Researcher to Demo Apple Hack That Destroys Batteries

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Warlocke

When you find a vulnerability, especially one like this that could literally blow up in someone's face, you cannot simply ask everyone to hush and hope the bad guys won't figure it out for themselves.

Of course, companies would prefer to take that approach, because it doesn't cost them money and silence has the happy side effect of making them not look like irresponsible idiots.

Apple: You put a bomb in your laptops and set the countdown timer's password to default. Suck it up and fix the problem.

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Caboose

Hopefully Apple actually looks in to this, and fixes it properly, unlike the keyboard issue a year or two ago.

What is it with Apple and leaving passwords to their defaults? For a company that apparently prides itself in its secure platform, this is one of the dumbest and moronic moves you could make.

You always, ALWAYS change the default password. Even a random 16 digit number generator for these passwords would work, and it'd be easy to write too.

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Keith E. Whisman

I started an account at MacLife and started picking on it. LOL.. There are no articles at all about this problem on MacLife. In fact there are no articles that are negative towards mac anything. 

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Engelsstaub

http://www.maclife.com/article/features/5_reasons_we_um_dont_love_apple

...a little search would reveal that "Mac people," as some of you warriors-of-some-noble -maginary-computer-cause may call them, are people (who complain) too. Now allow me to dig around here on Maximum Winblows (Linux barely exists here anymore) and see what sort of criticisms I can find of Microsoft...

...I'm sure the people at Mac|Life give a rat's-ass.

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Respox

 

Why should you expect any sympathy for Apple on this site? While Macs may technically be PCs as well, there is nothing "maximum" about them except for the marketing lies and the numbers on the sticker tag.

Macsimum Bullshit, Macsimum Price

 

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TerribleToaster

 

1. I find it hilarious that the article begins by saying "See, we don't love everything about Apple! This article will counter that idea!" It's like when a little kid picks blue instead of red because you said they always pick red and they want to show you that they don't.

2. The problem most have with Apple isn't about computers; it's about business practices and tactics.

3. MPC can't go two days without ragging on Windows in some way, nor can anyone who comes here. If Mac users embody the idea of self love to a sickening level then Windows users embody the idea of self loathing to a degree unparalleled.

4. If the people of MacLife didn't care they you won't have posted a response on your/their behalf. And if you don't represent MacLife then don't bother posting a response in the first place. Either way you are showing that you giving more than a rat's ass about the subject by taking the time to actually disprove anything he said.

 

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Engelsstaub

5. I own and use a  PC that costs twice as much as my Macbook.

6. MPC used to have coverage of LInux proportionate to the amount of people who use it. Linux most definitely is "Maximum PC." Now they have more stupid bait&troll stories about Apple, and every half-assed-researched thing they can think of "wrong" with them, than stuff that's actually relevant to "PC" eaders with a life.

7. I'll post whatever I want. It doesn't matter who you imagine me to represent.

8. ...is how old you sound in your post.

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TerribleToaster

 

"5. I own and use a  PC that costs twice as much as my Macbook." 

What does this have to do with anything said? 

"6. MPC used to have coverage of LInux proportionate to the amount of people who use it."

Ok, how does this matter?

'Linux most definitely is "Maximum PC."'

Because?

'Now they have more stupid bait&troll stories about Apple, and every half-assed-researched thing they can think of "wrong" with them, than stuff that's actually relevant to "PC" eaders with a life."'

1. I don't see how any of this is half-assed in any sense of the word, unless you are referring to the fact that Apple half-assed the job in the first place.

2. Regardless of how you perceive the stories to be presented (as I don't see how Ryan's article was meant as a flame bait, unless if you consider the use of simple natural terms and proper subject distance as inflammatory), if they are actually factual I don't see why you would be so upset.

3. I'm pretty sure a hack that can caused the 9 cell lithium battery in your computer to explode is something relevant to the PC discussion. I'm curious as to how you can think that such a thing isn't worth talking about, or that anything that can be wrong with any PC is not worth talking about.

4. PC readers with a life is an oxymoron.

"7. I'll post whatever I want. "

That's already pretty clear and there is sadly no laws against acting like an idiot. But just to be the wise guy, I will point out that you can't post whatever you want, but only whatever you want that is within the guidelines for posting.

