Rumor: Microsoft Killing Windows 8 Full Retail Editions

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indigomx9

I wouldn't mind if Microsoft no longer sells a retail version of Windows. As long as I'm able to purchase the full version of OEM online or a tech store then I'm cool with that.

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Johanes

ARRRrrrgh! IYKWIM

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ama789

my roomate's aunt makes $83/hr on the laptop. She has been without work for 8 months but last month her pay was $8682 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site...NuttyRich.com

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Penterax

As long as I can build a new computer with a complete, fresh install I don't care, but if they screw with that, PC enthusiast builders are going to be forced into Linux.

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John Pombrio

Wait, what? Why? What the hell is going on? Upgrade only? Oh wait, this is the new "RENT A PROGRAM" that MS has up its sleeve. Y'know, the one where you can upgrade yearly for the "new" features like Norton Utilities or All My Movies or TuneUp Utilities. Nice scam but only IF you can convince folks to keep upgrading every year. Didn't work on any of the above for me tho.
Meantime I have questions, lots of them. What do I have to have previously installed to get the Media Edition? Win7 Pro? Win7 Ultimate? How about business uses? Win7 Pro? So I need two activations to install Win8 so I can get the right version? Do I have to install Win7 first, then Win8 or can I just use the activation number? What about my Technet license?

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sundropdrinker3

What a bunch of whiny babies you all are. "Oh, they are getting rid of the retail version so I can't upgrade my computer cause the OEM version won't migrate." Do you upgrade your mobo every 2 weeks? No. Every month? No. Every 6 months? No. Every year? Doubt it. There is not much need to upgrade a mobo lately, and that need is dwindling even more.

Even if you upgrade to a new mobo once a year, you spend $40-$50 on a new OEM version and you STILL come up cheaper than you would buying the retail. Get over yourselves, and actually think for once. My 4 year old is not as whiny as the majority of you.

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TechLarry

I doubt I'll miss any version of it :)

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Jaeger_CDN

Well considering the fact that I don't see a need to migrate to win8 I don't see it as much of a problem for me. M$ must be wanting to get rid of a layer of customer support for full retail versions if they go this route.

However I've done full installs of Win7 from a family 3 pack upgrade version without preinstalling vista. The first few times I did the vista install first and after my last full rebuild of my computer I intalled Win7 on a fresh SSD without any hassles and the online activation worked.

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supakeepa

Wow, PC geeks can be such a scared bunch. This really is no big deal people. If you want to buy the full version, you can find it on NewEgg for cheap as an OEM. If you want the upgrade, you can get it from Best Buy. Why all the freakage? I can't remember the last time I've bought a Windows OS for full retail price. If you have been buying Windows at retail, you're at the wrong site.

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Engelsstaub

YES. If your comment was spoken aloud I'd expect thunderous applause to immediately follow it.

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Ghost XFX

Everyday, I'm creeping closer to Linux. Thanks MS for making my decision that much easier.

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iheartpcs

Wait, I'm going to have to call MS to get authorization to upgrade my PC?

lol...where's that Linux link?

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Nastyman

There are a lot of people in this forum that feel as I do, if I can't continue to use a Win 7 like interface Microsoft can shove win 8 where the sun don't shine.

I searched for a fix and found one that works just fine and I may even buy Win 8 if they leave the code in for this program to run:

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

Nasty

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BryceBooth

May I suggest just sticking with Windows 7? Upgrading is not a requirement, if you don't like the product, use your power as a consumer to not buy it.

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maxeeemum

Who cares! Windows 8 is DOA! It will be Microsoft's biggest failure to date.

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don2041

MS can give me $50 to upgrade to win 8 and I still wont do it

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veryoldgamer

At $180 to $280 the retail editions of Win 7 are desperately overpriced. If the OEM edition of future Microsoft OS is priced less than $50.00 (even better if they keep their introductory Win 8 $40.00 price) then axing the more flexible retail edition would be an excellent move.

Personally, I would add windows to my HTPCs currently running linux distros. Would probably rebuild them with added graphics capabilities to make them into gaming machines as well. 'course that might have a macro effect on Xbox come to think about it...

Anyway, $280 is just ridiculous for Windows Ultimate when I can configure a linux box to do everything with media that Ultimate can do. $280 vs $0. No contest. $40 or $50 + gaming capability vs $0 with Linux but no easy gaming (yes, I know, but Wine doesn't cut it a lot of the time) is very compelling for me.

