RIM Is Worth More Dead Than Alive

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thechipper

I don't really think it matters to anyone other than a hardcore BB fan to buy BB anymore. They have lost a huge portion of the marketshare and that is what will hurt them until the day they go out of business. It doesn't matter if you put out a quad core 24 hour load battery with a touchscreen and a hologram projector, people have been left with a bad taste in their mouths from being behind the rest of the market for so long. Long story short they should have spent a lot more on R&D and setting up partnerships that draw more people to their brand.

On top of that I doubt anyone will buy RIM to continue producing their phones. Joining the current market 3 years later does not constitute being up to date. It still puts you 3 years behind everyone else.

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Keith E. Whisman

I sure hope nobody buys them, they are a sinking ship and unless they switch over to winphone7 or Android I just don't think they have a chance in hell of surviving.

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biggiebob12345

I'll bet they get bought out by Google so Google can manufacture their own phones.

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wdixon077

This sums it up....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

 

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p309

When our company went from the Blackberry Tour to the Bold 9650, the Bold still had the Exchange advantage in my opinion. And the keyboard is a really good one.The trackpad cured the trackball fiasco.

The things that are leaving sour in my mouth now, are for instance, the "upgrade" from OS 5 to OS 6. Pretty exciting, until put to use! Like this one- push the BB Menu key to open the full menu, as before, and what do you get? Another menu! With the option to "OPEN TRAY".  In OS 7, the same button push gets you "MAXIMIZE PANEL". OF COURSE that is what I want to do, why in name of God put in the extra button press? Infuriates every user that I know. And the mish mash menus of OS 6 are just plain difficult to use and memorize. What about OS 7?  Here comes the fixes for all that was wrong in 6, right?  No flippin' way, just more of the same convoluted mess.

  We ordered 5 of the new Blackberry 9930 models, thinking that this was going to be an awesome phone, touchscreen, etc. Sadly, it is not. Glitches such as dialing the last dialed number on it's own continually, menu settings that won't stay, and more oddball bugs have plagued all of the 9930 devices that we purchased. There are only 2 left in service; the other 3 were not wanted by anyone, they prefer their 9650 Bold OS 5.Three brand new 9930 touch screen Bold on the shelf that I'm not going to deploy. I'll just have unhappy users if I issue a 9930 to them.

Before the Bold 9650 went out of production, Verizon offered the buyer a choice of OS5 or 6. The remaining stock of OS 5 sold out first.I bought as many as I could for future deployments. I may not need them-our company may go to the iPhone for corporate use.

 The Blackberry devices are not anything to brag about anymore, that's for sure.

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fuzz_64

How could they be out??  Even though profit was down 47% last quarter, it was still *419* MILLION dollars and they had over 4 billion dollars of revenue.

With a new product lineup on the way, a new OS, access to Android apps and more, they will be rebounding very shortly!

I have a number of friends who work at RIM and QNX... there is some fantastic stuff coming.

Buy their stock while it's low... it'll be going back up very soon.

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jghellion

Kixo, What exactly is it that you can do on these Droids that can't be done on a Blackberry? I'm just curious because I still have a Storm 2 myself and even though it isn't as good as it should have been at release it's still a pretty good phone over all. But that being said I love Blackberries for what they excel at and thats calendering and messaging.

I've played with my friemds Droid's and Iphone's and I'm generally left with the same impression everytime. If I over simplify it, Android's OS feels unfinished and the iphone is a slick pretty phone.

But I'm probably in the minority as far as what people want in a smart phone since I don't really need/want all the so called apps. (I'll admit that when I hear "apps" for the iphone/droid I pretty much think of farting apps and simple games.) I don't watch movies on my phone or play video games on it.

I think the general public is so easily swayed by marketing most of the time (Something that RIM is very weak at.) that they don't really know or understand what it is they want or need. They just think they need it because that's what the commercials tell them. I ask my non technical friends what a dual core chip is or how they can benfit from having one in a phone and most don't know why but they want it.

I think RIM still has a chance. They may not be doing as well in the consumer market as they once were but they are still very much appreicated in the business (particularly large business) and federal workplaces which is where they got to be known in the first place way before the consumer market ever heard of them.

I don't know if they'll lead the consumer market again but assuming that going forward they release good phones on a timely release schedule and revamp the way they market products, they should bounce back.

