Psystar Shipping Mac Clone with Blu-ray, 9800GT
Posted 10/30/08 at 08:33:43 PM | by Pulkit Chandna
Psystar, a leading Mac clone manufacturer, has stolen a march on Apple by launching the very first OS X-compatible PCs outfitted with Blu-ray drives and GeForce 9800GT graphics cards. Psystar president Rudy Pedraza lampooned Apple, in a press release, for having still not embraced Blu-ray despite the fact that it has already won the HD format war.
He heavily extolled Blu-ray, which he believes is a huge asset for media editing professionals and enterprises - a demographic that Psystar can now serve.
Psystar is certainly trying its best to get under the skin of Apple whose patience must be wearing thin. Around a fortnight ago, Apple and Psystar agreed to an “Alternative Dispute Resolution”. Prior to that, in July, Apple had slapped a lawsuit against Psystar. The latter soon returned the favor by filing a lawsuit of its own against Apple.
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Absolutely nothing wrong
Submitted by horzo on Fri, 2008-10-31 16:11
Absolutely nothing wrong with MaxPC covering Apple, but I personally will never buy Apple hardware and will obviously never buy an Apple OS unless and until it's installable on any old x86.
Go Psystar!
Submitted by Bender2000 on Fri, 2008-10-31 07:43
Regardless of the OS, this Mag is about getting the most out of your hardware. That means hacking and tuning and over clocking. That's what Psystar is doing, they are getting their rigs to do things they want them to do. They are doing it in the face of Apple too. So cheers to them. There is a hole in Apple's lineup for the consumer tower where they can move the preformance emphasis around and save money. More choice for us. That's good. It also offers the opportunity to spec out a Psystar then load it with alternate OS's and run benchmarks. Think of the response to that! Max PC benchmarks XP, Vista, Intrepid Ibex and Leopard with the exact same hardware.
I still wonder how they are able to offer Blu Ray since I don't think Leopard supports it, nor do I know of any apps that will play the movies or rip the video or write the discs.
Killerxx7
Submitted by ExarKun1138 on Fri, 2008-10-31 07:14
That may be true about Vista. But when it comes to the one thing I enjoy doing(other than the typical stuff people do on computers), Gaming is my big thing! And gaming on Vista, though better NOW, is still not up to par with XP Pro. I'm also one of those that thinks that a "pretty" OS doesn't necessarily mean a "better" OS. UAC is atrocious! When I ran Vista for about 2 months, I turned it off, which defeats having it. I want a POWERFUL, and FUNCTIONAL OS, not one that is eye candy. OSX suffers from too much eye candy. Do I think Vista is better than OSX? Maybe so. Does Vista deserve more respect? Nope. Microsoft has made that clear with the announcement of Windows 7. If Vista was to be the "Next XP", then why are they so quickly releasing a replacement for Vista? To me, Vista is like Windows ME, a TEST BED OS to see what pople do and do not want in an OS. OS9 for Mac was the same thing, and even some of the iterations of OSX were that as well. XP Pro IS powerful, functional, and just plain EASY to use, but not stuffed with eye candy just so the mainstream crowd will go Ooooo...Ahhhhh....Neato! Big deal! Both Vista and OSX are just that.....like a typical Hollywood movie that is ladened with spectacular viusals but no depth. XP is like classic movies that had real depth, strength, and return value. The biggest problem I see with Vista is that it was made to get the "chique crowd"(I made the error and spelled it CHIC) to like it, and not worry about how well hard core Windows users would like it. Not the way to make those who have used XP Pro switch over......as a matter of fact, NO ONE I work with or who has Windows PC's in their homes, uses Vista. Not a single one! Also, people talk about Macs as being better computers at almost anything compared to Windows PC's, but if that's the case, then why are 99% of ALL Home Theater Systems based on WINDOWS PC's, and NOT Macs?(Had to throw that one in there.....)
Just like to add that saying
Submitted by killerxx7 on Fri, 2008-10-31 06:40
Just like to add that saying vista is slow and crappy with bugs is pure stupidity at this point in time!I have used vista x64 on all my pcs for about 1 year now and found it just as good and better then XP,Its as fast and looks 10x better,since the release of sp1 i have had allmost 0 problems TBH i had more crashes with xp.
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Real Reason
Submitted by weaslem32 on Fri, 2008-10-31 06:05
I believe that the real reason for this article was to drum up debate on another company building mac computers. I think it's great to see another company build what was extremely exclusive to Apple. It forces competition and brings prices down. The one thing that has irritated me about Apple in the past years, is it's strangle hold on its own computers. I know that this practice stems back many many years between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, but they should release some patents so that other vendors can build macs at a reasonable cost. In any attempt, they would see their numbers rise, whether or not you think Apple or OS X is any good.
metropolis has you.