"It doesn't matter who you imagine me to represent."

So you don't represent the party you are defending nor do you represent yourself? Who do you represent then?

"8. ...is how old you sound in your post."

Ad hominem. Attacking your opponent instead of the argument is the sign of a weak mind, weak understanding of the subject at hand, or refusal to reform due to issues of pride. No matter which, it is unbecoming and makes you look more like what you are accusing everyone else here of being.

 

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Engelsstaub

"Yawn."  You win the internet. (Are you a representative of Keith up there?)

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TerribleToaster

A false surrender? Do you care so little for your own beliefs that when they are threaten you would rather pretend to give up than defend them? So that what, the second someone like me, who is forcing you to think, is gone you can go on and pretend nothing ever happened?

What a pitiful way to go through life.

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Caboose

If you don't like it, you can gtfo.

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Engelsstaub

Yap, yap. "I don't like it and I won't get the fuck ooot, hey?"

You're like my cyber-pal now, Caboose...let me ask you: you said here in the past that you used to work phone support for HP, right? When people called you with a problem, did you have to firstly try to pitch them an extended warranty like Dell always does to me?

I can call the Apple Store and make an appointment for tomorrow and they'd replace my battery (if it needed it) free of charge and out of warranty. I'd bet money on it. They recently popped open my brother's Mac Mini and got a disc out that was stuck because it was full of gunk (his fault.) Out of warranty. No charge.

I hope my battery does blow up. I'll get a new Sandy Bridge MBP with a Thunderbolt port to replace it.

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Caboose

Well aren't you clever. "oot" huh? Not like I haven't heard that one before.

 

And when I worked for HP, I was tech support, not sales.

 

And no, I am not, have not, nor will ever be your "cyber-pal".

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Engelsstaub

:( ...not even sure how I'm going to sleep tonight. I thought, after all we've discussed thus far, that we could be buddies and stuff. I'm really not going anywhere and will keep calling bullshit until this publication grows the fuck up.

Most of you just eat up this "Apple news" as though it were coming from a Fox News commentator...it may as well be. Supposedly nobody here should give a crap what Apple does or doesn't do. How much reporting integrity would a tech site be demonstrating if it were only concerning itself with articles that expose the negative aspects of Apple? Because that's what they do here now at Maximum Microsoft: Chan's gone, so there's no more Linux either.  This joint is apparently now being run by middle-aged trolls feeding the teenaged trolls with fanboi bullshit.

I wouldn't mind seeing some articles on how much PC manufacturers (or the beloved MS) fuck up and/or fuck over their customers. You can look at satisfaction-surveys all day long and see where Apple resides in customer service. They aren't perfect and often do dumb shit, but this magazine is apparently overcompensating for the obvious by its selective reporting. They should be bitching up the PC manufacturers too. Many of you guys build your own rigs. That's commendable. Those who don't get jacked around way more than Apple's customer base by any standard.

So in closing: if this isn't all a bunch of bullshit by fanbois masquerading as real journos, then they should either start reporting on other Apple news (not necessary IMO) or pull up their pants and drop the irrelevant agenda.

...hey?

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TerribleToaster

Don't want to interrupt a conversation between friends, but I'll point out that they do report other Apple news. Just a few days ago they had their article about Apple dominating Windows in revenue for the quarter actually. I haven't ever seen them post an political incorrect Apple article in the few years I've been reading on MPC and I'll challenge you to find one.

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Engelsstaub

You're talking about this one, I suppose: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_sees_strongest_growth_ranks_top_us_pc_manufacturers_shift#comment-151741

You're correct. ...but that is the one and only I've ever seen. Did you read the comments that followed? It seemed more like a platform for a certain editor's trademark rant to me. ...and it really was relevant to the whole Maximum Windows thing going on around here lately.

You think you're winning some internet-argument shit and keep this stuff going with your gloating while I'm just blowing you off. The reason for this is I (since you're so fond of numbering everything) "1." It will never end with someone like you. You'll come back for three weeks trying to get the last-word in. Waste of time...talking to someone responding on behalf of someone else. "2." I  don't want to or need to respond to people who write like you do. It's ridiculous. Go back and re-read your crap. Do you ever even proof read anything before you hit that send button? Seriously: the only thing (in the above comment alone) I didn't have to read twice do to piss-poor grammar and (lack of ) punctuation was the first sentence.

