Is "Piracy" too Glamorous a Term for IP Theft?

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dullthud

Begin rant:

 When I was a kid, back before the internet, we used to tape songs off the radio and copy albums with our tape decks. These days you can do it better and easier, but, the principle is the same. The media wants to call these people "pirates", because it's more interesting than "infringer" or something like that. As for calling it theft, that one's a little tougher. Nothing is being taken, it's only being copied, with the original still intact. How is that different from broadcasting it on the radio?

 Record and movie companies are in no danger of going bankrupt any time soon due to copyright infringement. Their claims that they are losing millions to piracy are not really provable. The artists see very little of the money from CD/DVD sales as other posters pointed out. The record and movie companies are simply trying to maximize profits, so that their shareholders are kept happy, by squeezing every cent out of the public that they can. Just business, not some bullshit moral crusade. These are lawyers and MBA's we are talking about here, not freedom fighters. They would take everything you had, if they could, so don't feel bad for them. If you want to break copyright law, that's your business, but it doesn't make you an evil scumbag, any more than pushing the speed limit a little in your car does.

Just don't get caught.

End rant.

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jlfrank83

We need to make some nominations to replace the term "pirates" since it doesn't carry the necessary negative connotation and scary stereotypes. Here's a few ideas:

  • Terrorists
  • Atheists
  • Emo-kids
  • Liberals
  • Miley Cyrus
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dullthud

  • Communists
  • Nazis
  • Republicans
  • Anyone who reads the "Twilight" books or goes to the movies. I hate you so much.
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Ntldr

  • Democrats
  • Independents
  • People who drive like they are the only ones out there.
  • <Insert Random Group Here>
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vbiggar

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I haven't bought a Music CD since Napster and probably never will. I
don't download any music and I certainly don't pirate/steal anything.

These people are invading our privacy and the best way to beat them is to
stop paying. They sell the the same content in India and China for
1/10th of what you pay in Europe and the USA. Now lets ask who is
stealing. They say it is not stealing because you don't hve to buy it.
Well how many SCC laws are being brocken as the music indstry coludes
on price.

Stop paying for content and use site like Garageband and support real artists not commercialized Hana Montana wannabes

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Danthrax66

I wonder how NiN makes money since their new cd is free. Oh wait it's from tour revenue that goes to the artist. Don't let them lie to you artist barely get any money from sales of songs or albums. Honestly the music industry is a corrupt monopoly that needs to be taken down. And as for movies, make better ones and we might buy them.

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snapple00

What about all their CD's before this one?

Not free. Is that really your excuse to steal? Getting desperate these days.

Make better movies? So you steal bad movies and watch them? Wow, you must have a really exciting life... LOL

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aviaggio

 

You completely missed the point, as usual for people with your attitude.

The MPAA blames piracy for the decline of DVD sales. What they fail to realize is that most people aren't buying DVDs like they used to, but instead choose to rent, saving purchases only for the movies they really like and can see watching multiple times. If the movies themselves were better people would be buying more DVDs.

Oh, wait, that's right, the MPAA knows that people are renting more instead of buying. That's why they're now refusing to give rentals companies access to new releases till after 30 days, in an attempt to "persuade" people to buy titles they otherwise would just rent. Again, if the movies themselves were better we'd be buying the DVDs, not waiting to rent them.

And don't let Metallica fool you. We've known for a very long time that artists earn very little money from the sale of CDs; even less from digital downloads. The labels, distributors, and retail outlets get 98% of the revenue, while 2% goes to the artist. After studio and production costs are recouped of course.  Artists make their money from touring, merchandise, and licensing deals. 

 

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snapple00

Why are you talking about DVD sales?

What exactly is YOUR point? Attempting to justify all the media you stole?

Another gibberish post that tries, but says nothing. Typical, for people like you without common sense. 

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aviaggio

Because that was the point of the post you replied to and decried. Are you so far gone you don't even remember what you were replying to???

And I haven't stolen anything. I may have infringed copyright now and again, but theft? Nuh-uh. 

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steakkills

If it is a movie people still have to pay to get in and that brings in millions no one cares after that. Alright and to my local police department and school they think sexting is of more concern

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Tekzel

I think they should be concerned about "sexting". That is some wierd shit. Even worse than "phone sex". If you want to get some, get some. Don't play at it.

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You know users... Buncha bitchy little girls.

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Neufeldt2002

And yet, the same people that pushed to have everyone called a pirate are now complaining that the term is too nice. I will never believe anything they say when it comes to this.