Submitted by ExarKun1138 on Fri, 2008-10-31 05:42
The reason I used the "shock jock" method to post my comments on here about Macs is the simple fact that when a Windows user tries to explain why XP is so much better than OSX, we seem to always get the same old tired arguments that float around the Mac world. OSX is OK at best. It's too much of a "hand holding" OS, and looks like it should be on a game console(funny how you mentoned the Xbox, which NO, I do not own a game console, never will). Mac users act as though it is such a "God Send" of an OS, yet every time I have given it a try, it seems more frustrating than "easy". I have a few Mac users that I know and I DO know that OSX crashes, has compatibility problems, and can be cumbersome, and in some ways, MUCH more so than XP OR Vista.
I am NOT a Vista fan, at all. I am a performance junkie, and Vista's isn't good enough for my use. Vista IS, however, more secure than EITHER XP Pro or OSX. That IS a fact! I even used the OSX for PC's version that was available, and man was that horrible. I'd rather use Vista! Mac users complain about XP Pro, yet I never see any REAL arguments as to why. It usually involves the same arguments of "XP is OLD", or "OSX just LOOKS better", or "OSX is more STABLE", which about that last one, is untrue. There are FAR MORE software and hardware options in a 'Windows Environment" than on a Mac OSX environment.
Mac users claim it's easier to burn CD's or DVD's or make movies on their OSX systems, yet I do that all the time on my XP Pro setup with no problems and it IS "easy" to do. And, I use software that is FREE or SHAREWARE from the internet. You all act like "finding software" to use as an alternative is such a chore and a hassle. Me, I LIKE having the ability to "shop around" for better alternatives than what the OS has built-in. I will say, though, Apples advertising campaign has gotten the "sheep" of the computer world to fall right in, and make is chic to have an Apple, but I know that when some of those sheep wake up and see that they have been duped, they ALWAYS come back to the real OS, XP Pro!
I hope these paragraphs SEPERATED!
Submitted by dstevens on Fri, 2008-11-07 15:38
off topic but
thank you whoever fixed the lack of paragraph sepertaion... that was annoying
Submitted by Khaled on Thu, 2008-10-30 23:27
If I had to get a hackintosh I rather build it myself... oh and I use a MBP as well as a windows xp based desk that I built ..
Let's not turn this into a flame war, it's boring ..
How did Psystar get around
Submitted by Keith E. Whisman on Thu, 2008-10-30 21:33
How did Psystar get around the Mac bios thingy that's different than what we get on the PC?
Submitted by shellpc on Thu, 2008-10-30 20:27
Since Apple switched over to intel x86 procs awhile back their computers have pretty much been pcs with OS X on them. That makes discussion about thier pcs relevant to this publication. Apple is just another pc brand that happens to also develop its own os. I doubt you could even call them a separate computing platform anymore.
Also Maximumpc reviews many things related to pcs, including gadgets such as Apple's iPhone and iPod.
To the poster below praising Apple - you're probably right about the user friendlieness and innovation. The 2 things I've heard Apple and OS X excel at over Microsoft and Windows. Performance, on the other hand, isn't one of them, which MaximumPC has proven numerous times and I'd rather take a hit in those than lose out on performance. The other thing I don't like about Apple is that their systems use proprietary parts. That means if something breaks you gotta get replacement parts from Apple. Using proprietary parts means they can ensure stability because the systems are only built with specific sets of parts. The downside is that you don't have much choice about what parts actually go into the machine or which parts you can upgrade. I prefer to build my machines over buying from a brand name. It allows me to choose the parts I want (within my budget). It allows me a broad choice of vendors for replacement parts when something breaks. Plus I get a certain satisfaction from building my own rig and seeing it work.
Lastly, its sometimes good to see what the competition is up to and discuss how it affects us, because it does affect us in some way.
P.s. - Are paragraphs working? Cause they're not showing up in the preview. I apologize ahead of time if this gets posted as one giant paragraph as I did format it when I typed it up.