I know: I'm the grammar nazi. It just pisses me off that English is my second language and I have to try to decipher shit like that from people who likely only speak English. You and everyone else.

So do you really need a list of links to those "an political incorrect Apple article??" I've bookmarked this page. I'll be glad to get back to you with just the ones I've read in recent history. Here's a few headlines: "Apple's Weaksauce Back to School Promotion..." ...as opposed to MS's generous XBox offer to get students to buy a cheap laptop. That sounds exactly like a headline you'd read from a legitimate tech news source. "For the Mac Fans: Windows Gets Malware Too" ...no shit?? Not so much though, right?  "The Game is Afoot: MacDefender Malware..." ...all kinds of badly researched, disproven, and uncorrected BS about that subject.

Keep it coming. I'll be back tomorrow to try to read your inevitable "last-words."

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TerribleToaster

 

"You're correct. ...but that is the one and only I've ever seen." 

So you missed the articles on the success of the iPad? The iPhone? The many mentions of the ups and downs of Apple's app store policy compared to Androids? How Apple is among the highest in consumer satisfaction? The history of Apple along with 9 other "original" tech companies? Apple's involvement with LightPeak (now Thunderbolt)? 

You really seem to have a done a poor job researching. 

"Did you read the comments that followed?"

What does what a bunch of random users comments have to do with the content of the article? Remember that your original complaint is that MPC has an agenda against Apple and that they create articles with intent to discredit Apple. What people comment about on those articles is a completely separate issue.

"It seemed more like a platform for a certain editor's trademark rant to me."

That seems rather cynical, even for you.

"...and it really was relevant to the whole Maximum Windows thing going on around here lately."

Which part? The Microsoft didn't do as well as expected in their quarterly earnings (particularly on the PC side)? That amount of disappointment surrounding Win8 development? And how was "it" relevant?

"You think you're winning some internet-argument shit and keep this stuff going with your gloating while I'm just blowing you off.”

Ah yes, I'm the foolish hot head throwing insults and nipping at the heels of the brilliant protagonist that the world revolves around who continuously brushes me aside like nothing for my words are naught. Despite the fact that, regardless of what you think of me and my motives, my points still stand and will be untarnished by any character flaw of my own that you could possibly uncover seeing as the topic has nothing to do with either of us, personally. But, let's humor you:

"(since you're so fond of numbering everything)"

I can't think of any reason for this comment. You either meant it as an insult (which would be par for the course for you, but I don't understand how it is an insult) which is ad hominem or you were just pointing out that i posted in a list which is just entirely irrelevant to any point.

"It will never end with someone like you."

Well that isn't a reason. It's a statement without explanation. Why could this not possibly end with someone like me?

"You'll come back for three weeks trying to get the last-word in."

Ad hominem and, ironically so will you (since you are still coming back). This really doesn't mean anything, other than we are both persistent. It does not show any hint of my "gloating" or any reason that I couldn't possibly end this. It actually shows the opposite of you "blowing me off" seeing as it shows that you feel the need to respond to me.

"Waste of time..."

So, once again, why are you responding?

Otherwise talk about a classic example of avoidance behavior, 'Damn, I can't prove him wrong, so this must be a waste of time.'

"talking to someone responding on behalf of someone else."

Seeing as were both talking and responding on behalf of others (you for Apple and I for MPC) I not sure whom you directed this at. But I'm curious as to how you think it's a waste of time.

"I don't want to or need to respond to people who write like you do. It's ridiculous. Go back and re-read your crap."

Ad hominem, (you really like to throughout those personal insults). I could write English like Hemmingway or a dyslectic Chinese man, it still wouldn't change any of my points. As long as you can understand what I write (which you clearly do) there is no problem.

"Do you ever even proof read anything before you hit that send button?"

Yes. Do you think about how the stuff you type helps to prove your point?

"Seriously: the only thing (in the above comment alone) I didn't have to read twice do to piss-poor grammar and (lack of ) punctuation was the first sentence."

