Psystar Releases Another Mac Clone Amid Legal Battle

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ar09

i was thinking about moving to a mac, because i couldn't make vista work on my system.

then i upgraded my mobo+cpu+mem to an i7, and vista works.

i am now waiting for win7 and if that goes ok i will forget about macs.

 the reason i before was looking for macs is because they look nice and, the macos looks good, not to mention that vista wouldn't work.

i still like the mac. but, everything is in windows now.

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Khaled

Interesting how this got a news post while actual mac hardware were not mentioned :/

 

Anyway who would pay that? Just lookup hackintosh... and DIY :/ 

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HagarTheHorrible

I agree!  Let's see a serious road test to find out if this is a kick-ass product or not!

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Geeksquadmyss

Maximumpc should test one of these machines and put it up against a real mac with similar specs, and compare them?  Id like to see how they stack up.

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Keith E. Whisman

Actually that sounds like something MaximumMac.com should do. If I were a mac user it would interest me as I am not I could care less. But it is just a little interesting to me to possibly be able to multi-boot WinXP, Win Vista, Win7, Linux and Mac OSX.

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Keith E. Whisman

I am actually considering getting the new mac mini and using it as an HTPC with my new 42" 1080P full HD LCD TV that I love. I'll get it and upgrade the storage and install either Win7 or Vista so I can rip movies and stuff. The mac mini is a good choice. I can use a USB based TV card or something like that for recording TV shows. This thing will work too but I like the tiny size of the mac mini. 

Does this make me a traitor if I get one or will it be ok because of the Win7/Vista OS UPGRADE from OSX? 

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anthonyfg

No offense but why would you buy an over priced mini that has almost none of the outputs or room for almost anything inside it, no blu ray( I think ).... NOTHING. And its over priced

Show that your not a MAC idiot that buys MAC for no reason and buy a barebones and customize it to be perfect, and you can run whatever OS you want on it, win 7 is not the best idea yet for a HTPC becuase of the lack of driver support for the specialized items you might need.  Go with XP/Vista/linux then upgrade when win7 hits stores.

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Keith E. Whisman

I thought that the Mini would come with like 8usb ports thats what I heard. The mac mini just looks neet but also for my purposes I would upgrade the hdd be simple. 

If I wanted a perfect system I would get that Core I7 based HTPC with quad tv cards but I can't afford that. It probably would be best to get a shuttle box.

I was just really trying to make that mac guy happy. To show that I'm not a hater you know. 

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horzo

HTPC? I bought a bare bones Shuttle box and stuck in my own parts. Cheaper and more expandable than the Mini. Makes more sense to me than buying a Mini for its small size, then having to deal with an external tuner rig.

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Bender2000

Geeksquadmyss has a point, you can run Mac OS on cheaper hardware. I'll have to slip over to Maclife to read the benchmarks v. the new mini to see if its worth the effort, if they ever test it. I just wonder how he figures that an amatuer white box slap dash PC on the market demeans Apple's well engineered and assembled products. Does he also mean that a Falcon NW PC sucks because the exact same parts can be assembled in a cardboard box for less?

This is actually a safe buy because if they do lose the court battle, it'll still run Win 7 or Linux.

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Geeksquadmyss

Are the claims that there somehow superior to PCs in anyway, when they use the same PC parts, OS is a matter of preference i don't like the Mac OS, and i don't think it out performs Vista in any huge way, but use what you like.

Im tired of the beatings PCs take, while apple is applauded for being an innovator, when they consistently screw over consumers, frankly i think someone who knows how to put a pc together can build a better platform to run a mac OS off of that will perform better and be cheaper than what you can buy.

 As far as the Mini goes its a waste, since what you get isnt too impressive any way and for $500 or $600 you could do better. 

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Bender2000

I went on Newegg and came up with similar hardware priced around $400. Add OS for around $100 and save, save, save. Another thing Psystar learned from Apple, $25 worth of RAM for $50.

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nate5532

The similar hardware that you saw on newegg may not even work on an osx build.  I built an x86 osx machine and there are very specific features and hardware that you must get if youre planning on running osx.  1 yr ago i build a q6600/4gb/500gb/8800gt/wifi/and acc for $700.  If you want to build your own "hackintosh" refer to http://www.osx86project.org/

 

They have a wiki page with all of the compatible mobo's, etc...

 

Dual booting with vista was a pain in my ass as well, almost worth the $75 for them to install... almost :)

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Seana7a7

Its great to see the smug look of Mac fanatics turned upside down. 

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Bender2000

Mac fans are no longer smug because... there is another option that saves them money? There is a platform they can tweak to serve them better? Or that this proves that there is more to a Mac than just a pile of PC parts slapped together?

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anthonyfg

UHHHHHH yeah a Mac is now a bunch of PC PARTS eg X86 now !!!!!!!! duh.  Mac fans are all about fashion over function.