Submitted by weaslem32 on Thu, 2008-10-30 20:26
First things first. Everyone needs to remember what "PC" really stands for. Personal computer. In that very definition, any computing device that doesnt take up the space of a garage can be considered a PC. People also need to keep this era in perspective with technology. Society and computing have gone through and will continue to go through emense and radical changes. We can all sit here and debate the "who's better" rationale all day long, but it serves no purpose. People come to this site and magazine to see the latest revelation in computing, period. Also keep in mind that Maximum PC reports on all companies in the technology business who build components as well. Apple not only builds "mac", but they make other products as well, including software. I personally am not a Mac fan, however, you have to give Apple some credit where credit is due. Even if you dont like Apple, they push inovation and competition. The same can be said for Microsoft, Google, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, Creative, etc, etc, ad naseum.
It also might be prudent for some people who decide to post here on Maximum PC, to take the time and read your own post before you hit the submit button. The grammar and spelling is just appauling, even from a computer geek's standards.
metropolis has you.
Submitted by Hawtoldman on Fri, 2008-10-31 03:16
"The grammar and spelling is just appauling"<>
It is spelt appalling. Hypocritical grammar-nazi.
Submitted by ExarKun1138 on Thu, 2008-10-30 20:25
I never mentioned Vista. Is that what MacTurds use as a defense? What's really sad is, XP PRO walks all over OSUX Leaturd, and it's 6+ years old. Period! I make fun of Vista, or Pista, as I call it. Sure Microsoft screwed up on that one, but remember OS9? Thank you. My Intel Q6600 Quad core, Gigabyte mobo, 4 Gigs of ram, 10k 150Gig Raptor/1 TeraByte Raid 5 hdds, nVidia 8800GTX, and dual 22" WS Flat panel monitor setup boots up WITH XP PRO in 28 seconds! It NEVER crashes. It also spanks the CRAPPLE in gaming, productivity software, business apps, surfing(that's WEB surfing), burns any kind of CD/DVD(including blueray), oh, and is just a helluva a lot of fun to USE as well. I've worked on Crapple systems, and they suck. One thing MacTurds like to boast about is the fact the PC gets all these spy/grey/malware threats and viiruses, and that is why you all CLAIM OSUX Leaturd is much more "secure". What you forget is the fact that hackers don't CARE about CRAPPLE systems. They aren't used in any "mission critical" or major corporations to store improtant data like PC's. They have no need for your music selection off of iTunes, or your movies you made of your dog. They want to do as much damage or make as much news as possible, and attacking CRAPPLES doesn't do it for them.....just not enough to worry about. i.e CRAPPLES are INSIGNIFICANT! And, PC's are modifiable, and I can CHOOSE what case, mobo, proc., keyboard, mouse, gamepads, etc. and NOT be stuck with whatever Steve Jobs and his minions MAKE me use! I have YET to see a XServers system used in a major corporation here in my city(Houston TX.), and I know of NONE that use them from all those I know in this IT world. And if you count ALL the pc's in homes, offices, and the servers together, the CRAPPLE systems are like a pimple on a elephant....irritating, but useless. Oh, and Justin Long-in-the-tooth is a fag!
Okay, Too Much.
Submitted by Peanut Fox on Thu, 2008-10-30 22:11
Wait, did you just say XP Pro is better than OSX? I have used both Mac and PC, and I like them both for the advantages they offer. But seriously, I don't think you have spent enough/any time with Mac OSX to make such a blanket statement. And FYI a close friend of mine has a Macbook Pro and I have seen plenty enough OS add-ons to make OSX just as customizable an experience as XP or Vista. But those how are serious about a custome take on an OS use Linux. Lastly, to use derogatory language on a public message board only speaks to the type of person you are. I bet you get on Xbox Live and yell racial slurs under the cover of anonymity, until your mother comes up to put you to bed for the night. Enough of you please!
Submitted by ExarKun1138 on Thu, 2008-10-30 19:50
If that CRAPPLE is so good, why are you here? Seems to me you have no NEED for a PC site! And the CRAPPLE is made for those who are too afraid to use a REAL computer. You need Steve "The Punk" Jobs to hold your hand while you do ANYthing on that "computer". CRAPPLES have always appealed to those who have no use owning a computer, since a PC requires at least 2 brain cells to use, unlike a CRAPPLE. Get a real computer and come back next time when you do. Take that CRAPPLE and jump off a short pier!
OSX should be called OSUX......
Oh, and if your CRAPPLE is so good, why can't it do the punctuation for you? You obviously NEED that feature. I guess that CRAPPLE keyboard and mouse just aren't that great, huh?
And my XP PRO based PC never crashes either. And, guess what, I LIKE getting software for my computer. Maybe you don't need anything but basic crapple stuff, which proves that the CRAPPLE is just that, CRAP!