Well then, I'd be happy if you pointed how my grammatical errors instead of just saying they exist and seem to cause you great deals of pain (which is weird for a person who is "blowing me off" to spend so much effort to understand what I'm saying). But I sincerely apologize that you have so much difficulty with how people use English, you must live a life in hell, seeing as I am normally considered rather well versed I can't imagine the pain people on the other side of the bell curve cause you, and you have my condolences.

"I know: I'm the grammar nazi."

Why is this a separate paragraph despite being the same idea? Why isn't Grammar Nazi capitalized since you are referring to it as a title? And wouldn't a comma be better than a colon in this sentence in order to keep the flow? (Couldn't resist being the wise guy, sorry).

" It just pisses me off that English is my second language and I have to try to decipher shit like that from people who likely only speak English. You and everyone else."

Oh my, I never realized that I only spoke English. All those years I spent in my foreign language class never happened? My life is a lie!

But I beg of you to please share the issues I have with English with me so that I may improve upon it. How embarrassing this all is, not only is English apparently the only language I know, but I know little about that someone who had English for a second language can't even read what I write due to my own incompetence (and not possibly due to English being their second language).

"So do you really need a list of links to those "an political incorrect Apple article??"

Of course, your argument fails to mean anything if you can’t offer any proof of it. They should have been there from the start.

"I've bookmarked this page. I'll be glad to get back to you with just the ones I've read in recent history."

Ok.

' "Apple's Weaksauce Back to School Promotion..." ...as opposed to MS's generous Xbox offer to get students to buy a cheap laptop.' Problem with that is that the first 2/3 of article are about Apple changing their back to school policy to a rather weak one and citing both Fortune and Business Insider for sources. It's only the closing paragraph that mentions MS at all. I don't see how this is politically incorrect since the majority of the article is about how Apple has greatly weakened their Back to School Promotion after years of success with their previous one with a little blip about MS to show how relatively great a change this is. Unless you consider pointing out a company making a faux pas as politically incorrect.

“That sounds exactly like a headline you'd read from a legitimate tech news source."

Actually it doesn't for two reasons. First is that for the reason I stated above (most of the article is about Apple), second because it uses the word cheap to describe the product and not the price (a faux pas), it misses the point that the Xbox is free, and the Xbox is mentioned before the audience (the students), and it makes no mention of the Back to School portion. If it was your MS glorifying title, it would more likely be: "Back to School: MS's Generously Offers Students Free Xbox with Cheaply Priced Laptops".

 

'"For the Mac Fans: Windows Gets Malware Too" ...no shit??'

Despite the fact that you may realize this, a large number of Mac Fans didn't (and still don’t, sadly) believe that the Mac can get malware. Once again, the title perfectly describes the article and the article makes perfectly valid points.

'"The Game is Afoot: MacDefender Malware Already Evolving" ...all kinds of badly researched, disproven, and uncorrected BS about that subject.'

Really? What exactly was badly researched, disproven, or bullshit? (Seeing as articles like these are published journalism, that the are constantly updated and corrected with the latest information is not a moot point true for any news article).

Let's look through it:

"Not a day after Apple finally acknowledged the Mac Defender trojan,"

That is documented and verified.

“the original malware author has changed up the attack, making it even harder to prevent infection. "

That's also true.

“The main impediment before was that users had to enter their administrator password, but the new variant no longer requires that."

Verified,

"It's a brave new world for Mac users, folks."

Could be see as a opinion, but mostly true since this is the first big case of malware for the Mac in news coverage as well as how vulnerable Mac's are. It changed how many people viewed Macs.

"Since most Macs are run under a single user account, most instances of the operating system are running as administrator."

Also verified.

"That means this new version of the malware, called MacGuard, will simply pop up a dialog box. The user does not have to enter their password. Instead they only have to click Continue. Once installation is complete, the installer removes itself from the machine's Application folder, leaving no trace. "

Again, true.

"This installed application then reaches out and installs the main malware app that is similar to the original Mac Defender. There is no prompt to the user when this happens. The new malware app is a clear response to Apple's instructions in the support document. Users that thought they could avoid infection just by keeping their password to themselves are apparently in for a rude awakening."