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NH3MAN

I did not like Win 8 at first and agreed with most of these statements, however after running it for quite a while, I love it and will not be going back to my beloved Win 7. I think most people never gave it a proper chance... It could be that I have a Win Phone and I also installed it on a Acer Iconia Tab which broke me in on it. It absolutely rocks on my Tab! & Love the Metro on my Tab...But it also rocks on my desktop after I forced my self to get use to it and I consider myself a power user. I use the Metro and the Desktop and once I got rid of my old habits I use it to multitask and it actually can be quicker plus has a better multi-monitor setup so I don't need a third party app. All the naysayers should get over themselves and give it another go. I also will be in line to get the MS Surface Pro and will appreciate using it in conjunction with my Win Phone and Xbox. The sky's the limit for MS and the whiners should probably just get an overpriced Mac, a limited, overpriced Ipad and of course the stuck in the mud Iphone so they can retain their old ways. IMHO, of course ;-)

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BryceBooth

Heck yeah! Good to read a comment from someone that is not completely reluctant to change. I have also clenched my teeth while installing it, and after the brief learning curve, have been pretty satisfied with it. Rather sheepishly, I must admit that I own an iPhone, but I like the direction that Microsoft has taken with it's unified UI across their products, now only if my carrier offered the Lumia 900.

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legacy2013

I completely agree with you. I've been disappointed reading all these comments on MaxPC with people saying Windows 8 is DOA or is a failure from trying it for a few days or not trying it at all. I have been running Windows 8 as my primary OS on my laptop for months now and love it. There was a learning curve but once I got past that it has been great. Normal bugs for pre-release product but other than that it runs better than Windows 7. Give it a solid try guys!

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JDHatman

Thank You!! Seriously, all of these people that are bashing Windows 8 have probably not even tried it out themselves (I don't mean installing it, I mean actually trying it out past the point you realize there's no Start Menu). There's really not that much difference in it and Windows 7. I've been using it now for months and I like it. Many of my games actually run better on 8 than 7. And real drivers haven't even come out yet for my graphics card.

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AzMonguse

That's good to here it runs games well - My only issue in trying to try it out is the dang thing tells me it's missing drivers - but does not say what drivers and I still have not been able to load it - may by the drivers for my Drives as I run all SATA drive's save one.

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Jacob Stanbery

Exactly! The few people I know that have actually given it a genuine chance have loved it.

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don2041

this is how i felt about vista i had more problems with xp than i ever had with vista after i turned off the user account control

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aarcane

They should make mac osx an eligible upgrade.

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BryceBooth

That would be a terrible idea. One would have to learn an entirely different OS, not to mention lack of hardware support, good games, and people would whine how their beloved programs are no longer compatible. Sure you could dual-boot, but why?

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meatpilljunkie

The Metro UI by itself is not completely terrible, but neutering the desktop UI makes this Sybil OS nearly unworkable. Not only am I skipping the kludgy mess that is Windows 8, I will "downgrade" any new PC I get to Windows 7. So if MS wants to do upgrade only for Win8, go right on ahead.

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renodude18

To be honest I'm amazed they are still making them as Apple has moved their Operating system distribution to over the internet rather than a boxed version.

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BryceBooth

I for one am thankful that they continue to make the install media, as many people in rural Canada are still stuck with dial-up. A friend of mine downloaded iTunes last week over his dial-up connection and after roughly 30 hours he eventually gave up and came over to finish the download. We all yearn for faster performance, better cellular coverage, et al, but relocating just isn't a viable option. Microsoft is significantly more accommodating in these respects, for those people.

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MJO

Awful decision....
I myself bought the W7 Ultimate Retail and I have moved my license from one machine to another. No problem.
It is a hassle with the OEM version.
And how do you install Windows 8 on a totally empty machine without any other OS? Upgrades are never without issues.

Windows 8 is FAIL.
Metro is awful, the GUI is awful and I could go on and on.

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MarioJP

Upgrade editions are bootable. I read somewhere there is a workaround about the authentication where it thinks that the os is already installed. I haven't really messed around with it but it is possible.

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Jacob Stanbery

Remember: it was announced that although you could do a full install with a Windows 7 upgrade like that and "trick" it to think it's full, Windows 8 won't let you install the full thing at all.

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whr4usa

actually there's a much simpler but inefficient method which is actually pseudofficially endorsed by Msft for systems requiring wiping of the boot disk because of advanced persistent threats (i.e. worm-like morphological malware, rootkits et al.) or because of regulations in secured environments

- after completely cleaning the disk in question properly initialize and partition it
- preformat with latest revision of NTFS
- full\custom install your 'upgrade' (without injecting any drivers)
- complete windows setup and your first boot
- fully shutdown
- boot to your 'upgrade' disc (or flashdrive) AGAIN
- perform an 'Upgrade' installation and inject any necessary drivers
- perform all necessary Microsoft Updates and installation of drivers from Windows Update
- activate with your upgrade license key

effectively it requires installing twice but as quickly as Windows 7 installs especially on an SSD, RAID or velociraptor it actually doesn't require much additional time

there's no reason to believe the same workaround can't work for 8 from what has been released thusfar!

Microsoft Partner, MSDNAA collegiate and self-Proprietor typing (:

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comoncents

I have given Windows 8 its 15 minutes of fame on one of my test systems and I give MS their due... the performance is somewhat better because the overhead is less and it definitely boots faster. However, any time saved was lost several fold, fumbling around trying to do things with the new Metro design. I think it will be fine on a tablet but until then...