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bingojubes

Piracy to me means the type of pirate that plunders merchant ships en route to their various destinations. so-called pirates today are just plain thieves, because they don't go around hijacking delivery trucks sooner so they can hurry and upload it to the masses. it is either leaked ahead of delivery schedules or uploaded ust after release.

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Tenhawk

Actually, that's not correct either. Theft indicates the removal of something of value from one hand, and the placement of it in another. Software and media 'piracy' doesn't do that.

No, there is a far more accurate term for it. It's called Copyright Infringement. Shocking, isn't it? Piracy, Theft, Artist Serial Killing, or whatever other shock terms people want to use are all nothing more than propaganda aimed at making people believe that it's something it's not. People don't understand Copyright Infringement. It doesn't make sense to them because the 'losses' are all in THEORY. So studios started using piracy and theft and other terms over the years to try and make people believe that something more is happening.

They started the movement back when VCRs came out, trying to ban the very device that eventually defined the industry. Music studios began the same idiocy against Burnable CD's, to the point where in some places like Canada you pay the industry a tax levied on blank CD's when you buy them at the counter. Never mind what you intend to use them for, you pay on the assumption that you're going to commit a crime. Of course the music studios not only survived burnable CDs, but continued to thrive well into the age of the MP3 where they quickly found something else to whine about.

More than a Decade ago, yes Ten freaking years, Napster  came on the scene and heralded the death of the music industry and the mass starvation of poor artists like Metallica. Oh wait. Yeah, they've posted record profits over the last decade, at least up until the recession (which is totally the fault of pirates. The recession I mean, everyone already knows that pirates are to blame for studio's record profits.)

Since then everyone has gotten in on the act, blaming so called pirates for everything from bad business plans to the death of modern media. (Am I the only one who wishes the damned pirates would hurry up on that second one? Modern Media SUCKS. If I have to sit through another 'huge' movie like 2012 I'm gonna go postal on both Modern Media and Pirates. Lazy Ass Pirates. How hard is it to finish off the industry that gave us Uwe Boll anyway??)

The facts of the case are this. Pirates generally spend more money on media than non pirates, all the 'losses' across all the media industries are ALWAYS theoretical in nature, and every time the studios attack a 'threat' they wind up actually *assaulting* the very future of their industries. It's a historical pattern.

VCRs were forecast to destroy the movie industry. Yeah, tell that to the companies that make movies EXCLUSIVELY for home release.

CD-R were supposed to annihilate the music industry. Ok, I'm not please with the bizarre mix albums I've been forced to listen to, but last I checked there were more musicians out there than normal people and somehow they manage to have a career that puts way more money on their table than I put on mine.

Digital Downloads. Lord, do I even need to go here? Despite the wailing, this is the future of media. More money is spent for less cost on the studio's part, and they STILL bitch.

What's next? Honestly not sure, though I'm guessing that it'll probably be something incredible beneficial to the industries that they will nevertheless wail and whine about, managing to get more laws passed in their favor despite not actually NEEDING any protections in the first place. But hey, welcome to the modern world. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, even if the little bastard is faking it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. 

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I Jedi

Why steal content that that doesn't belong to you in the first place? Even if the music/movie industries aren't losing anything, and everything is all theoretical in nature, why take what isn't your to begin with. This is the exact arguement I had with my ex because she loved to just rip music off of torrent sites by the masses... Point and being, the movie/music industries may be telling a lie, but what gives these so called "pirates" the right to take what isn't theirs in the first place? Honestly, is a $15/monthly subscription to Zune so hard to cough up?

 Hell, you almost had me convinced to start using torrent sites, I must admit; however, at the cost of moral standing, it just doesn't seem worth it.

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Tenhawk

Dude.

I didn't say you SHOULD take content. I don't care if you do or don't. That said, I do object to studios wasting both their (and by their I mean MY) money AND taxpayers (and by taxpayers I mean *MY*) freaking money on programs and systems that don't work, never did work, and never WILL work to save profits they didn't make, couldn't lose and apparently only ever existed in their imaginations.

Look, it's no big surprise. If there's a way to make money a capitalist  organization is going to exploit it. This is great, normally. It involves making new products that we all get to enjoy. I LOVE this. The problem here is that the new products they've 'invented' are called LAW SUITS and STUFF THAT DOESN'T FREAKING WORK. And the people paying for said lawsuits are, get this, US.

Law suits run up court times which, in criminal cases, translates into tax payer money. So, get this, they've found a way to charge us for stuff even if we DON'T buy from them. Now THAT is an innovative marketing plan.