Also true.

"That other OS maker can tell you one thing, the malware arms race won't just stop."

MS has always commented about the malware arms race, so yes.

And that's it. Where was the poorly researched bullshit that has since been disproven? I missed apparently so it would be nice if you could point it out.

'Keep it coming. I'll be back tomorrow to try to read your inevitable "last-words."'

I don't remember ever saying any last words and I have no intention too. Actually, almost all of my posts have asked you questions (of which many you avoid answering) which would be the exact opposite of last words. I knew long before coming into this conversation that if there were any last words they would most likely be coming from you as either acceptance that your original opinion was both wrong and hopefully an apology for the many insults you threw at both the MPC crew and everyone else or the sounds of you rage quitting because your pride could not allow you to admit you are wrong. I must admit that I also saw the possibility (however slight) that you posted something that actually proved your point and that I would be the one retracting my original statement, but after this last post of yours where the crux of your "argument" was 75% personal insults, 15% self glorification, and 10% poorly reasoned (if at all) statements I now have great doubt that you could prove yourself right even if you were.

 

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Engelsstaub

Yeah, I did miss that Paul Lily article on Thunderbolt. Three paragraphs are easy to overlook. Sorry.

"Rage-quitting." You are the intended age/audience of this current staff. When you're done feeling superior to "Apple-people," you'll continue on to a twenty paragraph "comment" rebuttal to console users about how they're not real gamers. It won't even matter how they feel about Maximum Windows. That's a bit "ad hominem," but I feel it's relevant.

Get concise if you want to waste my time with your internet argument on behalf of Keith way up there. (Not you for Max PC or me for Apple, as you imagine.)

Did you really spend "years" in a foreign language class (unidentified for a reason; you'd hate to get called on it and then have to use Google Translate to try to back it up?)

There's some more "ad hominem."

"Well then, I'd be happy if you pointed how my grammatical errors instead of just saying they exist and seem to cause you great deals of pain (which is weird for a person who is "blowing me off" to spend so much effort to understand what I'm saying)." ...could you possibly finish that fucking run-on sentence so anyone can comprehend it??

...you want me to respond to your twenty paragraphs (which will in all probability multiply with each new response) in a comment section, but I can't even get past shit like this. Or "an political incorrect." English is, by your admission, your native tongue. How can you imagine yourself "well-versed?"

I indeed avoid answering many of your questions. I have a responsibilities to attend to that are a bit more pressing than twenty-paragraph responses to twenty-paragraph responses. If you would like to further engage me, do so one or two points at a time in English we can all understand. The volume of your "well-versed" replies exceeds the text of the article and the time I have for children with online battles to fight. (That's not only "ad hominem," but legitimate criticism.)

I'll start with the one about MacDefender. I was mistaken regarding a specific article and one of similar subject-matter:    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_tells_tech_support_not_help_malware_victims#comment-143151

You were there writing nonsensical shit like this: "Seeings as you have access to the internet, I'd do simple search next time before making any claims in my Windows/Microsoft/ Ballmer tirade." Emphasis mine.

So  I guess I wasted your time too. You felt compelled to devote nearly twenty sentences to an article that I identified by mistake. My bad! Don't you wish you could get that part of your life back? If so, I know how you feel.

This comment was brought to you by ESET™ ...and none other! Winner of every MaxPC AV-roundup!!

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TerribleToaster

 

"When you're done feeling superior to "Apple-people," 

That's a nice assumption that's based on... nothing. I don't feel superior to "Apple-people". 

"you'll continue on to a twenty paragraph "comment" rebuttal to console users about how they're not real gamers." 

Ummmmm, besides the fact that I play primarily console games; I have never even talked about consoles.

"That's a bit "ad hominem," but I feel it's relevant."

Besides the fact that ad hominem literally means that what is said is not only a personal insult but completely irrelevant, what you said wasn't relevant. Just some more pot shots from you that have nothing to do with proving MPC's agenda against Apple.

" ...could you possibly finish that fucking run-on sentence so anyone can comprehend it??"

That's a compound sentence oh great English Guru. You see, for it to be a run on sentence the independent clauses have to be not directly related.

