OCZ Claims Die Shrink Will Lead to Lower Priced SSDs

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wirehedd

I'm so stoked about SSD tech coming into mainstream pricing. The notion that mechanical drives are slowly going the way of PATA interfaces is just one more thing we can all be happy about. 

I'm curious about how companies are moving to a cooperative drive system with SSD boot drives and platter drives as storage. Most home systems would not be able to use an SSD as their only drive due to the extreme BLOAT of home PC software and media libraries so it makes sense but howlong until everything is either SSD or even cloud based?

The fact that most home PCs now have hundreds of gigabytes of data to terabytes is astounding when I think back to my first hard drive being only 5 megabytes and being the size of VCR (and costing me $599.00 from Radio Shack).:)

Ah. memories. We've come from the days of the Timex Sinclair and the Commie PET to today's powerhouse systems which can do more in fractions of a second than those beasties of the past were able to do in weeks if even at all.

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SirEbrum

Well I'll say that this has been one the most entertaining threads in a while! 

While I'm no power user with my personal PC's, I've worked professionally in the PC industry for a while, and I took the plunge into SSD with a Kingston 64gb SSD last year.  My lowly work-laptop, a Dell D630, came back from a trip to the scrapheap after swapping the 120GB drive for the 64gb SSD.  What a remarkable difference it made in my day-to-day work.

All of my applications (Oracle, MS Office, etc.) are 'snappier' then even the newer laptops that are being handed out to the new crowd.  Oracle is up in a matter of 15 seconds, rather than what seemed an eternity.  Coworkers see my laptop perform like nothing they've seen, as I've forgotten those days of starting my laptop and then going to get coffee while the thing takes forever to boot.

And since the swap, I have dropped the laptop once, coming out of a conference, powered on.  While the LCD was damaged, my data was perfectly fine.  I dropped the same laptop two years ago and LOST EVERYTHING on the HDD (lesson learned).

SSD has many advantages.  Much like WD's Caviar Green, Blue, and Black series, expect to see Entry, Main Stream, and "OMG" levels of SSD's.  Hard disks will certianly be there for the big storage, and believe it or not, even tape will be around for a while for long-term archiving.

 

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whathuhitwasntme

any real "power" user that is worth his weight in saliva

would not be caught dead buying PC component parts in BEST BUY! Talk about shopping at the most expensive store you can and bitch about pricing? Have ya heard of newegg? tigerdirect, monoprice? come on get with it. and 1996 does not make you an old hand at this.

 

Most of us here remember buying a pc mag and typing in the code by hand to play a game. Floppies were actually FLOPPY once.

 

I expect that as you see OS size SSD drives approach the 100 dollar mark, you will see them become main stream for most system builders. That was the price point for me and the raptor drives before SSD, when they got under 100 bucks for 74gb I got one. 120 SSD sandforce drive around 100 bucks = win, and slam in the NON raid tb drive for 60 bucks, and everybody happy.

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5150cd

They forgot to tell you how much performance will suffer:

 

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?84821-New-update-on-the-25nm-OCZ-SSD-drives

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chronium

Umm where do they mention performance drops?

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DSS

Right now at Newegg a 60Gb can be had for $89.99. A 90GB for $144.99.

Now for a primary boot drive 90GB is plenty. You can have all of the benefits of SSD.

Windows 7 will boot up in 30 seconds. Windows Experience Rate for the drive will be around 7.5 to 7.9 up from around 5.9.

Use a regular SATA drive for all of you data on D:\. The libraries in Windows 7 make it very easy to transfer your Documents, Pictures, Music, Videos, Favorites and Desktop to the D Drive.

As stated above - 1TB HDD $79.00

A SSD for $144 for a combine price of $224 for SSD performance and HDD storage.

Not a bad deal when you think about it.

 

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maleficarus™

Doing what you suggested requires some form of RAID. Not to many people are interested in RAID. I personally can't be bothered with RAID. Too many potential problems with data loss. Honestly, does it really make that much of a difference if your OS boots up in 30 seconds or 60 seconds? If your life is so busy that 30 seconds matter then you have issues that need to be fixed well before a PC upgrade...

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rawrnomnom

Have you ever touched a motherboard? An ssd does more than increase boot times, it increases responsiveness to the user's imputs, allows easier handling of large files, and decreases system bottlenecks, Games load in much less time and often with higher frame rates, ssds are more reliable with lower failure rate, they aren't susceptable to being shaken or dropped like mechanical drives are. So how is an ssd a poor choice? Also, in what way would you need to have a raid to store files on 2 different drives? thats like saying if you wanted to use a USB flash drive you have to RAID it to your OS drive. :facepalm: all you have to do is move your root user folders to the mechanical hard drive for file storage, and spend 30 min setting your system up to optimise your ssd experience. Go to how stuff works and read for a few hours before you talk about things you obviously don't understand.