The Stuff that Doesn't Work category includes things like Antipiracy DRM on DVDs, CDs, etc... Basically they don't work, they never have, but they DO cost a crapton of money to develop and guess who shoulders the debt? Yeah, the people who *legally* buy their products. Now, don't get me wrong here... A Certain degree of DRM should be implemented on discs... HOWEVER, as long as it prevents a *stock* version of windows from copying said disc, the DRM is as effective as possible. There's no reason to go any further. If someone has to download a program to crack your DRM, you've already made it as effective as possible. Don't waste anymore money on it.

As long as Joe Blow can't copy the disc with basic windows or OSX, you're covered. After all, it doesn't matter how complex your copyright protections are if someone can just download a program that breaks it for them. Someone with the desire to crack it, and the knowledge of the web to find the program, WILL get through any DRM conceived. So why spend anymore money on it than needed? Save the dough, pass some of the savings on to the customers, and sell more product at the SAME profit margin. That's basic economics 101! I learned that in freaking elementary school.

Make it cheaper + Sell it cheaper = More Units sold at same profit = Good marketing strategy 

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Tenhawk

Just as an addendum, I don't see this as a morality issue. Morality is personal in my opinion, at least to a large degree. Broad strokes are cultural, Don't commit murder, I think is one most of us can get behind for example.

Don't Steal, however, is one that we, as a culture, have a lot of trouble with. We ALL use stolen property every day, often even celebrating the thieves who stole it. Trust me, the land you're sitting on right now was almost certainly stolen from SOMEONE at somepoint. Odds are the thief is a national hero wherever you're sitting too. The electricity used to keep your computer running while you read this was the results of all kinds of patent violations back in the day, and let me tell you the original inventor isn't the guy who eventually won. Hell, let's look at the software on your computer itself. How much of it do you think came from the actual ORIGINAL developer? yeah, think about that for a minute and cringe. You're USING stolen property right now. What's more, it's property that the courts have effectively ruled as 'acceptably stolen'.

Ok, let's forget about that for a minute. That's just Microsoft, General Electric, and Big Government, right? We all know that they're going to hell for their chicanery. The movie and music studios never do anything like that, right?

Oh my, here we could have a load of fun. How many movie ideas do you think were stolen, and let's just leave poor Shakespeare out of it for now, given that he was stupid enough to be born before modern copyright laws existed. The common excuse here is that 'well there are only so many ideas out there', which explains why pretty much every huge movie was basically written by someone who watched something else and thought "I could do that better." (On the flip side, ever crappy movie was pretty much written by someone who thought the same damn thing.) I'm not going into details here, though, just google it sometime. The latest to be targeted by lawsuits over this is, of course, Avatar. (Most of the suits are likely crap, however if that's a purely original movie I just give up on the human race, I really do.)

Music studios are, of course, the same. In fact tales of their heinous EVIL acts are legendary.

Ok, so now what you probably get out of this is that I'm telling you "hey, it's ok cause they're evil!"

Wrong.

I'm just saying that 'Theft' is something our culture has a very hard time defining in a clear manner. We, as a culture, deify thieves. Our greatest heroes are people who stick it to the 'man' and get away with it. The studios themselves built their fortunes both by living that life and by deifying it further through their products. Now that they're rich, though, they don't want other people to 'stick it to them'... well Duh. Who would? Didn't stop them, and still doesn't stop them today, however.

Is this carte blanche to steal from them?

Eh. Here we enter into *PERSONAL* Morality. And you know what? Here is where I *stop* evangelizing. You're personal morality is sacrosanct, and I have no right and, currently, no cause to intervene in it. So long as you don't infringe on me or people I have a right to protect, in a *tangible* and provable fashion, I can't say a damn thing about your beliefs.

That's the way I like the world. 

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aviaggio

Because it's not stealing. If they're not losing any money and it's all theoretical why NOT choose to access content you desire? No one is stopping you from buying it if you choose. Unfortunately most of it simply isn't worth the money.

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jaycek017

You sir,

 Made my day.. In Iraq. That was very well put and I appreciate your point of view. Bravo sir, Bravo. If I could, I would have made that an article all by itself.

 

SPC Roberts

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hades_2100

Very good!

 

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aviaggio

AMEN

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Tenhawk

It's all part of their plot to eventually equate copyright infringement with cannibalism. 

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aviaggio

Right, they're the same ones that also call it theft, which it's not. And personally I like to think of myself more of an Errol Flynn instead of a Johnny Depp.

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