I am hoping the retail upgrade version has a WE WERE JUST KIDDING! check box. If you check this box, then your install of Windows 8 looks like the old 7 with the performance improvements and MCE. Otherwise, Linux Mint 13.0 sure looks good with a very familiar feel to Windows 7 users these days. For a Linux no-brainer experience, chose Ubuntu Unity and pay nothing at all...

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John Pombrio

Just do what I did. Remove ALL the Metro apps except for the Desktop one. Hit enter and go about your business. I never used the Start button so that is no loss and there are easy ways to make a reboot and shutdown icons. What Metro?

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BryceBooth

I agree that there is a slight learning curve, however, simply giving up after 15 minutes is simply not enough to pass judgment. If we as society applied this 15 minute Window to everything, we wouldn't be where we are today, after all it probably took longer than that to create fire, or the wheel for the first time. That said, if Linux is your poison, enjoy.

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PCLinuxguy

It seems it'll either be Windows 7 for the next 14 years like XP was, or Linux when it comes to Windows 8 being on the shelves on brand new computers. People will either downgrade to W7 or find a way to wipe it and install Linux or go to System76 or Zareason to get something else.

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CPPCrispy

So does that mean that Microsoft is changing their licensing agreement so that people that build a computer at home, for personal use, will be able to use the system builder version?

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whr4usa

yes, that's the new "system builder" license revealed in the windows blog is (mentioned above but inaccurately labeled)

it used to be there were "Royalty OEMs" (the 50 largest computer assembling business units, brands globally) which Certified their systems via the Windows Logo program and then bought licenses in bulk for whole models\families\series . . . then therewere "Retail OEM" licenses (like from NewEgg) which were pseudofficially refered to as "system builder" licenses which were intended for new computers (meaning unlicensed motherboards) but because they 'inherited' the [Royalty] OEM license terms, technically had to be distributed or sold after being built, though Microsoft was very lenient on this as there was no technically sound way to properly enforce this

...now OEM licenses are ONLY for OEMs (there will be no "Retail OEM" FPP [Fully Packaged Product] licenses) instead there will be a new "System Builder" license package for ANY unlicensed motherboard which doesn't require selling or distributing like OEM licenses purchased via Corporate Retail contracts or via MPN [Msft Partner Network]

so basically there will be
- dirt cheap upgrades for the masses
- volume licensing of upgrade licenses via SA [Software Assurance]
- bulk licensing of new computers from OEMs
- full-price (...but still cheaper than currently!) "system builder" licenses free of OEM licensing but not as heavily discounted

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ryan003

my best friend's mom makes $61/hour on the computer. She has been fired from work for 6 months but last month her pay was $21008 just working on the computer for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more NuttyRich.com

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livebriand

Is she using Windows 8 to participate in the scam?

Also, your math is WWWAAAAYYYYY off... Just saying...

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sundropdrinker3

I always ignored the scam until you replied. You weren't kidding about the math being WAY off. At $61/hr, it would take 344.4 hours to make $21,008. That's 86 hours a week. I guess 12 hours a day, 7 days a week is "just a few hours a day" to the scammers.

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livebriand

Is she using Windows 8 to participate in the scam?

Also, your math is WWWAAAAYYYYY off... Just saying...

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AETAaAS

I see nothing wrong with this move. Most people get a new Windows with a new machine anyway. If they want to use the same machine, they can upgrade.

The people who are left out in the cold are pre-Windows XP; and they probably aren't interested in the latest OS. :p

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CaptainFabulous

What about those that build new machines from scratch and don't want the limited OEM version? I guess we're SOL then? Not a smart move. It's only going to push people into pirated versions.

In 2012 why are we still having this stupid issues with companies taking away our options instead of giving us more?

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BryceBooth

There is nothing limited in the OEM version, it's exactly the same product without all the fancy packaging, or printed documentation. However, OEM copies are significantly cheaper.

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winmaster

What about Mac users that want to run Bootcamp?

Also, under the OEM license, technically you cant put it on your own computer; it has to be a machine that you plan to sell.

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BryceBooth

I've been building with the OEM licenses for a long time, usually you have to also buy a piece of hardware along with it such as a SATA cable or whatever. Once installed, it is for the most part tied to your motherboard. It costs less, has all the inherent features of a retail edition, and you do not have to sell your machine. It's okay if you're a Mac user, they're PC's too :p

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UrbanSmooth

Windows 8 will fail because it is a mere shadow of the success that was Windows 7. No start menu, stupid metro design, idiotic ribbon interfaces, and the lack of Aero (and seemingly no style whatsoever) are just a few of the reasons why Windows 8 is a waste of money, and why THIS Windows user will be sticking with Windows 7 until something better than Windows 7 comes out.

Windows 8 is NOT that 'something better.'

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BryceBooth

And the next Windows, 9 presumably, will most likely just be the evolution of 8, perhaps with triangles. Before you know it, you are that person still clinging to XP claiming it's superiority, while the hardware an software world has moved on. I like 7 too.

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