PC Sales Remain Flat As The Market Waits For Windows 8?

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Teeebs

Waiting for 8....good one. Maybe consumers are waiting for Windows 9? When Micro$oft finally gets their heads out of their posteriors, and realizes that a tablet OS on a PC was not such a hot idea.....

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ama789

my roomate's aunt makes $83/hr on the laptop. She has been without work for 8 months but last month her pay was $8682 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site...NuttyRich.com

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'69 GS Bui-hog

Intel HD Graphics 4000 are only available on the i7 quad Ivy Bridge processors. The difference in the L2 cache probably doesn't make much of a difference, so what advantages do the new processors retain?

I'd think it would be the lower power requirements. Therefore desktop systems and power users don't stand to benefit until Haswell chips arrive at consumer level pricepoints. At the moment it's notebook integrated graphics and these GPU sharing technologies with a NVidia 690M card, which seem to be the most innovative engineering solutions today.

Ivy Bridge was only meant to be representative of a tick in the tick tock marketing strategy.

Intel and Microsoft are looking today, to improve their shareholder value with Ultrabook product lines. At least whenever the companies catch a break from "tariff" inspired lawsuits over in Europe, which are meant to bypass WTO agreements on U.S. technology.

Sandy Bridge and her big sister Ivy Bridge, they are actually very affordable quad cores IMO. It doesn't make sense looking for deals in the previous generation's i5 or i7 line-up.

As it stands, unless you need a notebook with the equivalent 560Ti level graphics processing, then you are probably fine with what you got. I'd also like to see more videocard support for certain Adobe software products, since not everyone wants a Mac running Final Cut Pro. I'm very interesting in the uATX motherboards with Thunderbolt on the PCIexpress x4 lane at the moment. Waiting for the hard sale to slowly fade because of Apple licensing agreements, isn't what I would call market forces at work.

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angryone

I doubt its people waiting for Windows 8. Not only has word gotten around about how awful the Metro UI is for desktops and laptops without a touch screen, but Microsoft and computer manufacturers are offering upgrade deals for people who buy a Windows 7 PC now. If people were going to buy a PC and just wanted Windows 8, they could buy it now and get Windows 8 when it is released, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

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knurly

From my view the dip in sales doesn't have anything to do with Windows 8, but rather we're waiting for the Ivy Bridge machines to fully become fully available.

Just last week finally received the first batch of Dell E6430's to start our fleet refresh. And personally had an order in for a Samsung S9 NP900X4D for a couple of weeks that's still not shipping yet.

The Ivy Bridge mobile roll-out seems to be taking longer than originally expected...

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renodude18

Nope, not waiting at all. I'll be running Windows 7 for sometime or going to Apple for my computing needs.

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TechLarry

Waiting for Windows 8. LOL.

This should be good....

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DoctorX

Wait, people still buy prebuilt PCs? There is your problem. I build all my own PCs because everything else on the market is utter overpriced shit. Actually, with the exception of work, I dont think i can name a single prebuilt PC owned by the people i know. They are all custom built.

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praack

oh wait I get it - the fact that 8.2 % in the US are unemployed with a similar amount now considered unemployable.(so actually closer to 16%) sales across the board are down as people do not have disposable income. the EU is reeling but no - that has no bearing at all on PC sales- It is Windows 8! how dumb i am! no one in my extended family is spending money on PCs and do not plan to in the next 2 years- they have other more pressing priorities

So I wonder what will happen post launch if sales do not grow- will MS commision a survey to state that they are growing anyway?

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jnite

I bought a new computer recently, but before I did I thought if I should wait until Windows 8. Then I remembered a few things.

* Driver and Software Compatibility:
I'm guessing some stuff will naturally work or will have been developed in advance, but I doubt everything I use is just going to suddenly be compatible with 8.

* Early bugs:
Same logic I use for my game consoles. I avoid new consoles and OS until much later due to constant bugs, glitches, problems, etc. Early customers are essentially another level of testers for the product. I know there were customer previews, but I find these bugs don't show up in force until it hits the market.

