Nvidia Calls The PS4 “Low End”

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Rift2

Console games are o
obsolete considerding you pay 430.00 for a PS3 and 70.00 for teh game now.. 70.00 is the New price point going around on new sites.

Considering alot of games on free for Steam Console needs some really good titles in order to even make a splash like the PS3 did.

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WarpathPS

I find it interesting how console users think you "have" to upgrade your PC all of the time. I personally buy new graphics cards about every 4 years for about $150. People who worry about bragging rights are paying for serious rigs or they simply make a lot of money and it doesn't matter to them. The fact is, with PC games, you have more emersion through graphics and content. Many games are free online now, you have services like Steam, you can even use free voice servers like Raidcall, and modding is also amazing. 7 year old game? No problem, download a mod and now your loving it all over again. Not to mention the PC can actually get work done and you don't have to wonder if a movie is in "mp4" format to play it because your PC plays it all. The simple fact is playing consoles is like having sex with a condom on and playing games on PC is like having a 3 some.

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AFDozerman

This reeks of butthurt. I would bet my bottom dollar that if they had some half-assed GPU of their own in there, they would be talking it up like they just put a man on the moon. This is more about damage control than a legitimate argument. Kind of a moot one, too, considering desktop PCs will be lightyears ahead of this by the time they launch it.

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Neufeldt2002

For the most part I tend to remain silent on these kind of discussions.

However, I have been thinking about consoles lately and their role. To me, consoles are a "good enough" gaming platform, that is to say that most people that buy consoles for gaming find them "good enough". To almost everyone on this site, "good enough" is not good enough, hence PC gaming, because we demand the best we can afford, whether certain people can accept that or not is irrelevant. Nothing I say or they says can change anyone's mind so arguing is pointless. In the realm of gaming though most people buy consoles these days for "good enough" gaming, but also the expanding role as a cheap media center for the living room. I have a PS3 and a Wii in my living room, I bought them for the kids, but as they have gotten older they have started to game on PC's because of the freedom of input configurations that comes with it (more customizable). The Wii is still used occasionally but the PS3 has more or less been more a media center than anything else. And that is where I think consoles are going, "good enough" gaming with more focus on media center functions. For "good enough" gaming you don't need high end parts, just current enough for the masses, and less components in the machine means cheaper to build and higher profits. I think if nVidia had a x86 CPU they could have been in the running for the consoles but because they only have GPU's and the Tegra it lost out.

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AFDozerman

Agreed. When me and my wife got married, she brought into the mix her PS3. I think I've played it twice in the last three years. Know what we do a lot of, though? Watching Blu-Rays on it.

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vrmlbasic

Pretty much the same here.

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Jeffredo

Its not like he's lying. Consoles (whether NV or AMD powered) have never been close to a decent gaming rig. Their only strength is accessibility, portability and standardized hardware that allow developers to optimize more easily and cheaply. That's not going to change with the latest gen.

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mh15216

I think the irony in this entire argument is "if the PS4 is so bad ass, why was SONY running the demo of it on a PC?"

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LatiosXT

I feel like a lot of this smack talk is just marketers who don't know what they're talking about up to their shenanigans again. I bet the engineers are facepalming themselves right now.

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Mediziner

I'll just throw away my $20,000 rig with dual Xeons and quad-SLi'd GeForce Titans and get the $500 PS4. You know why? Because PC gaming is dead. Also, an 8-core??? WHOAH!!!! PC tech has NEVER and NEVER will get this far. It will also have graphics the PC will NEVER, EVER get. (Sarcasm)

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Zstreek

lol. You wish you had that pc.... :) Even if you did, how pointless would it be?

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Mediziner

Yeah, I do.

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beta212

By all accounts, that is a workstation AND NOT a gaming pc. Some few things that could remotely utilize something like that would be some highly specific tasks on matlab or ray tracing. Currently games are not able to scale linearly across something like that. If you really did spend 20,000 then you must be stupid. Even now, I am surprised by what 8 year old consoles can accomplish, give the optimizations I would not be surprised if the new consoles temporarily surpass PCs in providing a better gaming experience/graphics quality.

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Mediziner

I mean with Crysis 3 at max everything with 6 3-D 4K monitors...

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Paper Jam

But "temporarily" is the key word for me. Clearly consoles serve a purpose and can look very good. But three, four, eight years after their releases, I feel they hinder the advancement of gaming. Developers go where the most money is, and consoles bring gaming to the masses. It's just sad that others platforms like smartphones, tablets, and PC graphics solutions advance so much every year, but the advancement of gaming is dictated by the much much much slower evolution of consoles.

