OnLive's Cloud-Gaming Service to Launch Thursday

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lunchbox73

People love to make up their minds about something without even trying it or seeing it for themselves. OnLive and iPad two perfect examples.

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xs0u1x

this "service" just wouldn't be a good purchase for me, I dunno maybe I'm a tightwad or just plain old fashion and looking for more bang/reliability for my buck, but i just can't justify spending the monthly fee, then buying the hardware, and the games on top of that. not to mention IMO the risks involved(outages mainly) just plain outweigh the benefits of getting this service. i'll stick to local pc gaming, nice concept though.

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aviaggio

What hardware? You don't need to buy hardware, that's the point.

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Peanut Fox

You still need something to play the game on.  Whatever that screen and controller may be.

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aviaggio

You only need their box if you don't have a computer.

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xs0u1x

aviaggo:

 

are they leasing that controller and box to you with the price tacked onto the service charge per month? what happens if i want to cancel the service, but I've "bought" 5-6 games on there? do i get a hard copy of those games sent in the mail or did I just throw my money down the tube?

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aviaggio

I don't know anything about the box. You don't need it if you have a computer.

If you cancel the service you lose access to any games you've bought. You might think of it as "throwing your money down the tube" but I see it like an MMO. Once you stop paying for the game you can no longer play even though you have the disc. And not being able to resell the game is no different than if you use Steam.

If the idea of buying the games doesn't appeal to you they also have a rental option, which IMO is the much better option.

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Peanut Fox

I still don't see it being a hit with hardcore gamers.  I don't see why they would want to pay for an inferior gaming experience.  The games will always look and play better on their native platforms. 

As far as sales go, an MMO is one type of game in your collection on that platform.  With OnLive, every game essentially becomes an "MMO".  For $40 (arbitrary number) you can either own the game forever, or only while you subscribe to OnLive.  I don't think it's that hard of a decision to make.  

The MMO argument is a bad comparison.  With an MMO you're paying for continually evolving content.  New and fresh things are always being added to the world.  The game you buy with OnLive, is still the same game a year from now, while with an MMO this isn't the case. 

If you want to rent games, there is GameFly, which would be a better option if you already have a system to play it on.

Really, the only people that I could see benifing from this is the person who only has a netbook, laptop, or desktop without a discrete card.  Even then it's a tough sale if the pricing model for the games doesn't play out.  

Besides that, assuming you are on a desktop dropping in a GTS 250/4850 isn't expensive, and those cards will still handle games today at middling to high settings.

 

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aviaggio

You're kinda missing the point. It's not for hardcore gamers. It's for casual gamers that want to play the same games as their hardcore friends without having to invest in gaming hardware.

I think the MMO comparison is fair. How many single player games do you play for over a year? You can plop down $40 for an MMO and own it forever, but if you don't pay the subscription fee you can't play it. It's exactly the same. If you're using the service it obviously means your computer can't otherwise play the games, so what use would it be to have a local copy? Of course renting the game is a much better option in my opinion.

And again, if you don't have the horsepower to play the game then GameFly doesn't help you. As for the cost of upgrading your machine with a 3 year old GTS 250 (around $125), that works out to over 2 years of OnLive at $5 a month. How viable is that 250 going to be in 2 years? And this is only if the CPU can handle new games and you have enough RAM.

There are a lot of people out there with older hardware that can't play games, that either can't get upgraded (like a laptop) or can't afford to upgrade. This is a viable option for them. Yeah, it's the netbook, laptop, and desktop without a discrete card crowd, but remember there's a lot more of them than there are us. It's not meant for MaximumPC readers.

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MarioJP

I like steam as it is as once the games you have bought is kept on your "local computer" even if the internet goes out!.

 

Secondly Hardware these days are dirt cheap (not the latest and greates that is out now) can run these games no problem at 1080p

Not only requiring subscription services a month, that is just to access service. On the top of that you have to rent or buy, but yet can't really keep as it is tide the main subscription service. You also have to worry about outages,can't no longer afforad it due to a financial crysis or just don't want to pay it anmore. Although I would say Its good for those people that are not tech geeks but don't ignore whats the reality of "cloud gaming"

 

Lastly is streaming. Thanks to our ISP puting a cap on how much bandwith usage you be using a month. Unless Onlive can strike a deal with these ISP's. Go over your limit and you be soon be paying more than you bargin.

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rseding91

Ahahahah! - Low latency video - that totaly cracked me up!

But serously, am I the only one who thinks this idea will totaly bomb?

1. Low latency video is called local video - AKA not streamed over the internet.
2. Inorder to stream a good quality video (1080P? - probably not) you will need a fast download speed.
3. Not everyone has a fast download speed (I don't even know what it would take to stream 1080P).
4. You have to pay for the fast internet AND the subscription to the gaming service.
5. If your internet goes out - your games are gone.
6. You don't physically own the games - they are all stored on some remote server so if they decide to change some policy - or go under - there is nothing you can do about it.
7. The hardware probably wont be cheap.

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

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aviaggio

Again, what hardware? You don't need any special hardware. 

IIRC the service requires a 5 mbs connection and streams at 720p. 

And I don't understand your complaints. It's on online service, so of course if your connection goes out you won't be able to play. It's no different than any MMO.

Yes, the game files are on their servers, but if your computer or laptop can't run the game directly then it doesn't matter cause you won't be able to play the game without the service anyway. Again, just like an MMO. I have WoW installed, but if I don't pay the monthly fee I still can't play it.

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rseding91

Hardware -> "OnLive microconsole" + controler?

Not everyone has 5 mbps connections - I know a lot of people who have lower end DSL or cable ~1-1.5mbps

From my understanding the service is meant to replace local consoles/dvd games.
MMO games are one of many types of games available. There are plenty of other games that don't require constant online connections to play that if you bought through this service would always require you to be online.

If you own a physical copy of a game you can install it on what ever you might have or will have in the future. If your copies are on some remote server you ALWAYS rely on that server to be online and working to play your games.

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ushim6

For people like me who only occasionally play games(usually just Valve games like HL). I can fire up the subscription for $15, buy a game, play it, finish it, and not have to worry about updating hardware ever.

 

Which reminds me: I think it's still $15 a month after the first promotional year rate of $5. To me I think it's a good deal either way for different types of gamers. Doesn't hurt that I got a free year AND a free game for pre-registering :)

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aviaggio

I hope it does well. With enough support this could really be a useful service.

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