Rambus Lawsuits hit a Legal Snag

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txboston

...they were wrong. All you people that think Rambus are just a bunch of patent trolls should really look up the history of what actualy happened. If I was Rambus, I would be doing th exact same thing, as these companies admittted collusion to put a superior product out of the financial reach of customers by dropping the price of DDR so low that there was no way for Rambus to compete.

Read the GUILTY pleas from these companies from the DOJ website.

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212002.htm

If you still think the same about Rambus after seeing what type of collusion they were up against then by all means, keep slamming them. All I know is that we all lost the oppurtunity to purchase a great product to make our computers much faster, overclockable, and more dependable years ago.

 

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Keith E. Whisman

When Rambus was actually producing memory it was way over priced. Only Intel CPU's used it and those CPU's weren't much faster than the DDR friendly AMD processors. I'm talking about maybe a couple of FPS different in most gaming benchmarks.

Rambus made a deal with Intel. Rambus was the only memory you could use with the Pentium 2's and 3's. Pentium 4 was a kickbut system because you could afford to build a P4 box with gobs of ram for less than what it took to build a P3 box with 128mb of rambus memory. Plus rambus tried to make everyone buy at least 2sticks of memory as one stick would not work. You could use 2 but you had to have a plug thing for the other unused memory slots. Come on how brilliant is Rambus. For the time they were manufacturing memory they didn't even attempt to compete with the market prices or technological innovation. They just didn't even innovate at all. The didn't want to change anything. Everyone talks about Rambus new tech but where was it back in the day when it really mattered? 

If Rambus has a new technology then they should bring it to market. Because they don't they are just patent trolls. I can come up with an idea and scribble it on paper and have that patented and then sue anyone that produces a product that is vaguely like the ideas scribbled on my paper. Sure it's wrong. 

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txboston

I have a Rambus based system in the other room, which is still used today, with a Pentium 4 1.8 Ghz overclocked to 2.2Ghz running WinXP SP3 and MS Office 2007. Cant upgrade much more because of no PCI-E slots, but the thing still works great. I don't even remember having the option with Pentium 2 or 3 chips. The Rambus ram also runs at 1066Mhz. DDR was just recently able to hit that mark with its latest iteration. As for the requirement for two chips, well one of my earliest computers required the purchase of two chips.It was called parity ram. Remember that stuff and the blank chips were only neccesary if you did not fill all four avalable slots,which I did for a totalof 1 Gig of memory. That thing flew and blew most eqivalent machines out of the water. For the new Intel Core i7 chip, you have to buy three sticks of DDR3 to get the full potential from the system, and you thought having to buy two chips was bad. Have you seen the prices for the tri-channel kits? Rambus also had much lower latency than DDR. Yeah, it was more expensive, because the other ram manufacturers feared the potential of the Rambus ram putting DDR manufacturing out of business. As to your innovation point, of which I am not exactly sure, because RDRAM already ran at 1066Mhz six years ago and DDR is just now reaching that speed, If anything, Rambus was too innovative. As to the deal with Intel, Intel only backed out due to pressure from their motherboard makers who were under pressure from the DDR makers. I will agree with you on one point however, and that is that Rambus had a golden oppurtunity to make a lot of money and their management blew it out of greed and power and wanting strict control over who was able to use the technology. As for the patents, what has beeen going on recently i am not completely up to date on, but I do know that DDR was based on Rambus technolohy, and that has been admitted to by all parties involved.

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txboston

I have a Rambus based system in the other room, which is still used today, with a Pentium 4 1.8 Ghz overclocked to 2.2Ghz running WinXP SP3 and MS Office 2007. Cant upgrade much more because of no PCI-E slots, but the thing still works great. I don't even remember having the option with Pentium 2 or 3 chips. The Rambus ram also runs at 1066Mhz. DDR was just recently able to hit that mark with its latest iteration. As for the requirement for two chips, well one of my earliest computers required the purchase of two chips.It was called parity ram. Remember that stuff and the blank chips were only neccesary if you did not fill all four avalable slots,which I did for a totalof 1 Gig of memory. That thing flew and blew most eqivalent machines out of the water. For the new Intel Core i7 chip, you have to buy three sticks of DDR3 to get the full potential from the system, and you thought having to buy two chips was bad. Have you seen the prices for the tri-channel kits? Rambus also had much lower latency than DDR. Yeah, it was more expensive, because the other ram manufacturers feared the potential of the Rambus ram putting DDR manufacturing out of business. As to your innovation point, of which I am not exactly sure, because RDRAM already ran at 1066Mhz six years ago and DDR is just now reaching that speed, If anything, Rambus was too innovative. As to the deal with Intel, Intel only backed out due to pressure from their motherboard makers who were under pressure from the DDR makers. I will agree with you on one point however, and that is that Rambus had a golden oppurtunity to make a lot of money and their management blew it out of greed and power and wanting strict control over who was able to use the technology. As for the patents, what has beeen going on recently i am not completely up to date on, but I do know that DDR was based on Rambus technolohy, and that has been admitted to by all parties involved.