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PCLinuxguy

Agreed. Yes consoles are the easy way to do things and it's made game developers lazy. It's easier to keep coding for the same platform for 8 years than it is to keep your skills sharp and code for something more advanced that keeps advancing and offers more when worked correctly.

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limitbreaker

There shouldn't even be an argument that the PS4 will out perform current PC's... at least at the start like every console generations before that. Consoles are a lot more efficient at using the hardware and developers will now have direct hardware access that will help make that supposedly 7870 speed apu in the ps4 run as fast as a gtx titan or better (pure educated guess).
I can't really understand this whole PC vs Console mentality that some people have anyways, it's just plain stupid and childish. I think most PC gamers are willing to own a console too because it's just two different worlds when it comes to gaming. I would much rather play Dark Souls on a console and i can't imagine playing a jRPG on a pc meanwhile I can't stand playing a FPS game online with a PS3 controller.

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warlok180

Overall, it feels like Nvidia is sour graping. I do agree with him that the consoles will NOT outperform a PC---that is, a PC that is built for gaming. If you look at the majority of PCs owned by the average population, I do think that the PS4 and the new Xbox will outperform them since most of these PCs were built for standard word processing and web browsing. The consoles will never match a performance or gaming PC.

Seeing how great the new Tomb Raider looks on my PC with a GTX 670 I don't ever think the new consoles can match it. That said, Sony has already stated that this new console generation isn't about graphics and specs. It's going to be about the experience and the games. The extra processing should lead to better games though and since most developers use the consoles as the lead development platform, hopefully with the stronger consoles this will result in better games (graphics anyway) on the PC.

If a game is available on PC, I prefer that version. However, there are some great games on the consoles that I love to play i.e., Uncharted series, Halo, Metal Gear, God of War, etc.

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thekkeffect

will my 560 run "next gen" graphics?

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Mediziner

No, it will not be able to play Crysis 3 at ultra, if that's what you're asking... not even at high.

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Mediziner

No, it will not be able to play Crysis 3 at ultra, if that's what you're asking... not even at high.

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thekkeffect

i tried crysis 3 and yea it runs like crap. thinking of upgrading to either a 680 or a 7970. i usually go nvidia but thinking of amd this time around. any recommendations?

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drevas

I don't get it. I don't have STEAM on a computer that doesn't have dedicated graphics. Intel Integrated Graphics won't run the kind of games I like to play.
It really does sound like sour grapes from Nvidia. I haven't bought an Nvidia GPU since AMD came out with the 3850.
I'm not saying Nvidia is bad, I used to use Nvidia cards all the time. I just like AMD now.
I think this is going to turn out to be a minor strategic mistake by Nvidia, but who knows.

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Hey.That_Dude

NVidia's just pissed because they STILL don't have x86 tech. That and an 8 core jaguar is pretty sweet considering the performace per watt.
Plus, NVidia, IF we wanted a PS4 that looked like a computer then we'd get a computer... duh.

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noobstix

"Some developers have actually been so bold as to claim the PS4 will outperform current PC’s due to its innovative use of fully integrated GDDR5 RAM"

HAHA!!!! GDDR5 has been around for years and a lot of people by now have a GPU that uses that type of memory (unless they use an HTPC or a low-end gaming computer).

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Hey.That_Dude

Integrated graphics have NEVER used GDDR5. And they have only recently gotten modern graphics cards to take GDDR5 at 7 GHz, which is the current maximum speed.

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jonnyohio

I believe u r right, though video cards have used DDR5 for awhile now...but I'm not sure since when. The added "G" is just a marketing ploy to make it sound better when in reality it is just DDR5...at any rate it's nothing spectacular.

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Hey.That_Dude

Actually the G designates that it is only ever going to be 32b wide. And since DDR5 doesn't even exist I don't see how you can say it's "just DDR5 for graphics cards." For all you know DDR5 might make an entirely different connection paradigm, such as opto-electronics or some crazy shite like that.

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beta212

Classic example of a pissed off fox and sour grapes.
If nvidia actually got one deal, it would be bashing the other console for lack of physx support. Now, because it didn't get any deals, it's bashing console gaming as a whole. Instead they made a niche and something that will be almost certainly overpriced shield. That said, amd is just as bad when it comes to bashing nvidia.

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Blackheart-1220

GLORY TO THE PC GAMING MASTER RACE!!!

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TrollBot5000

lol round up all the console gamers and send them to concentration camps. (its a joke people I'm not anti semitic!!)

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beta212

Finally someone mentions that.

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Renegade Knight

Lets see what kind of hot stuff Nvidia's console will be.

