Oh Snap! Exasperated Judge Says Apple's 'Smoking Crack' with Long Witness List

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Wily_One

This case is clearly too big for this inexperienced judge. Koh is making arbitrary decisions and now resorts to unprofessional outbursts.

No matter the outcome, instant appeal. What a waste of everyone's time and the taxpayer's money.

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alienplayer

This is what I got

"I mean come on, 75 pages! 75 pages! You want me to do an order on 75 pages? Unless you're smoking crack, you know these witnesses aren't going to be called when you have less than four hours.
If it turns out I went through 75 pages for people who are not going to be called, I am going to think of a proper tax for that'

'Apple's attorney, meanwhile, ensured Koh that he's not smoking crack, though he might be playing with fire. The same is true for Samsung.'

'Koh threatened to shorten trial time if both sides keep inundating the court with paperwork.'
"I'm billing time because you all are being unreasonable," Koh said.

It is just me or it's turning into a belligerent courtroom drama..

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methuselah

Steve Jobs is dead and this fight should have died with him.

Apple is crying because a better product than theirs has come out. They need to suck it up and start innovating again.

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kiaghi7

Unfortunately that's something Apple has never done...

Apple does not, and has never, innovated... They use, take, or steal another entities' idea as their own.

Apple's greatest claim to fame is packaging and public-relations.

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Xenite

Exactly, then the cult of apple having drank the kool-aid eat it up.

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Shalbatana

I like this judge. She knows the whole patent thing is horrible and that these companies think they can steamroll their way through the system by sheer might.

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I've been reading some of the comments below and I must say, you guys are almost as amusing as the trial itself.

Just an [honestly, not trying to insult, i'm just trying to help you in life here] word of thought to [most of] you: Know what you're talking about before you make criticisms of it. Also, resorting to insulting people outright, also makes you look even worse.

If you don't know how to state your case intelligently, people won't listen to what you say.

...and by the way, it IS her job (and her right) as a judge to say such things. She's not lazy, she's good.

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chop_slap

America is definitely the most entertaining nation in the world...gotta give em that.

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maxeeemum

The US justice system is the "laugh stock of the world". The California justice system is the "laughing stock of the US". That's why OJ got off despite all the evidence against him. That's why Apple is suing there.

In the UK it's a different story. Apple lost its suit against Samsung.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-18/apple-must-publish-notice-samsung-didn-t-copy-ipad-judge-says.html

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maxeeemum

Yep!............ OK!............. That was just a general statement and I'm not going to debate the OJ trial but I am referring to Judge Lance Ito who allowed the trial to spiral down into a media circus. The whole trial was bugled and the jury never got to see all of it. Google it! He should have been removed from the bench. Now lets not go there!

Judge Lucy Koh ruled against Apple at first then reversed it after a higher court told her to revisit the case. Only in California! Than she banned a Samsung phone after that!!!!!!

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Sir Hobbes3

If you ask me, I think this whole thing is stupid, but of course apple wants their money because people are idiots and they think a device that CLEARLY says SAMSUNG on the front and/or back of it looks like an iPhone or iPad even though they really look a lot different.

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sundropdrinker3

This is a common tactic used so the other side won't know who is going to actually be called, so the other side has to waste time preparing for everyone instead of like 5 people.

Also, what 75 pages is she talking about? She's not supposed to read anything herself. She is supposed to find out when it is presented in court, not read about it on her toilet. That's called forming an opinion beforehand.

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Carlidan

What are you talking about? The judge has to know who to call to the stand. Of course she has to read the witness list. Who do you think has to write an order for witness to appear to court?

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sundropdrinker3

2 dozen people are not going to take up 75 pages. Plus, they don't have to read the witness list. I've been to court several times and not once did the judge read the witness list.

The judge doesn't call ANYONE to the stand, the lawyers do.

The judge doesn't write the order for the witness to appear. Witnesses are either voluntary or subpoenaed. Subpoenas are NOT issued by judges, but by the Clerk of Court in the NAME of the judge.

Learn your shit before running your mouth about something you obviously know nothing about. Thank you so much for wasting my oxygen.