* Very happy with Window 7:
Now I know how XP users feel. I'm quite happy with Windows 7 and would rather keep using it instead.

* Metro UI:
Not saying much because it's been beaten to death already.

* Computer specs powerful enough to upgrade:
Good enough computer that I shouldn't have any issues upgrading down the road if I want to.

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oldobamaliar

"I think in general we as consumers who are truly being stripped by the banks of our disposable income"

And just HOW are BANKS stripping us of disposable income? The government strips us of income.

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iheartpcs

Haven't you heard? PCs are dead. This has nothing to do with Win 8. I would estimate that 80% of average consumers don't even know Win 8 is coming out.

mh15216 says it all below me.

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mh15216

I think companies have in the last 2 decades started to push crappier products harder on what was originally eager naive consumers. There was a trend in America to sell good products at good prices that has gradually gone away in lieu of fervent marketing, over hyping poor products that don't meet expectations, and targeting people who would overpay for under performing products based on "must have shiny new" attitudes.

I think in general we as consumers who are truly being stripped by the banks of our disposable income are becoming much more intellectual consumers. We demand quality, and we demand it at a bargain. I don't see windows 8 saving anything. Your poppy crunchy run of the mill PC users are buying ipad's and tabs and using the internet to play apps and check facebook and occasionally make some purchases online, they aren't eagerly anticipating a junky "inbetween good OS release" OS from Microsoft on the 1 good, 1 bad pattern. People aren't in dire need of a home PC because there's a ton of cellular devices to supplement that "I need to get home to check something online" urge.

Personally, I just built a computer with Windows 7 and I'm more highly anticipating patches for win7 than I am the entire win8. Microsoft needs to come up with better ideas than revamping the OS every time they come close to getting it right.

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maxeeemum

I don't see Windows 8 helping the Desktop PC/Laptop market. In fact I think it will hurt it. The word is out that Win8 is a POS OS and will not be a determining factor for PC sales.

Even M$ says it does not expect their Surface tablet to be a big seller in 2012. It may generate some tablet sales but that's it.

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maxeeemum

I think Mom and Pop buyers usually get advice from family members who would know Win8 is not for them. Of course for the non-tech people I think PC makers will see something new. Costumers returning PCs because they don't work or they think they're broken.

Of course this could change! M$ could put out a PC version or PC companies could ship computers with mods to add a start menu. Or M$ realizes after a few weeks that they really f**ked up and puts out SP1 with a start menu for desktop PCs.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

A more accurate title would be...

PC Sales Remain Flat As motherboard manufacturers discontinue support for Operating Systems that are not Gov't Spyware Platforms

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livebriand

Where do people keep getting that from? Do you have any proof of it?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Absolutely

There are many documented examples here at Maximum Propaganda

Just read all of my past posts regarding Microsofts Security Essentials bypassing your firewall rules when EVERYTHING is blocked from accessing the Internet in the firewall, or Windows 7 sending the contents of RAM to Microsoft when you open "Secure" encrypted containers to get your decryption keys when you use actual secure encryption programs (No longer avail to the public in the U.S.)

and many many other examples you can try at home for yourself

Do yourself a favor and try the examples I provided in my past posts

The only people who say I wear a tinfoil hat, or that I have no evidence, or that I haven't taken my meds are the people involved or complete idiots who refuse to try my examples

Windows is Closed Source for a reason

That reason has nothing to do with protecting the intellectual property that Microsoft has repeatedly been sued for stealing from others

Each new iteration of Windows hides the spyware better than the last version but the question remains....

When will ANY of this be investigated by the people doing the spying or those covering it up?

NEVER!

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iheartpcs

"There are many documented examples here at Maximum Propaganda

Just read all of my past posts..."

Sorry, but your comments don't count as "Documented Examples"

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Bullwinkle J Moose

How would you know if you don't investigate?

Lying is so much easier for you it seems

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iheartpcs

What am I lying about, dummy?

