Samsung Chief: Apple's Fighting Us Over Rectangles

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Jerjef

Hey I just thought of an epicly overlooked patent lawsuit that has gone on for decades now.

Anyone remember the game Maze War? Came out round 1974. Deemed the worlds first ever First-Person Shooter. Can they sue every other FPS that has come out since then? Wow that would be a big payday for a long defunct company.

Hell the makers of Dungeons and Dragons could sue every RPG ever made.

This list could go on forever.

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ShyLinuxGuy

It's cliche, but patent (and copyright) laws are overbearing. Apple knows this and they're really taking advantage of it. Our patent system creates monopolies, higher prices, less competition and is a threat to free enterprise. I didn't say patents are bad, but when there's the ability to patent frivolous ideas--then it's bad. Too bad the court isn't tossing the (frivolous) case...maybe there should be a law that would ban a plaintiff from filing any case with the court system indefinitely if it is known to be filing too many frivolous cases, so it doesn't clog up the court system and waste people's time and money.

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ReySys

Is a shame that a company so strong behave as a child. I prefer companies with guts to innovate no matter what. Is lost in his dreams. Shame on them. But with time people will prevail. We don't forget such manners. Buying components and courts is not innovation. Innovation resist competency in a fare manner but they are worried for his stockholders only and forever. Remember people when you buy not only get a hardware but a way of life. If you don't have choices then you don't have freedom. When you cannot see other paths then you are a fanatic!

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stewed

Laws are written by lawyers for lawyers.

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livebriand

With Crapple being this much of a jackass, I really hope they burn and die in hell. Of course, the iSheep will probably side with Apple and continue buying their devices anyway. I'm sick of this and will not be buying anything from Apple nor recommending them to others now. Can we PLEASE get a reform to the patent system now? PLEASE? (and the copyright one too)

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warlok180

I agree with you about the broken patent system. It needs to be fixed. At the same time, I can't blame Apple for suing Samsung. This case goes beyond just the rectangular shape. It goes back to the OS features that Apple says Android copied.

There have been touch interfaces before, but none worked like iOS and you can basically see no difference now between iOS and Android. I think that's another thing they have a problem with.

I've said before that all these companies need to get along and work to make a great experience for all of us consumers. They're all suing each other and the only ones benefiting here are the lawyers.

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don2041

Apple is run buy squareheads thats why they are fixated on corners

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USraging

i think the new head of the company is sponge bob square pants.

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abowlofsoda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHU5n-XuhJY

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Suijen

I was going to purchase an ipad, but then I saw a similar rectangular electronic device. It said Samsung, but because the shape so resembled the Ipad, I assumed it was an Apple product. Boy was I wrong. Thanks to this ban, I will no longer confuse a Samsung device with an Ipad, resulting in lost sales to Apple.

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Jerjef

Lol, Yes they can be SOOO misleading for consumers. Those shifty Samsung people, trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Even taunting us by putting "Samsung" right on the bezel and still we think it's an iPad. Why Samsung do you exploit our stupidity?!? We trusted you.

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aarcane

Why doesn't samsung introduce some of the statements that apple made that state that samsung didn't copy them? That was all over the news.

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aarcane

Anyone know how to get ahold of these banned devices anyway? I'm sure they're on ebay or some other overseas site that will ship them out.

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warptek2010

Nah, I hate the player (Apple) and not the game. The "game: as you call it is there for legit purposes. Based on what we know, Apple's lawsuit is frivolous at best. Excuse us, but isn't every tablet and smartphone on the market basically a rectangle?
So... questions; 1:)What makes Apple think they could patent basic design elements that go into any product that reflects human evolutionary traits like having opposable thumbs, 5 digits etc.. 2:)Why are you targeting just Samsung? and 3:) How on Earth do you arrive at this 2 Billion in damages figure and can you prove that loss?
Good Luck

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Biceps

Right? Hey, your car is car-shaped, too! Cheese companies should all be suing eachother for copying eachothers' wheel-shape. And beer companies?? Don't even get me started! I can't believe Miller and Anheiser-Busch haven't been suing eachother back-and-forth about the similar shapes of their bottles for the past 50 years.

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bling581

"As far as Packingham sees it, consumers clearly want their smartphones and tablets in the shape of a rectangle, and the fight with Apple is "whether you can deliver a product in the shape of a rectangle."

How do you not make a tablet a rectangle, or anything with a display for that matter? Last time I checked the industry standard aspect ratios were not square, which is the only other logical shape. LCD monitors, TV's, smart phones, tablets, they're all rectangles.

It's insane that this is even being discussed. I have plenty of choice words for Apple.

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Paul_Lilly

Ah, so glad you asked:

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bling581

Lol, nice pic!

I guess you can make any shape you want, but it's not practical or without tons of flaws. How would web video or games look on a shape like that?

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Andacious

Hey Apple, ever heard of the Palm Pilot?

http://hometoys.com/ezine/08.04/russo/060321_PalmPilot_vmed.widec.jpg

gee, that's strange, in 1996 there was a rectangle with buttons at the bottom! Look familiar? That's because you copied someone else's idea and made it your own.

I hope Apple burns for this.

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kuebel33

Seriously. I had at least 2 palm phone devices ages before the iPhone was around. One was actually a Samsung phone. kind of like this but more touch screen http://pcworld.about.net/news/May032001id49183.htm Rectangular, touch screens, etc... so....

Also, what about the fact that the iPhone was basically modeled around Sony phones....

Man, Apple is like a giant bully. How can you even sue for this, and even then wouldn't you need to sue every company that makes phones?

