Rumor: Leaked Chart Details Desktop Haswell CPU’s Slated For Q2 2013 Release

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Liseg

Better TDP, slight clock boosts, whatever.

I'm more interested in the Lynx Point chipset that will be coming with it. The real advancements come in convenience, and I want details about how supporting usb 3.0 natively factors, and/or what other I/O options will become native. The less third party chips on my motherboard causing potential conflicts, the better. If haswell/broadwell board architecture still supports an archaic split USB 2/3 schema, it looks like I'll be waiting another year to upgrade.

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whr4usa

amen brother, somebody else gets hardware too!

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btdog

So the 4770 will replace the 3770, etc. So, here's my biggest fear:
The 3770k was ~$330 on release (it's still around that price tag) and the 3570k is ~$230. Since AMD has given up on the high-end market, Intel is going to have a little more "room" in its pricing structure. My guess? The 4770k will be $430-450; the 4670 will be $350; the 4570 will be $300.

For the longest time, building a computer was gradually getting cheaper with the introduction of the next generation, but if I'm right that trend is over. Dang.

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whr4usa

this trend has actually already been happening starting with sandy bridge however continued competition from ARM SPARC PPC and Opterons on the server/enterprise market has actually been causing some downward pressure on 'server-class' processors
...the results? just buy an e3-1245v2 instead of an 3770 and save $20-$50 depending on the timeframe, retailer and actually get a better processor in the process! pun intended haha just have to be smarter than Intel's technical marketing department
Ark is an excellent resource to that end!

also I don't see the point on building for a TOCK unless you buy the cheapest processor/chipset/mainboard combination initially available then jump to the best processor/chipset/mainboard available after the 'tick' has been available for roughly a year
...any thoughts on this..?

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Eagle70ss

Too bad Intel broke backward compatibility with the new LGA 1150 socket for Haswell. At least we got somewhat of a break with Ivy bridge still fitting LGA 1155. AMD must crank it up or Intel will have a monopoly and bring misery down on us. :D

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whr4usa

that's definitely not an example of backwards compatability

tickTOCK - learn what it means; always the same socket for 2 rchitectures in a row but never more than 4 ...the longer you keep the same socket...the less electrically and mechanically optimized your processor/chipset/socket/mainboard combinations can be...part of why AMD has always lagged behind Intel, with the only exception being the original AthlonX2, Opteron, Athlon64 innovations ...the only real progress they ever made

also keep in mind that system builder, enthusiast and OEM or consumer markets are nothing compared to the server/datacenter/SMB markets, where with exception of the latter Intel must compete with openSPARC and IBM PPC

Intel isn't some massive monopoly like most seem to think; lots of suckers for marketing, too! why buy a 3770 when you can get an E3-1245V2
just saying...

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Eagle70ss

Haswell CPU's ARE NOT backwards compatible with the 1155 socket. This is correct so stop saying that it isn't. Whatever Intel adds in is another matter and doesn't change the definition of backwards compatibility. Get it?

P.S. Everyone knows what tick-tock is, but they don't define words for the English language.

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whr4usa

you completely missed the point; "backwards compatibility" is a computer science term and any haswell processor will run the same code a pentium IV did, just as any of the chipsets for the new TOCK will initialize the same devices, peripherals, cards, controllers etc. that any LGA775-era northbridge did...

obviously a processor with only 1150 pins won't fit in an 1155-pinnned socket or vice-versa
I never said otherwise!

...you obviously don't fully understand the significance of tickTOCK and since when did computer people speak English? I kid, I kid!

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Happy

Too late. AMD's back is broken. Intel has already won. The only thing that will keep Intel innovating and keeping prices of its products low is the competition from ARM. If it weren't for Qualcom and others making ARM processors we would be at Intel's mercy.

P.S. Haswell's graphics could be great if it weren't for their crappy drivers as Charlie Demerjian has said.

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illusionslayer

With Intel's first foray in to the phone space being so successful, I don't see how 'Qualcom and others' aren't in the same miserable position AMD's in.

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vrmlbasic

ARM doesn't seem to be competing in any arena with Intel that directly matters (ie:I buy the chips myself) to me. ARM isn't a real option for my desktop, Intel isn't a real option for my phone (perhaps if I were in India it would be).

How is ARM's competition with Intel really helping me?

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whr4usa

their drivers arn't crappy just outsourced installers and OEM having no clue how to configure them properly or purposefully misconfiguring to keep the low-end Gfx upgrade market alive?

regardless there's a day-and-night difference in stability, startup time (once that useless tray manager applet gets disabled fully via sysinternals' autoruns) and to a lesser but still measurable level, performance, if you just less Microsoft Windows Update get drivers for you instead of downloading direct from Intel, OEMs or download websites

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Cy-Kill

Hasn't Intel been able to make a CPU yet that has more than 4 cores?

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illusionslayer

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/96/60/9660da_3877906.jpg

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whitneymr

I'm running 6 on my desktop now. Just got to get it Folding next week.

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VAMPYREANGELUS

they do have six And eight core but 8 core are xeon and costs close to $2000.

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Cy-Kill

What models are the 6 core ones?

My original Core i7 965 EE -- which I am still using, actually everything in my PC is all 4 years old -- when I bought the CPU it cost me almost $1300 Canadian.

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whr4usa

for the record Intel actually has processors with 24 and 32 hardware (hyper-}threads commercially available and has had for sometime (Westmere-EX and another codename I can't recall currently)

Cy-Kill without knowing your chipset/motherboard combination I'm simply link you;
ark.intel.com/compare/52586,47917
those are the best single-socket FCLGA1366 processors ever made but if you're an overclocker then you're stuck with this processor;
newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115079CVF

...you're probably better off waiting for IvyBridge-EP late next year and giving up overclocking though...

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hades_2100

Wondering how that 4770k will compare to the 2600k from a few generations back. Or how well it'll overclock. :)

"depending on how it fairs in the benchmarks"

*fares

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Novus

"4600 may finally lay the kiss of death on the sub $200 discrete graphics market. "

Hah, I'd be surprised if it could even catch up to Trinity integrated...

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vrmlbasic

Yes, I doubt this as well, that it could catch Trinity or that it could kill off the <$200 graphics card market, whatever that market segregator truly means.

My Radeon 6850 was less than 200 bucks and it far outpaces even the crux of the Trinity crop in games. Seeing where Trinity and the HD 4000 are today I don't see them getting further ahead than the 6850 and its best-performing <$200 bros just a few "tomorrows" down the road.

If the jump in performance from the HD 3000 to the HD 4000 by Intel is any measure that holds for future products there is no way a jump of a mere 600 to HD 4600 will yield an integrated GPU that lives up to these claims made by this article. :D

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Arnulf

"Perhaps the most interesting tidbit of information here is the omission of Core i3"

Why ? It's been Intel's practice with most recent CPU families that i5/i7 chips get introduced first, only followed by i3/Pentium/Celeron ones later.

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whr4usa

++2

somebody follows Intel's tickTOCK besides me!! unlike MaxPC apparrently *sighs*

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Happy

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