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Cregan89

If Windows was government spyware, why would the US government spend millions of dollars to engineer spyware directly aimed at circumventing Windows security?

You're an idiot.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

That has already been covered in previous posts

You're an idiot

Besides, you can see that Windows is a spyware platform if you honestly look, but you won't

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BryceBooth

Perhaps I'm using a pseudonym, perhaps I work for Microsoft. We are watching you. Or are we? :p

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aarcane

I'm waiting on discrete graphics for my ultrabook purchase. nVidia FTW.
As for windows 8, what these firms fail to realize is that Sandy Bridge just happened, and that was a PHENOMENAL leap forward for processors, then ivy bridge comes along, and changes almost nothing. What are we supposed to be spending money on? Hundreds to Thousands extra to get the same performance point for more money?

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DoctorX

true.... i still am rocking my amd 1090T with 16GB memory and 9TB of disk with 5870. I keep saying i am going to upgrade, but I have yet come across a game i could not play yet.

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ronmccord

I am actually yes waiting for my next pc purchase and Windows 8 is a big factor. I am hoping that by waiting till Dec of 2012 or possible may of 2013 Windows 8 will be stable, all the bugs worked out as well. I am also hoping Office 13 gives me reason to upgrade from my 2007 version. As far as the Hardware I love the Tiki and am eyeing that to replace my Alienware Laptop ( I never even use the screen or keyboard of the laptop being hooked up to a 30 inch monitor.) I am also hoping for the reviews and reliablility to be proven over the next 6 months since it is also a new product. So I consider this a great time to buy. In 6 months both the computer I want and the operating system should be good to go! Oh Why do I want the Falcon Northwest Tiki? I live in Colombia so I need something to take on the plane, I am more then willing to pay for this beautiful small form factor gaming pc as shipping is over 500 dollars to Colombia and no you can't build it yourself down here all 2 year old parts at the same price as modern parts.

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Blaze589

Maybe people like their smartphones and found it sufficient for their needs.

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veryoldgamer

"Both IDC and Gartner believe that Windows 8, in combination of Ivy Bridge will inspire a new wave of hardware that will help rejuvenate the market in the second half of the year. Considering that Windows 8 won’t launch until mid to late October I’d say these are ambitious predictions, but that’s why they get paid the big bucks."

I've gone through everything recent from IDC and Gartner. I can't see anything published targeting "...the second half of the year." as a period of renewed pc sales growth. From IDC,--David Daoud, research director, Personal Computing at IDC. "We don't expect PCs using Windows 8 to boost growth significantly until the fourth quarter, which leads to a conservative outlook for the third quarter."

So where did the incredulous and sarcastic tone of your article come from? What's your source?

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Justin.Kerr

""These latest results validate IDC's expectation that the second quarter would be a transition period where both economic factors and anticipation for new products in the second half of the year would result in relatively low PC shipment growth,"

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23584912

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veryoldgamer

Sorry, Justin but you cannot go from that quote to ".. will inspire a new wave of hardware that will help rejuvenate the market in the second half of the year." Especially when the very next paragraph from IDC's Personal Computing Research Director is a very crisp and plain "We don't expect PCs using Windows 8 to boost growth significantly until the fourth quarter, which leads to a conservative outlook for the third quarter.".

That quote is not subject to any interpretation.

BTW, I think they are wrong. Neither Ivy Bridge nor Windows 8 will boost growth significantly in my opinion unless the macro global economy also grows significantly. That is just my opinion.

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Justin.Kerr

The third and fourth quarters make up "the second half of the year". So calling for improvements in Q4 validate my quote. 

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Happy

I don't think it's just that people are waiting. I think it's the economy as well, it's still in the crapper and computers are expensive.

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jnite

Agreed. Although if you know what to look for, you can find a decent computer for an affordable price. Note when I say decent I don't mean gaming but email, internet, some videos and music.

Problem is many probably don't know what's decent while at the same time being affordable. It can take a little patience and knowledge to find.

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aarcane

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