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Geeksquadmyss

This just goes to show every Mac users that there "God" like Macs suck and are over priced when you can sell the same hardware in macs for a fraction of the price with the Mac os....hahah mac computers suck

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MacimumPC

Ok here's the problem. Mac users do not believe their computers are "godlike". We do think OS X is far better than Windows though. Ok? Get over this notion that we believe our computers are the "Be-all and End-all" in personal computing. We know they aren't.

On the other hand, it's great when I read on the Win7 TechNet boards when people have "Configuration X" which should blow the doors off Win7 but Win7 instead slows it down to a crawl and gives it a lower than expected Experience rating. My "sucky" Mac runs OS X amazingly well though. Choices are good...but sometimes limiting your system to certain hardware takes a lot of the headache out of it.

 

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Geeksquadmyss

The rating windows gives you is stupid and means nothing in terms of how well your PC actually performs.  Its all about how you set your OS up.

I have had no problems with vista being "slow" as so many Mac OS users claim, sure i cant open up 15 programs at a time but i dont need to.  Not to mention that Win7 is in Beta release so no one knows how the final release version will perform.

When my gpu takes a crap or just gets old i can replace it, you have to somehow find a new that can be put in to upgrade it.  Its not that mac users like a lack of choices they just dont screw with there $1000+ investment in a machine that will be using outdated hardware in 3 years but its still shiny and white, and hey by then Apple will have a new $3000 dollar tower or laptop with average hardware, right so who cares!

Sorry but i enjoy screwing with my PC.

And i have used a macbook and a mac tower and there is nothing special about the OS, i actually think it was rather slow,  they had 2gigs of ram to run it and it lagged and was not as responsive as i should have been considering it was a $1200 machine, and my toshiba satellite that was $ 1000 ran Vista much better for $200 less, you pay for what you get, and with a mac is average hardware and a shiny name.

Oh and hows blu ray on your Macs?....oh yea thats right cant replace the drives and theres no option for one..sorry about that  

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n0t_a_n00b2

Who really wants to watch bluray on their pc.  I'd much rather skip the 24" moniter for say, my 58" tv

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MacimumPC

DVDs are not really going anywhere any time soon. Also you can replace the drives...if you know what you're doing. It's not rocket science. I've cracked open a couple Macs...it's all just screws and brackets...just like any PC.

At any rate, I love this whole thing between Mac users and PC users. Here's the deal: We're smug? Lol..."Oh and how's blu-ray on your Macs?" Yes, that statement of yours is an actual example of being smug. We may pay more for the hardware, but the OS is 129.99. Outside of Vista Home Basic, where will you see that? You won't. You'll pay way more...for what? Aero? Big deal. There's only two flavors of OS X: OS X...and OS X Server. That's all any Mac user needs. 

At any rate, the Windows Experience Index is actually a gauge of how well your PC will perform running Windows...not how well you've setup your OS...whatever that really means. That's why it's an "experience index"...it shows how well you're going to experience the "useless overpriced eye-candy" that Windows has to offer. Oh damn...there goes me being smug. 

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Geeksquadmyss

First off mac notebooks used disc load drives which cant be swapped out , because they don't fit, and macs with the screen/hardware too use slot loaded drives that just leaves the mac pro towers which for the money are not worth it at all, and my point was pointing out the fact that Apple doesnt see the need to offer Blue ray, because they can. 

Dont get me wrong id love to use the Mac pro tower to build a machine into, its a very nice looking case, but the spec vs. price tag is my problem. 

As far as paying way more for an OS my Windows OS can be bought at the highest for $179, and most people only need Windows home, since it comes in 32 and 64 bit.   Not to mention it will work on any PC and no special hardware, i.e motherboard, like A mac OS right out of the box, even on a mac computer.

And the rating system isnt correct my laptop has a base rating of 3 which is BAD however since i dont play PC games on it or edit video etc, Thats why i have a desktop, my laptop is my college PC, for word and stuff, but it plays HD video and all the rest, just has ATI integrated graphics, but still runs vista great.

Mac users know all about eye candy, is that really what you think Vista is, your paying $500 for the apple name and $900 in parts

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MacimumPC

I have a combo drive which reads DVDs but burns CD-RW...I can swap in a Superdrive which reads and burns both if I want. Does that answer your question? Yes, I can upgrade...and do it myself if I want. Do I have as many choices as you? No. Do I really care? No.

Ok so what's the official tally here? I paid $500 for the name and $900 for the parts? $129.99 for the OS. Some people paid over $300 for Vista Ultimate. Over $200 if they upgraded. The OS is not that great nor is it worth more than $300 or even $200. If MS wants people to really trust them again, slim down the system like they are trying with Win 7, get rid of the 200 different versions and sell it for Home Basic prices. I remember back in the day when XP had Home and Pro...that was it. It had no trouble selling like hot cakes and nobody really bitched about it. In fact, people are still using it cause of what MS did with Vista.