"English is, by your admission, your native tongue. How can you imagine yourself "well-versed?""

Mostly because I am well versed, auto-correct tools, are not. And as you pointed out, because you do so many things wrong, my answers are quite lengthy and as this is a internet conversation with someone who matters very little to me I'm not going to spend any large amount of time proof reading.

"I indeed avoid answering many of your questions. . I have responsibilities to attend to that are a bit more pressing than twenty-paragraph responses to twenty-paragraph responses."

So basically, you are saying you refuse to prove your point. If you can't answer questions like "why is this bull shit?" then you have no argument. That is why you don't answer those questions.

" If you would like to further engage me, do so one or two points at a time in English we can all understand. The volume of your "well-versed" replies exceeds the text of the article and the time I have for children with online battles to fight."

So you are poisoning the well? Because, even though you seem completely capable of understanding me and thus able to decipher my points, you decide not to answer them because they don't have perfect grammar? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? It'd be one thing if you were completely incapable of reading anything I typed, but you have already replied multiple times with clear understanding of what was said or meant to be said. Saying that "Your English is understandable, but not perfect, so your arguments are invalid" is not a defense.

"(That's not only "ad hominem," but legitimate criticism.)"

It's pretty clear at this point that you have no idea what ad hominem means. 

" was mistaken regarding a specific article and one of similar subject-matter:    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_tells_tech_support_not_help_malware_victims#comment-143151"

Well that's pretty weird thing to call BS on, seeing as they had a link to their source right in the article.

(Here's a copy of the, confirmed, memo "http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/apple-support-instructions.png?tag=mantle_skin;content")

"So  I guess I wasted your time too. You felt compelled to devote nearly twenty sentences to an article that I identified by mistake."

If you read the post, you'd realize that ~90% of those twenty paragraphs were copy&paste.

"My bad! Don't you wish you could get that part of your life back? If so, I know how you feel."

I wasted 40 seconds of my life, oh noes.

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So I guess you have given up on trying to prove that your argument had any validity since almost all of the post above was just a string of insults that have, in no way, proven that MPC has an agenda against Apple. You ever going to get back to proving that? I mean, I'm apparently just some dumb illiterate kid; it shouldn't be hard for your almighty self to show irrefutable evidence and airtight logic. Because if you can't, it would be very embarrassing that your great self could not come up with a point that this young and idiotic child could not disprove. I worry because if you continue on this tirade of insults, people are going to just assume you are a troll with some agenda against MPC, which would be very unfortunate.

 

So let's hear. Give me your presentation. If you were talking to a room full of people about "How MPC has a clear agenda against Apple" what would you say?

 

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Engelsstaub

Again: finish that sentence. It is an incomplete run-on sentence. You want me to answer any of your BS, then correct yourself so anyone can understand you. Read the sentence and tell me how you would expect anyone to know how to answer it. Or fix it so I can.

Go back and read the comments I (and others) left on the "Apple Tells Tech Support Not to Help Malware Victims" article. Read all of it again. We've proven the bias there (it went unacknowledged and uncorrected by the staff.)  I think I've made my points here in the past. I've no will or reason to reiterate them again...especially to one who was right there and has already read them.

Calling people trolls on the internet doesn't mean shit anymore. A troll is now anyone who writes something another doesn't like or agree with. The real troll in this thread made the admission of going over to Mac|Life to talk shit about irrelevant shit. And you felt the need to speak for him.

I'm not going to copy and paste things I've already said on articles you supposedly read. Go read them again. (See; this noble cyber-battle of yours does not require pages of response. You can have more time to argue with "rage-quitters" in Black Ops or whatever.)

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TerribleToaster

 

"Go back and read the comments I (and others) left on the "Apple Tells Tech Support Not to Help Malware Victims" article. Read all of it again." 

Once again, whatever the comments say HAS NOTHING TO DO with what MPC's publishes. 

"We've proven the bias there (it went unacknowledged and uncorrected by the staff.)"

What exactly was the bias? Give me the sentence they published.

"I think I've made my points here in the past. I've no will or reason to reiterate them again...especially to one who was right there and has already read them."

You haven't made any points. You are posting articles as "examples" of bias without any explanation of how it shows they are bias. Vague responses don't work.