 

(Sorry for the long post.)

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kixofmyg0t

Well.....anything a Blackberry can do most(meaning released in the last 3 years) Android phones can do, just MUCH faster.

Their is just more for Android, apps, games, dev support, etc. I could go on but if I listed everything this would be a two page comment.

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big_montana

Sorry, but RIM never was a leader in the consumer market, they only excelled in the enterprise market when Palm faltered. Also, RIM's US marketshare is down to 9% and dropping. I was a blackberry user, and now have a an HTV Evo 4G, which gives me everything my Blackberry did, but faster and cheaper (do not have to pay for the BES plan to get corporate email with my 'droid). My Evo has an exchange client installed, so it displays mail better than my blackberry ever did, manages my calander better, sync my calendar better, and I do not end up with dupicate contacts ot appointments disappearing from my calendar like what always happend on my blackberry. My Evo just works.

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QUINTIX256

RIM had a problem when they announced their "first touchscreen blackberry..."
There are only two other major pocket computing platforms that existed before 2003. They both had touchscreens. Palm is dead. Windows Embedded/Mobile has been somewhat revived after a radical overhaul, though it is still fundamentally Windows.

 

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Jon R

I would not count RIM out yet, wait for the Q3 earnings report, the OS7 devices have been selling well all over the planet.  And they have spent 2 billion in the past 2 years on R&D for the new QNX/BBX phones coming out next year.  Yes it has been a rough year, and the outage could not have happened at a worse time.  But Wall Street is not the world, and Apple did not fold up when "anntenna-gate" gave them bad press.  And nor should RIM give in yet either just because investors that think they know more than the customers drive the stock price down.  In fact it is very likely that smart investor are driving the price down because they know it will go up when the Q3 report is released and want to get cheap stock now to sell later :-/

 

Jon

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big_montana

Apple fans are different than Blackberry fans. Blackberry fans are not as fanatical about their deivces as Apple fans are. At my firm, Blackberry use has dropped from just over 280 to less than 90 today. We have more Android and iPhones now and more making the switch every day, as iPhones and Android phones just work (with teh exception of anything Motorola). And lets not forget, RIM US marketshare is now at 9% and dropping every day.

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kixofmyg0t

Blackberry is down for the count plain and simple. The hardware is 2 years behind, the software is 4 years behind and most importantly people just don't want Blackberry anymore.

I moved on from a Storm2 to a Droid X(and now Bionic) and I couldn't believe all the things I was missing before. I would NEVER buy another Blackberry....EVER.

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Jon R

Kixo, you should really educate yourself on what RIM has been doing this fall, yes the Storm phones were a bust, but that was 3-4 years ago, Try looking at the 9900/9810/9850/9350 phones, all released by 250 carriers around the world, in the last 2 months.  And selling very well, there are even stock problems at many Carriers including the big 3 in the USA.  These are modern high end smart phones, only the latest iphones/droids with dual core CPU's are better and that is not the majority of phones in use out in the wild.  And if you are like me and love a hardware keyboard on your smart phone none are better than a BB.

 

Jon

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big_montana

None of those phones have dual core procs or 4G, just standard 3G, that is not wha tI call  a modern smartphone. I used to have a Bold, and now own an HTC Evo 4G, and can type faster on the touch screen keyboard then I could ever type on the Bolds tiny physical keys. Swype and swiftkey make typing on a touch screen so much better than on my old Bold's crapy keyboard that I would fat finger constantly.

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blackdog

Hmmmm I must have a special one, my 9810 is on a 4G network right now.

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big_montana

ATT does not have a 4G network yet. They have a few cities piloting LTE, but no devices. The Blackberry 9810 is HSPA+, which is enhanced 3G or 3.5G, but is not 4G, despite what ATT and T-Mobile will have you think.

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gendoikari1

I don't care if Steve Jobs comes back from the dead, I'm still going to hold onto my Blackberry.

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AntonioGarrison

Never give up!  I would buy a Blackberry before I would buy a rotten apple anyday.

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hades_2100

So would I. Having said that, I would also buy an Android over BB anyday.

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Holly Golightly

RIM still has a chance, they just need to bump up on quality of their hardware. I am talking making handsets like The Blackberry Porsche Knight. That phone screams quality. If they keep making the same designs and have a poor app world, then they are destine to fail.

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