Windows used to be like a business man: smartly dressed and very intelligent. As it got older it started to have a mid-life crisis thinking it's users won't like it unless it dressed up real cool (the XP Luna style and Aero interface). Yes, back in it's "Classic" days, the Mac OS was kind of the goofy uncle who did the "separated thumb" magic trick and then crashed on your sofa, but OS X is very elegant, very stable, simple to use, simple to tweak and modify, simple to organize and simple to work in. It gets out of your way and most importantly it gets out of it's own way. My mid-2007 MacBook will probably handle the next several versions of OS X without even needing an upgrade...especially if 10.6 Snow Leopard's footprint trimming is any indication. MS is doing the same with Win 7...but still not everyone will be able to enjoy all the useless eye candy of Win 7. That's what Home Basic is for! Right?! Ugh.

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Geeksquadmyss

And you still cant put in blue ray!  How about games? what games can you play? 

First of all the people who cant switch from XP to vista or from XP to Win7  need to get a new computer anyway because the machine they are running is outdated anyway.

Not to mention the fact that the i cant upgrade my Windows OS is bull,  i installed Vista on a 6 year old machine its now 7 or 8 years old for my parents and it works great, it runs fast and has good performance, i can play fallout 3, etc on it just fine, but my mom and my sister don't need a modern PC with the latest Hardware.  Stop trying to pull out OS handy caps because it doesn't work.

How many people do you think actually buy Windows Ultimate? No one is going into BestBuy saying yea i Windows Ultimate please! and if they are there wasting there money because there part of the normal market and dont know a lot about PC's.  I think that if you went around and asked people who use windows ultimate you would find that there for the most part enthusiasts or business owners that use ultimate. I like having a choice between what version i get, another simple pleasure of PC's which i ownly really need home or 64 bit support for more than 4 gigs of mem.  People dont switch because a new OS is comming out soon, and or because they think its a hog and dont want to switch.

Vista is also stable , so is XP, so as of now is Win7.

I dont care what OS you use my point is is that Apple users will buy apple crap simply because its "cool" and is so innovative which BS.  What people Buying macs need to realize and own up to is that your are paying for a name, not Superior hardware or better performance.  Look at apples commercials, the apple guy is flashy and hip and thats why people buy apple stuff, because of its IMAGE!

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MacimumPC

Lol. Ok. You win Smug PC guy. You win. Lol.

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Keith E. Whisman

I would rather be a smug pc guy than an asshole mac guy.

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Keith E. Whisman

The only reason why they claim slow downs is because they don't understand how to adjust the settings for speed. Win7 defaults for stability and software protection. The slowdown is with hard drives. You have to turn off some settings and turn some on for sheer speed. You have to do the same thing in Vista. Once you make these few system settings changes everything is nice and speedy. 

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Bender2000

The fact that they don't even know to make these adjustments points out how complicated it is to support almost infinite hardware combinations. And do they really understand the tradeoffs in these settings? This is an argument for keeping it simple by limiting hardware combinations.

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Keith E. Whisman

Think of like this ok..

Limiting hardware configurations limits innovation and invention. Do you ever want us and humans to build the USS Enterprise and kinda float around about the stars? Then we need to encourage innovation and invention and limiting this is counter to advancing technology.

By allowing innovation and invention large companies like Microsoft have to work hard to stay on top of things but everyone ends up being happy.

With macs only hardware and software that gets approval and overall licensing from Macintosh gets to the end user. And getting a license is not cheap or free.

There are licensing issues with PC but it's pretty much open ended and what I mean is that there is no restriction on what can be made to work with a PC. You can't say that about Mac.

So I think that is the reason why a PC powers the space shuttle and the International Space Station and not a Mac.

In fact the US military relies on PC's for everything. No macs.

The Federal government relies exclusively on PC's and not macs. I'm sure many own Ipods though as do I. I have an 80gig Ipod Classic so I'm not a Mac hater. I'm just defending PC and the Windows OS.

Macintosh could have a great thing going for it if they would just release the Mac OS to run on any PC. It wouldn't take much to open it up. It's little more than a bios check that needs to be removed from the OS install and the addition of support for more hardware and it's just as hardware open and Windows. 

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n0t_a_n00b2

Ya the federal government also relies on cadillac escalades but that doesn't make them amazing vehicles. They still will fail like the rest of GM.

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Geeksquadmyss

It doesnt make any sense. Plus how bad are these slow downs? its a very vague term, not to mention that it could be due to a crappy hard drive, which would explian slow boot times, and long app loadin times.

The answer shouldnt be strangle yourself with restrictions on hardware options, thats the beauty of a PC is that there are tons of options, and most OEM users dont have to worry about touching OS settings or slow machines because they will never know the difference!  And if a power user or some who is computer savy can't figure it out theres always google!, or the forums on here for help! 

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