Submitted by PCIV on Thu, 2008-10-30 19:57
I've used both XP and OS X for a long time, so I think I shouldn't be considered an ignorant Mactard.
I'm thying this on a macbook. OS X runs better than anything else I know for some basic stuff. For example, expose is better than Flip 3d. You can't deny that. As well, I do prefer having a piece of mind when going onto iffy sites, as most viruses will be Windows Based (I still have Anti virus rinning.).
Maybe your windows malfunctioned and caused your caps lock to turn on at random. Or maybe you're just more fustratable because Windows pisses you off. I wouldn't know. My OS boots in 30 seconds to full functionality.
People have their preferences. Why don't people insult Linux? One of mac's biggest beauty is that there are less (not none, I know that) driver problems. *cough*Vista*cough*nVidia/Creative*cough*.
Don't forget that the MacbookAir now has a better graphics card than your baby Envy-133.
I will note that I go back to XP to run Office 2k3/Games I've collected over the years/Online games. I've tried 2K8 on Mac, it's counter-productive.
Microsoft i snot
Submitted by big_montana on Thu, 2008-10-30 20:18
Microsoft i snot responsible;e for vendors releasing crappy drivers. Are they responsible for releasing it before it was ready for prim time? Yes, but place the blame where it belongs when it come sto driver and application incompatibilities, on the vendors that created them and did not follow MS guidelines. Also, you consider a 30 second boot time tremendous? I can get my Vista box to boot up in half that time, BTW way I also own a Mac G5 ($10,000 retail at the time) and have crashed more apps on my Mac than I have ever crashed on an XP or Vista computer. The Superdrive is currently dead on my G5, and Apple wants $300 for a replacement. For my Vista rig that drive would run $35, not $300. You say you want piece of mind when accessing "iffy sites", well I have news for you, 60% of teh top 100 most popular web sites are infected with either viruses or malware/spyware ro both. Those are the sites that should concern you most. Anyone you states that a Mac cannot be infect with viruses or crapware is delusional as it does and has happened. Mac fans love to quote that their PC's do not get viruses. When you have 10% of the market (being generous here) there is no money to be made writing viruses for your OS, but they do exist as well as does spyware. There are anti virus apps available for Mac OS X too, and you are an idiot if you do not use it. Does Mac have less driver problems than Windows based PC's? Certainly,as Jobs maintains strict control over the hardware in it, while Windows supports every piece of hard ware ever made, past present and future. Mac's do not have the same type of hardware, or software, support that Windows does. If the Mac was released to it could be installed on any platform you would see the same types of problems with MAc OS that you currently see with Windows, if not more. Mac OS X is a less secure OS than Vista or XP right now, there are more security holes and it takes Apple far longer to address them and release patches than MS does.
this crapple
Submitted by Dexter243 on Thu, 2008-10-30 19:33
thats do to the fact that apple kicks the pc's ass in alot of things .
true if windows got to custom build ther pc's for ther os windows would be even better but it dosent
and in that the mac is better then the pc in many ways .i have a mac and i will not go back for every day things like video eddeting and music and also internet stuf and email it is safer and it is much nicer having a 1 stop system
by that i got a mac mini and it is all ther i do every thing and it is easy to do and figer out i only keep a windows pc around for playing games and thats is it and on my laptop i run Ubuntu and it works so much better then windows and it a cheep acer from wal-mart that came with vista and after i instaled Ubuntu every thing works and instaling drivers wher no problem and for internet and wirles stuf and using as a dvd player on trips it works alot better then windows vista so you can cry about all the mac stuf on maximumpc all you want but the fact is ther are a few things that mac do much better then windows and for alot less $ when you consider i havent had to spend a nother dime on programs for my mac it is all built in from the get go with every thing tweaked to run very well on the system and a crash is damn near unhurd of unlike a pc
Submitted by ExarKun1138 on Thu, 2008-10-30 19:26
Who gives a flying fart! A Crapple by any other name is still a Crapple!
What I still can't figure out is why, if this is a P C magazine site, do you INSIST on covering the all the news from Crapple? It's getting VERY old having to sift through all the Crapple bullsh*t on both this site and the magazine. ENOUGH already! If I want Crapple news, I'd buy a CRAPPLE magazine and go to CRAPPLE sites! Sheeesh! My Maximum PC mag renewal is coming up, and I'm seriously thinking of canceling! It is an absolute SHAM to have ANYTHING about CRAPPLE in the magazine OR on this site! You guys are getting worse by the month, and should be ASHAMED to call yourself PC ENTHUSIASTS!! Give me a frackin' break!
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