"Calling people trolls on the internet doesn't mean shit anymore. A troll is now anyone who writes something another doesn't like or agree with."

You aren't being a troll for being disagreeable; you are being a troll for not being able to go a sentence without writing personal insults. A little civility goes a long way.

"I'm not going to [...]"

If you aren't going to try and prove yourself, don't expect me to do it for you.

Remember this is you trying to prove your theroy that MPC has an agenda against Apple. Honestly, it's been days since you posted anything that was even an attempt at justification; and, all I can see is that you are stuck since you can't find a way to prove you're right. But rather than admit your wrong or even just leave and give up without a word, you've come back day after day to post as much vile as you can and seem to think that, somehow, justifies your your theroy. If your next post (which I'm sure will still being dripping with hatred and snobbery) doesn't contain an explanation of why things are bias and not another "I don't have to give an explanation, you go find it for me" statement I'll do you the favor of not responding. I'm not your parents, it's not my job to teach you life lessons.

I must admit, though, I am amazed at both the scale of your superiority complex (seriously, you can't seem to stop the whole talking down attitude) as well as the scale of your spite. I hope you don't think or act like this offline. Your pride wouldn't let you live out of your twenties. Not to mention no one would ever respect anything you would say, regardless of how true or false it was.

 

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Engelsstaub

FINISH THE SENTENCE.

How many times did I ask you to finish your unintelligible question?

"Spyware? Viruses?" they ask, usually while gently sipping tea with one pinky raised. "Oh, no. Macs don't get those." Given the snootiness, we can help but smile when we imagine them sputtering and spitting out said tea in the wake of the Mac Defender malware that began making the rounds earlier this month."

...directly from the article. Case closed. The whole article was more than bias. It was intentional disinformation, as I and others proved in the links we provided. THAT is the relevance of the comments. They went unanswered by you, Caboose, and everyone else including staff "Apple's response? Nothing officially." Nothing but an immediate publishing of a support document with instructions on how to remove it. Nothing but the near immediate security update that came down the pipes. They told phone support to tell users to disinfect with an AV program in the tiny little meantime. Expected, yes? Better than having them hand out bad advice.

Bias is one thing, intentional disinformation is quite another. And that ranks this current staff lower than Fox News op-ed commentators  I've got plenty more but I'm done reading your unintelligible bullshit that you refuse to clarify.

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Caboose

Dude, stop feeding the troll.

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Engelsstaub

Maybe I am a troll by some definition, Caboose. My original response was to an admitted troll who went to another website to troll. And then another troll came along and followed a comment to you when I already "conceded" in hopes that he/she would STFU.

Perhaps you are the only person here who is not a troll? "I don't know...I don't like your opinions too well. I think you might be a troll too."

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Caboose

Here's a tip. If you feel that you are so right, then why not just drop it. Be the bigger man (if you have the ability) and walk away (so to speak). This constant bickering back and forth between you two is doing nothing but making you BOTH look like morons.

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zNelson24

While I never really liked Apple, or the Mac's closed hardware, this exploit needs to be fixed. It may be another example that the Mac isn't immune to viruses, one that can finally make that hooplah common knowlege, but it can also pose a danger to public safety. I'm not saying the hacker should be migitated or anything, I just believe the thing needs to be patched or recalled. Electrical fires are bad.

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peteyj222

naw, he should keep going and "accidentally" blow up all the macs.  eh heh

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Otaku16

ya know its funny out of all the viruses and spam that has been made over the years that apple makes shots about. i don't recall any pontentionaly being deadly or possably cause injury... like this flaw could be should it be exploited..

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Marthian

The day people actually are going to get injured by computers... Ah crap it came sooner than I thought/hoped.

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igoka

Quote : " Many security analysts have asked Miller to stop his work, as it could prove too dangerous " . Stop ? He found exploit that at some circumstances can  create a complete havok . More than that , he is trying to fix this . 

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TerribleToaster

That probably could have been worded better. They meant for him to stop his public presentation on the exploit, not stop his research into it. 

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devin3627

this makes me wonder if someone should investigage the death of the programmer who died from the exploding battery.

