indistinguishable from RT to 8, and when it looks the same most people don't bother to check any further. This will be a problem.

To address your last point, you said Android's days were counted and then said you were talking about operating systems. You do know that Android is an OS that ships with devices from multiple manufacturers, don't you? Without an OS these devices won't work, so you can't separate one from the other. And this applies even more to the iPad, since no other tablets run iOS. So your prediction of the end of Android and the iPad at the hands of Windows RT doesn't make any sense. Apple certainly isn't going to dump their successful OS on their market dominating tablet for RT, and Android manufacturers are not going to stop making Android tablets because they can't sell an RT tablet cheaply enough to compete with the iPad on price, nor make one compelling enough to beat it head to head. Android, if not compelling, is at least competitive on pricing.

Obviously you can't get it, so I will stop here. Time will tell if MS can build a user base around their new UI scheme. But only a fool would believe it will eliminate Android and iOS, and you aren't a fool, are you?

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legionera

I tried to explain it like to a fellow but you are getting offensive. I am giving up! I only hope that the retarded people you claim to be in the place where you live aren't that restricted as you describe them. Oh, well, no one is perfect RITE? :P

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Paper Jam

Calling me retarded is more offensive than anything I said to you. Since you couldn't effectively refute any point I made, and had to resort to name calling, I am going to assume you are a child. And you are "rite", you're not perfect.:)

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beta212

Having a windows in the name implies that it's a fully compatible os, which it's not, see
//Dell warned Microsoft that Windows RT would confuse consumers//*

http://www.examiner.com/article/dell-warned-microsoft-that-windows-rt-would-confuse-consumers

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Wrong Answer

Actually, Windows is about to launch full fledged tablets capable of running programs made for Windows 7, but NOT for XP!

Windows 8 runs every Windows 7 program I have tested on it but refuses to run about 20% of applications made for XP

Microsoft is locking down their spyware platform and taking away the end users right to use their own system they way "THEY" see fit

You "CANNOT" easily stop malware coming in to a Windows 7 or 8 machine that can easily be stopped on an XP machine

You cannot buy a new "Personal" computer anymore

You may only license it's limited, locked down usage based on what Microsoft and the Federal Gov't dictates, as they monitor everything you do, when you do it, how long you did it, and on what hardware it was done at that specific I.P. address

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Neufeldt2002

I am only going to say that there is a couple of ways that you can still purchase a personal computer. You can buy systems with Linux installed, you can wipe a windows machine and install Linux, you can build your own computer with Linux. Now I do realize that some might say that Linux isn't mainstream enough, or that they have their own spyware etc, but you can roll your own Linux From Scratch or use a distro that you know is safe. As well if Valve is successful with their Steam Box, it may usher in a more mainstream Linux distro that is easy to use and fulfills most home users needs. I say may because it has not even come out yet and who knows what the future holds. I am not worrying about businesses here as there already is distros geared for businesses.

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legionera

You still here? I thought you finally found out that everyone finds your posts ridiculous and nobody cares about your opinion. You aren't very smart aren't you? Instead of fleeing into another... errr... planet maybe... with your closest and live happily, you are here, insulting a company and trying to sell your software for Windows. There's some irony and drama in this. Save yourself and your opinion, nobody cares about you!

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Paper Jam

Kinda harsh, man. And should you be the one questioning anyone's intelligence with your grammar?

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legionera

Linking grammar with intelligence, you are joking right?

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Paper Jam

Nope. Not joking. You write and debate like a nine year old. FYI, Bullwinkle's post are are more coherent than yours. Maybe nobody cares what you have to say. :) Rite?

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kevaskous

You are committable, lol.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Why?
Because you say so?

You are insane!

Try getting some facts before posting your spam

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kevaskous

I got plenty, but no need to debate with someone who's already made up their minds and isn't gonna listen to anything reasonable and isn't rational to begin with. Move to your own island, all by yourself, you'll be better off, as will the rest of us lol.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Most Criminals agree that you won that debate

You say that you have plenty of facts that you simply refuse to share with us

Sounds Legit

You've made up my mind

Please don't go back and read the hundreds of posts I've made over the past several years detailing how anyone can find the spyware in Windows

Let's all just agree that you won the debate by saying it's not so without showing any evidence

Nothing suspicious here, move along folks

By the way, 7 out of 10 criminals conspiring to defraud the public agree with you

You must be so proud

only the smart ones plead the 5th

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kevaskous

-Edited-

Rephrasing that, IDC about your facts(In your head), IDC about this topic(When you're involved). I'm just tired of reading your needless trash posts of a protagonist. Honestly they would be wise to ban your posting ability, more people would be attracted to be a part of the community without your senseless bantering about everything and constant antagonizing of those around you.

You've got problems, -everyone- here knows that, you know you're like the laughing stock, right? That no one is laughing with you, but at you? Do the world a favor and slip into something more comfortable, like, I dunno, -A COMA-

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Facts in my head?

I have $1000 cash for the first person to prove Windows 7 and 8 are not Government Sponsored Spyware Platforms

Now lets see "Your" facts!

Untill then, please stop your trash posts, you wacky protagonist

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whr4usa

for the facts you've requested please refer to every reply I've made to any of your posts ever particularly this past year and send the cash to my paypel ASAP

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Bullwinkle J Moose

I have referred to every reply you have made in the past year and see absolutely no evidence that Windows 7 & 8 are not spyware platforms

Sorry, but YOU LOSE!

Please try again

P.S.
There will be no further responses to this topic until I see "EVIDENCE"

So go ahead and post all the nonsense you want!

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whr4usa

let's begin with the highest-level basic assessment of software security possible

true or false;
has the storage footprint of windows client decreased with every version since 5.2.2600 ?

true or false;
WFAS is the only firewall available to consumers which can apply rules directly to the network stack and maintains most functionality even if disabled or/and the associated service ceases to function..?

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kevaskous

Make responses to my posts using my own words to mock me without knowing their definition, what a tool. Please for the good of this site's community, get hit by a truck.

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Iowa_State_Cyclone

Still love my surface!!! But no, never really cared about a samsung tablet... the market is not large enough at the moment for a lot of different companies to be making them. Personally, i think only Lenovo and Microsoft should worry about making Win RT tablets as the biggest use case for a windows tablet is in businesses.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Kinda hard to Lose something you never had

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