Playstation Network Outage Drags Into Day 4 With No End In Sight

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Konvics

In my opinion i like xbox 360 wayyy better then playstation, i just think that all around xbox360 > playstation

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ShawnO.

I believe I know the real reason the PSN network is down.  I have been waiting for the game Grim Dawn to come out.  On their main page you can read an interview.  To the right of that there is a link for reddit.

reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gx6o4/im_a_moderator_over_at_psxscenecom_the_real/

 

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ShawnO.

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nuclearbastard

Maybe they'll fix that issue where people can't use the Other OS feature with their PS3s any more.

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Jon R

Doesn't the PSN use Gamespy to power it?  That would be Sony's first mistake to use the worst matchmaking service on the internet......

 

Jon

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ChatterboxChuck

I enjoy watching people complain about the services they paid for which they themselves approved of by ,well, paying for it. Everyone knows what happens when you purchase products that are based off of cloud services, you loose any connection with that service and you can't use it anymore. Happnes to me every time my Internet service gets disruppted for what ever reason, I am unable to play Starcraft 2 under my account. At least I have guest passes but still.

This is why you don't buy into the hype of new systems, new platforms, new concepts and new technology, because businesses like Sony are not out to provide the best products to their customers, they are out to make money and we are their guinea pigs every time they rush to get the lastest and the greatest to use before it's even ready for mainstream. There should be a law where everything should be labled BETA till proof to the contrary is provided or something.

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damicatz

The level of incompetence that Sony has shown has been nothing short of astounding.  I am responsible for serveral mission critical servers/server clusters and if they were down for this long, especially because of a hacker, then I would be out of a job.

Surely, with something as mission critical as your entire online server, they would have backup storage hardware, right?  The proper procedure in an instance like this is to identify the security flaw, connect the backup SAN array (or backup storage media) or image the current setup, restore from a pre-compromise backup and fix the flaw.  You don't sit and do a complete forensic analysis while the service is down, the only thing you do is figure out how it was hacked and fix it.  A more comprehensive forensic analysis can be done later using the image or the SAN array that you took away.

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jnwoll

The level of your imcompetence Damicatz, astounds me.  Connectivity is not always derived directly from equipment that is backed up.  If firmware is infected on the BGP or router level, you're hosed.  You need a complete search in all areas. 

I'm pretty sure Sony has people working on it that might be a just a bit more knowledgeable about what to do than you.  I've seen a number of your posts in the past.  Seriously, stop being the guy that opens his mouth when the adults are talking pretending you have a clue on what you're talking about. 

 

 

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Caboose

There is no such word as "imcompetence". The word is incompetence. Here, a definition for you.

in·com·pe·tence /ɪnˈkɒmpɪtəns/ Show Spelled[in-kom-pi-tuhns]–noun 1. the quality or condition of being incompetent;  lack of ability. 2. Law . the condition of lacking power to act with legal effectiveness.

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damicatz

Well, first off, it's incompetence not "imcompetence".  If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least make sure you don't make yourself look like one in the process.

This is not rocket science.

Firmware can be backed up.  Router configurations can be backed up.  Purge the affected systems and restore from a backup. Unless you don't have a backup of the router's configuration in which case we are back to incompetence.

Also, there is no "BGP" level.   BGP is a protocol that is used in determining reachability for routing data between autonomous systems or between internal routers.  BGP is used by routers so it's still the "router level" or, more properly, Layer 3.  Perhaps you meant to say edge routers.

My understanding is that this was primarily an LOIC attack by a bunch of rank amateur script kiddies with perhaps one or two of them being lucky enough to guess some passwords to get into their AAA servers. Given the level of incompetence displayed by Sony (such as sending credit card information unencrypted.), I'm surprised it took this long for a serious breach to occur which leads to the somewhat disturbing possibility that perhaps their has already been a breach and data theft by a cracker who actually has some level of competence and knows how to cover their tracks.

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Caboose

Ignore this message

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I guess those hackers aren't playing around, huh?

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M3g4d37h

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect that Sony's draconian actions -- I have an old PS3, and was dismayed not only when they removed linux capability (which was a major selling point, really), or the fact that these early models were damn near as bad as the XBox360s, I had to repair over heat issues several times, and I get the feeling that many more have than is commonly thought..

So then, you get the whole DLC issue -- If I pay $10 for an add-on to a game, is it not mine?  Can I not play it when your network is offline (lol)?  Look, I give you X dollars, you give me the goods, and let me play, end of story.

Then you have the whole recent DRM/Modding fiasco, and it's clear that they have made mincemeat out of this ge0h0t (sp) kid, and I am of the opinion that they have made enemies, and enemies that are clearly capable of getting behind the money truck when the doors fly open.  ergo, they do what they do for principle anyway, money isn't the issue imo -- Right or wrong, that isn't the point, either..  I wouldn't be surprised if someone obtained the source code to proprietary PSN network software (inside job?), as this smells serious, and if they even percieve any of this as a viable possibility, they may have just decided to just shut down and rebuild compromised areas, or the entire thing from scratch. As an aside, it could have been coming anyway, as anymore the PSN is cluttered at best.

It's a shame that these folks just can't treat their customers with the same respect and loyalty that they have undeservedly gotten from the millions of their customers.  Being a business used to mean being respected, but practices like this are why big business are now immediately suspect.  Simply put, they made their bed; now they get to lie on it.

 

FWIW, i'm not a modder.  I don't mind paying the $10 to play MLB in the Polo Grounds, but why can't I play my DLC?  Huh? Huh?

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nealtse

Heh, the free PC license seems like a complete turnabout to the standard DRM practices.  I'm not too bummed out by the PSN being down, I do have a computer, and other things I can do with my time.

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Jesterace

Free for those who have chosen not to upgrade to Playstation Plus such as I did myself. With the free games and ps1 classics it was worth it to me. But now that it's down I'm not sure as much anymore.

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spoonard

Hope PSN comes back up before my copy of Portal 2 arrives! Even if it doesn't though, because Valve is awesome, I get a free PC copy with my PS3 version to play. Maybe PSN is gonna come back up with some kind of new fancy feature set or something. If not, i'm not really that upset about it, it is free after all.

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Cleaver

You might run into the problem of not being able to link your PSN to your Steam account. So, until you can, you wont be able to get the steam version.

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