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Keith E. Whisman

Looks like you double posted to point out the obviouse. LOL...

Anyhow your memory is better than mine as I could easily just look things up on the net but let me say that I would enjoy arguing anything with you sir. That is the most respectable reply that I've read here on MaximumPC.com I bow to your nobility.

The most important thing here is that Rambus is no longer a competitor. They make their money by suing memory makers and companies like Nvidia that are building so called patented memory controllers into their video cards... LOL... Just kills me. But anyhow. 

It's just the way I see it. My oppinion. Oppinions are like butts. Everyone has one.

But anyhow I am impressed with your respectable reply and I look forward to future discussions here on MPC.... 

 

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GreenTurtle

 Everyone sing with me!!! " And the train....just keeps trollin' along...... Oh the train....just keeps trollin' along"

Maybe it should be (ram)BUS instead of train. I'll work on that. Kind of catchy.

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Paul_Lilly

I'll be careful not to use 'Rambus' and 'Patent Troll' in the same sentence (do'h!), as the last time I did that, it brought the Rambus fans out of the woodworks in full force (LINK). So instead, I'll just say Rambus is an aggressive pursuer of disputed royalties through questionable patent litigation, much like a certain creature aggressively pursues toll before letting passerbys cross what he claims is 'his' bridge.

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Keith E. Whisman

Ah screw those snobs. RAMBUS IS A PATENT TROLL-------------------------RAMBUS IS A PATENT TROLL------------------------RAMBUS IS A PATENT TROLL----------------------------And their fans stink too.

 

Long Live MaximumPC.com and  Paul Lilly the Great.................. 

Maybe I went a little too far but screw them if they can't take a joke. You have to call a spade a spade and a Patent troll a patent troll. If it quacks like a duck...........

 

And it's about time a judge saw Rambus for what they are.

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QUINTIX256

Always this conspiracy of (non)competitors Micron, Samsung, Hynix, and Infineon some how being in the same boat, despite the fact that they are bascially selling their products at a loss without paying rambus any licencing fees. Some are even cutting back their production and work force.

Yes, they are definitely getting together to push poor helpless Rambus out of the market. NOT!!!

Cvill, sell all the investements you have in Rambus and invest in AMD. They need your money far more than Rambus's lawye--- erm... miracle working engineers.

You can have your recession. I'm not participating.

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Wildebeast

If they're throwing documentation away, it sounds like they place no value on the paperwork, and the patent(s) by extension.

I'm sure I don't have nearly enough facts, but DRAM seems to have been sort of standard for a long time.  Have they really been holding this patent for 10-15 years, and we've only been hearing about legal action that last 5 or so??

I know around 1990, Texas Instruments was suing a lot of these same companies over patent violations.  I don't know how that came out ---can you really own a patent for an entire category of microchip??

It's doesn't have the same dollar value, I guess, but I'm wondering how these companies ended up selling products that Rambus thinks violated their patent(s).  If it's like Intel's 64-bit Pentium, without the Intel/AMD no lawsuit agreement, I think they should make these companies pay. 

At the same time, I hate the number of Tech Companies that made good products and are no longer with us, because lawsuits like this broke them.  (Like 3dfx and Aureal...)  You never really know, if the lawsuits were justified, or the lawyers' fees just broke the bank.

I hate that if you own a patent, you may have to have people working for you who do nothing but check competetitors' products for violations. 

I hate that you have to basically give a law firm seats on your Board of Directors to keep them around to handle this kind of lawsuits.

Can a Judge or a group of lawyers really understand enough about how these high tech components work to decide if there's a violation?? 

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pk_de_cville

"Is Rambus just a patent trolling? "

Nah, the truth will surprise you.

They actually invented modern memory fundamentals, past and future.

Micron, OTOH, led a conspiracy of major memory makers including Samsung, Hynix, and Infineon to control price and markets in a successful attempt to steal the key inventions and then to (unsuccessfully) kill Rambus so they'd never have to pay royalties.

You'll be happy to know that American Justice, although delayed, will finally cost the bad guys dearly with some even going dead dead dead for their trouble.

Yay USA Justice!

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Pixelated

Gee, it sure sounds like it doesn't it? When the judge offers an
opinion that you're taking this a bit too far and have patents which
lack inforcement because of something as simple as a lack of proper
paperwork, it's time to take stock and or change tactics. It's just a
matter of time before this ends badly for Rambus. Or before courts
start throwing out law suites by the dozen.

I've got tons of
amazing patents that some billlion dolar companies have stolen but I
just can't find the paperwork right now.....

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jikins999

There's no doubt Rambus is a patent troll, just like Qualcom. I hope they both go out of business. Both are stifling inovation with their greed.

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