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maleficarus™

Obvious you didn't read my reply post below. First, stop with the sales pitch. First, who the hell shakes there hard drive anyways? For that matter who drops them? I have never dropped a hard drive and I have probally handled 20 of them over the years. The only thing that apeals to me about SSD's is the fact that they do not require defragging and they make no noise. Other then that, big deal...

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DSS

Apparently you have never cracked open a PC.

It has absolutly nothing to with Raid. Practically every PC for the last mellennium has been able to hook up 4 drives. For a long time there was a single hard drive and 2 cdrom drives. CD's have the same feature connector has a hard drive. Now most PC's today have only 1 CD-DVD and 1 hard drive with 2 open ports for either combination that you choose. 1 HD and 3 CD-DVD's or 3 HD's and 1 CD-DVD. It does not matter and it is not Raid and there are NO SPECIAL software needed. It is built in to the hardware and the OS.

Raid has absolutly nothing to do with this. And yes 30 seconds is a big deal because it translates into a different user experince with regard to anything you use a PC for. 

Since 30 seconds means nothing to you, then try educating yourself on PC 101 basics before posting something you abviously know nothing about. RAID - &*#%@! LOL 

 

 

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maleficarus™

I am sorry. I read what you wrote wrong, I thought you said hooking up two drives to increase speed. That is a RAID aray. And please don't be smart ass--I have been building PC's since 1996 quake2 days so I do know a thing or two about PC's  =) I was around when 3dfx was king...

Having said that having several hard drives gives more portential for extra problems, this is fact and even a newbie should have the common sense to see this yes? Adding more of something might save you a few bucks, but there are other potential problems that comes with that. All you suggesting is putting on a band-aid...

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maleficarus™

I was at my local Best-Buy here in Canada last night and the cheapest SSD they had was an 128GB model for $300.00! Right beside that, they had a 1TB HDD model selling for $79.00. SSD has a long way to go! It just makes no logical sense for anyone to spend that kind of money for faster boot and loading times. I would sooner invest in a hybrid drive!

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MrBlueCheese

I agree with you there. I work in Retail (not at Best Buy) and many customers base their decisions on price. They don't really care that SSD's offer better preformance, because they are more concerned about their budget. I can see this change in a few years.

What i'm more excited about is having SSD's for laptops. The last time i checked, 256GB's were the maximum capacity of SSD's. This is a little too small for me, but within a few years, i'll consider getting one for my laptop. I know plenty of people who have laptops who have had hard drive failures and anything that aims to reduce the chance of failure, while at the same time, increasing the relibility of a computer is worth looking into.

I can see where your coming from. If i had the research, i would gladly post it.

Also, it seems that some people have their numbers confused. Microsoft is the one that advertise 30 sec loading times. I believe Maximum PC a while back tried to confirm the claims, only to be short by a few seconds. I just built my Mom's PC (six core, HDD) and it has 55 sec load time. However, my laptop (dual core, HDD) takes 3 full minutes to load (which is confirmed by Soluto). Now for my mom's PC, it may not make much of an impact (since i went with a top-of-the-line HDD with one of the fastest specs in the market) but it may make a HUGE impact on my laptop (since it was an outdated model and everything).

Also, even if you do upgrade to a SSD, the bottleneck now would (possibly) be the motherboard (or SATA II connection).

For PC enthusiast, SSD might be the way to go. For the average consumer who have other priorities, it won't even come as a possibilitiy to them.  The only way an average consumer can adopt these technologies is to have a Geek/PC tech friend who tell them these benefit. That or a REALLY good sales person.

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Sparx10

If you live in Alberta or Manitoba, there's a great store called Memory Express, they have low prices on everything :D (usually lower than Newegg.ca or Newegg.com)

Edit: ah, checked your profile. You are in Toronto D:

Well, I'm pretty sure Memory Express ships anywhere in Canada, as well it's usually free if it's over $100 :D

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chronium

Well for starters you went to best buy. All their computer parts are over priced. Canada Computers or any other independant store would sell one for less.

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maleficarus™

I agree I always shop there. But the average user dosen't and that is my point. Having said that it still dosen't matter, SSD is way over priced no matter where you go. Sorry, I am not convinced in spending 10X more for 10X less for a more "responsive" PC. I am pretty sure an extra 20 seconds here or an extra 10 seconds there is not going to kill me LOL

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Silver925

Careful what you say before you try it. Adding an SSD has had the MOST impast on the general 'feel' of my PC. I don't notice the trimmed second her and there, or the faster start-up / shut-down. I DO notice that the system 'just responds' no matter what it's doing. If I click a shorcut or Alt+Tab from a program, it just does it NOW. On a traditional HDD, there's a noticable sluggishness.

 

Haveing an SSD at home has spoiled me on my work PCs. They just don't 'jump' when I say so like my home PC does.

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