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PiEGuY

I’m still waiting for the day where someone points this out:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/PADD

While they may not actually be functional, the various Star Trek series have had these for years. You can’t tell me the design isn’t copied from those. Even functions, such a touch sensitivity and even facetime really, are used in the series. I’m not sure at what point inspiration becomes blatant stealing.

If anyone should sue, it’s whoever owns the rights to the shows. Or not, I have no clue how the legal system works.

Like it’s been said before, it’s not so much the products I have issues with, it’s how they run as a company.

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mh15216

When you hear people spew about "hatred of Apple" this is why. I think what everyone's missing is what this big pot of crap all boils down to.

In other words, the people hurt worst from this are we as consumers, relying on companies to provide better products.

In my own opinion, this is Apple as a company admitting they don't have any original ideas left and trying to sue people off of yesterday's ideas. For a company that claims to be so progressive I see a company with a pile of money it's hovering over like a sick deranged freak. It's mine, it's MY PRECIOUS!!!

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bling581

What I'd like to know is why the idiots at the patent office are granting them all these patents on ridiculous things or ideas that are already out there. They're basically buying patents on existing tech and then suing the crap out of everyone claiming that it's their innovation and they're being violated. It's sick.

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warlok180

They're getting the patents because they are leading the innovation that everybody else is apparently copying. You create a concept and file a stupid patent and that's it. It goes back to the broken patent system in the first place.

This lawsuit is beyond just the rectangular shape that this so-called Samsung exec is claiming. I believe they're also suing for the OS features as well.

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Jerjef

An OS developed by Google, not Samsung. All Android releases are essentially the same with some minoy tweaks added to them.

Looks like Apple will have to sue Google as well.

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RaptorJohnson

So when are the makers of Warhammer and 40k going to sue Blizzard for Warcraft and Starcraft?

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USraging

At one point i thought about getting a MAC so i could learn the OS and support end users as part of repair, but after all the suing going on i have changed my mind, i will not be supporting apple based systems.

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warptek2010

Thats too bad I suppose for the "Apple computer morons" that their products supposedly target. hehe

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thesaltydalty

"Apple's claim against Samsung is that its Galaxy products copy the look and feel of Apple's iPad and iPhone devices, and for that, the Cupertino company wants $2 billion in damages."

Guide to getting rich:

1. Partner up with a good lawyer.
2. Patent a bunch of simple designs for products.
3. Sue everyone who uses those shapes.

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Valor958

Since I'm not in the UK, I'll go ahead and say it... dismantle the whole Patent office organization and start over. Burn it down if need be, literally. What ever happened to honest capitalism? I remember even growing up, competitions between friends at school, and things I heard on the news were so much different.
If you had a competitor making a similar product, you'd grin and say, "Bring it!". Now you whine, cower, and cry over someone making something similar in shape or function to yours... SUE them, and try to either drive them out of business or make their product illegal.
Apple needs to go through a fire sale... good ideas, the chance at great innovation yet again, but mired in the bitchy mentality that the legal and patent systems have become.
Even though this is MaxPC, and not MaxTech (et al.), this is relevant. What is AMD or nVidia decided to sue the other for the production of PCI-E form factor GPUs. They both serve a similar function and those two dominate the dedicated graphics market. AMD/nVidia are obviously infringing on the IP rights of the other by researching and advancing the field of advanced graphics and microprocessors research. How can we possibly expect a 'fair' show for the other when they actually have to COMPETE... shut down their competitor so they can work unhindered and have complete control.
This has become Apple, and every other patent trolls mantra. Why compete when I can litigate.

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tekknyne

I don't think our founding fathers understood that when you have a corrupt market that is in bed with government, the only way to gain a 'competitive advantage' is to cut the other guys throat.

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Khoiboi

One of our founding fathers was good ol' Tommy Jeff - you can read up on what he did to Tesla and decide for yourself whether Thomas Jefferson was a corrupt individual - more so in my opinion than Apple.

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skinwalker00

Really? If you are going to come on and post you opinion telling other people to read up...maybe you should read up yourself.

Thomas Edison is who you mean.

I do agree that Tesla is an unsung hero though.

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topcat2021

Thomas Jefferson Died on July 4th 1826 and Nikola Tesla wasn't born until July 10th 1856 almost 30 years difference. How could Thomas Jefferson have any real impact on Nikola Tesla?

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RaptorJohnson

They understood better than you might think.

The revolutionary war was more about not paying Taxes than Liberty.

John Hancock was an infamous smuggler before he was a statesman.

I love my country, but I don't buy into all the false jingoistic versions of history we are taught.

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tekknyne

So they designed the constitution and declaration of independence to be exploited this way?! Yikes.

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xmichaelx

@tekknyne:
Those who designed those documents were the elite: Rich, educated landowners and business owners. The documents they created favored people like themselves.

The Constitution's been updated occasionally to reflect modern populism, but never at the expense of those belonging to the class who wrote -- and continue to write -- it. Even the abolishment of slavery was a gift to the Northern elite at the expense of the Southern elite, who were seen as having an unfair economic advantage over Northerners.

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saleenman

I really hope that Apple doesn't win. They need to be taught that they can't always get their way.

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wolfing

except that they'll appeal and appeal the appeal until one judge (either by stupidty or by being bought) goes in their favor or rules the banning of selling the device (it only takes one judge banning it for Samsung to lose many millions until they appeal and the ban is dropped, it takes months)

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tekknyne

Personally, I don't like the idea of my tax dollars going to some jackoff judge arguing about shapes.

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