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noobstix

Tiem to un-pimp ze Apple.

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sirnotapearing

OK so apple is trying to establish grounds for an appeal. by calling witnesses that they know they can't get to. as well as tie Samsung up with cross. kind think they may not have made their case. or they are unsure of what Samsung has up it's sleeves and don't want to give any more time.

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Eoraptor

Frankly, I'd be more than happy, more than thrilled... practically orgasmic even, if the judge just ruled all their patents void and sent them home to contemplate how to start doing business in the world the rest of us have to live in.

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tekknyne

Here, here! LOL

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chop_slap

Friggin A, person!

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Typo91

Agreed! Signed!

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jgottberg

"If it turns out I went through 75 pages for people who are not going to be called, I am going to think of a proper tax for that,"

It's called doing your job, Judge Koh.

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Satchboy

Wasting the judges time for no reason is not part of the job.

If they only have 4 hours to call witnesses then then what does apple expect to ask these witnesses and still fit all of them in? Especially since Samsung's lawyers will be able to cross examine these witnesses.

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ZayLay

Don't hate the player hate the game

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tekknyne

Umm, the players reinforce the game by playing in it and validating it and giving it meaning. Why can't we hate them too?

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jgottberg

Apple is exercising their legal rights and the judge is the moderator. It's her job.

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kevaskous

Negative, it's not Apple's right to do whatever they please to meet their ends, like in everything else in the world, that they seem to not live in, there are limits, they are trying to surpass them, she an't having it, good for her, same goes for Samsung if they do something similar.

The trial has parameters, they must abide by them, period.

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jgottberg

Yeah but we aren't talking about small claims court. Million, even billions, are riding on this. The lawyers wouldn't be doing THEIR jobs if they didn't explore all possible avenues. It's our legal system, love it or hate it.

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tekknyne

jgottberg, You're a fool if you think a lawyer's job is to try to exploit the law. That doesn't make any sense. Do you think stealing is OK if you don't get caught???

Furthermore, your tax dollars pay for the court to function. Do you think this is a sensible way to spend the money that you earn!?!? Maybe you don't have a job.

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jgottberg

Ummm... it pretty much IS their job to exploit the law. To the extend that the law allows. Believe me, both sides are doing it. Which leads me to think... If this were Samsung trying this strategy, would that change your perspective? I'd be willing to bet you would be cheering on Samsung for sticking it to Apple.

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jgrimoldy

Jgottberg:

Agreed, and props for using the right term: "legal system." Far too many blithely throw around the term, "justice system," which is some fantasyland notion that has very little to do with the United States.

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tony2tonez

im kinda with you on this jgottberg. Its the lawyers job to perform due diligence on behalf of their client. Thats what they get paid for. Are they excessive at time or in this case, yes but unless they broke a rule or law for submitting paperwork, then its the judges or courtrooms job to review all the material.

I guess she doesn't feel like doing her job to fullest extent of the law.

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Nimrod

your a fucking idiot to the fullest extent of the law

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tony2tonez

sorry but your comment would not hold up in a court of law.

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Khoiboi

Let's say between witness testimony and cross examination of each witness takes a total of 15 minutes, somehow if they're lucky. That's four witnesses per hour, 16 for four hours - that's still not enough time for the two dozen. Just like how people were saying that Samsung's Lawyers did a bad job by not presenting their evidence in time, Apple's lawyers are idiots if they think they can actually call up two dozen witnesses in four hours. Most lawyers pick and choose their best testimonies and present them at the best time in order to maximize the effect of the testimony - this seems more like a shotgun blast hoping something would stick.

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Dxcv

It is like the spread offense in college football. Present as many options as possible so that the defense has to prepare for everything and hope they spread themselves out too thin.

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sundropdrinker3

This is a common tactic used so the other side won't know who is going to actually be called, so the other side has to waste time preparing for everyone instead of like 5 people.

Also, what 75 pages is she talking about? She's not supposed to read anything herself. She is supposed to find out when it is presented in court, not read about it on her toilet. That's called forming an opinion beforehand.

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