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LatiosXT

I'm surprised Apple hasn't sued him for trying to defame their "perfect" image.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Oh, Homeland Security is probably busting through his door right now, looking to send him to prison for 50 years, because he's such a danger to corporate profits.

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schneider1492

and this domain will be seized in 5...4...3...2...

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Sonickid101

As PC Linux/Windows users we need to distribute to as many macs as possible to destroy them all so that the PC can once again reign supreme take that Justin Long. I say we exploit this vulnerability to destroy the evil apple once and for all.

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r3dd4wg

The icing on the cake would be if he could display the graphic of the Mac bomb picture (the one that indicated the Mac "blue screened") just before the battery caught fire or exploded.

 

(For those who don't know what I'm referring to, on my one and only Mac I ever owned, a Powerbook 165c, when the O/S crashed, it showed a picture of a round bomb with the fuse lit.)

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Kinetic

This entire article is an outrageous fabrication. Anyone who has seen an Apple commercial knows that Apple computers are immune to such things as viruses or malware, and the very notion that an exploit like this could exist is heresy of the highest order. I certainly hope you-fact check your stories better in the future. Good day! /sarcasm

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schneider1492

error... you forgot to put /sarcasm in brackets

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docloft

Steve Jobs in his heyday would have either burned this guy at the stake or hired him.  -Love that this guy demonstrates the vulnerability then the fix for Apple.

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medavid16

Does apple make their own batteries or they outsource, like Samsung / LG Screens? Presumably it would hurt Apple, but ultimately the original manufacterers would have some fire if this thing lifts. And one could only imagine it's easy to thwart this, if this guy can figure it out, sure Apple will change suppliers and/or implement a firmware fix quick. 

And i'm sure all the 16 y/o hackers seeing this artcile are gonna go to their batcave and try to get their own hax out, and knowing the blackhat community, this idea must've been spread already and proved not successful yet except this one guy. So really, if it gets released, 1) it'll be the one main variant by this guy alone, 2) if it does, and people in the know will just use non-Mac access to internet for the fix (or wait for a fix), 3) Apple obviously won't sit around and do nothing about this, whether it's engineer a fix or some kind of lawsuit.

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Keith E. Whisman

Apple only only does research and development and design. They also make their own software and operating systems but they outsource everything except for the OS. But the batteries are a Apple design even though they are being built by a third party. So Apple is the sole responsible party here unless the third party manufacturer cut corners somewhere to save money. 

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kixofmyg0t

I'm Anti-Apple, with that said I think he needs to continue his work.

He's working for the greater good, and he's shown a vulnerability that could harm someone.

 

Also you'd be surprised how big a security hole your battery is....some devices open their guts out to a modified battery.......as I learned a couple years ago in the PSP hacking scene.

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Morete

Years ago in public chat rooms we would get threats from trolls and so-called "hackers" that they were going to fry our PCs.  People would say that this was impossible to do.  Never say never.

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Marthian

They also believed it was possible to destroy a computer... Operating System wise, you probably could destroy a computer hardware wise now possibly via overclocking WAY over factory specs (7.0Ghz on a AMD Athlon 64 3500+?)

I have no clue, but it does sound possible, ESPECIALLY with the apps I see that allow overclocking from an external device IE a phone... that and most people do NOT take care of their computers very well.

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Keith E. Whisman

Well what happens when you get too agressive with an overclock? It overheats and shuts down because of the thermal protection built into the chip. Now overvolting can destroy a processor with little to no safeguards to stop it from happening.

 

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nsvander

So how long before the TSA now bans all laptops from being carried on and used?  I could see this a real threat, if you have a malware infected chip, that at some random time could cause these laptops to have the battery explode, that could be a real danger while flying.

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Keith E. Whisman

This kind of thing is what bot nets were made for. That would be cool to have access to a single key that would command all mac book batteries to self destruct at a certain time, like at the very time that Steve Jobs was born on his birthday. Oh this kinda thing shouldn't be possible but it is because Jobs hates you.

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whathuhitwasntme

they will not only NOT thank him but more likely

they will littigate against him! you wait an watch, they

will have him in court for backwards engineering the code

and try to make him pay for any and all batteries that ever go bad from now on.

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iceman08

sweet

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