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beta212

An overpriced(likely), oddly shaped, android based shield, using components that are designed for smartphones(yet vendors seem hesitant to use). For more laughs visit( http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2013/03/17/how-the-samsung-galaxy-s4-will-compete-with-sony-playstation-4/ )

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Paper Jam

Loved the article. Makes one wonder how MS and Sony plan to stretch the new console gen seven years when tablets and smartphones are on pace to exceed them in performance in a much shorter period of time. Especially when you consider most people upgrade phone every two years or less. Samsung Galaxy S6 with an HDMI cable and wireless controller beats PS4 and Xbox in benchmarks. You heard it here first.:)

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devin3627

people won't understand the standard of gaming of consoles... we are using SSD here. remember nintendo cartridges which were instant loading. we aren't used to the type of gaming that the xbox 720 is introducing.... 8gb of video memory storing sprite animations, shaders, wind, light. once you are near the area, it loads full detail when you are in front of it. we aren't doing 2k or 4k here. the xbox 720 has a different way of putting things onto the screen like painting it with textures and artists intent not being limited. hell! if it were up to microsoft! games would come digital or and be stored on usb 3.0 thumbdrives. disc readers have been a problem with all console manufactures, why can't they just drop the technology? its too sensitive like HDDs are and how they are being replaced with SSDs.

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beta212

:nostalgic: I still remember my first laptop bought in 2000. Had a 1.8GB harddrive, 256mb of ram, and windows 2000. Those were the good days...

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devin3627

8gb of GDDR5 RAM. a different type of gaming that focuses on ready-stored textures in favor of artist's intent. processing effects isn't an issue in 1080p anymore. the reason "Rage" turned out so horrible is because of textures and artists intent.

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devin3627

guess what guys, i am running skyrim with the texture pack combiner. four 2k textures into one amazing one. not to mention the dozens of mods that make water and skys hd, trees, etc. i am basicly playing on a system superior to playstation 4. enough said. its consoles faults games are only 8gb DVDs.

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Bizarre

Interesting. So if AMD got the next-gen contracts, are we better off buying AMD cards for PC's in the near future? Since many games are released for consoles and ported to PC's, is it a good bet that a PS4 console port will run better on a PC with an AMD card?

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Paper Jam

The Xbox 360 and original Wii both used AMD graphics, so how did those PC ports look to you?

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limitbreaker

This time around we're getting x86 also which will help make porting a lot easier and hopefully they're going to invest more time into making it a good port.

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Paper Jam

Hope you're right. I like consoles, but the PC has so much more potential. If as much effort went into taking full advantage of modern mid to high end PC hardware as what goes into optimizing games to play on six and seven plus year old console hardware, we would probably be seeing photo realistic gaming today. As it stands we may have to wait out another eight year console generation before we get there.

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AntiJohnny

"Keep in mind the most popular GPU today as reported by Steam is an Intel integrated part, and two generation old Nvidia hardware is the runner up."

i have steam installed on several PCs. only one of those is my gaming PC with a current graphics card, since that is the only PC I play high end games on. That skews the stat you are looking at. I wonder how many other gamers have the same setup.

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beta212

True for me, I have steam installed on 3 computers. One is a laptop with integrated graphics(intel has difficulty reaching 30 fps on some flash games), One has nvidia 550ti which is usable, and one has amd 7970 oc. I only use the last computer for any serious prolonged gaming. Definitely skews the results. They should start recording stats only if 2 hours of gaming is reached.

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fung0

Nvidia may be speaking from a position of bias, but their comments are not without some validity. The PS4 is far from a quantum leap in processing power.

What's more, the system's bog-standard PC specs emphasize that what Sony's flogging IS essentially a PC - with all the flexibility and upgradeability stripped out, and hamstrung by some bizarro proprietary operating system.

What's more, the PS4 is not cheaper than a PC - because it only gets you access to half of the games ecosystem. You'll still need to shell out for an Xbox 720 (and/or Wii U) to access the rest. For the price of two (or three) consoles that contain almost exactly the same hardware, but are deliberately designed to be incompatible, you could own a very sweet PC.

AMD or Nvidia... does it really matter? Gamers should realize that if they buy into yet another generation of proprietary consoles, they're getting a lot less than their money's worth, and supporting an evolutionary dead end.

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carage

I am sure a modern PC could slap the PS4 around when it is released, but probably at three times the cost.
AMD's best consumer grade CPU can only deal with Intel's midrange, so we can expect i5 performance on the CPU side at best, and on the GPU side I would be surprised if it performs any better than a 7850, probably 7870 at best, even with GDDR5 integration and OS optimizations.

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dgrmouse

I believe that the CPU is made up of their low-power, low-performance chip. The one that performs a little worse than Intel's Atom. Expecting i5 performance from it, regardless of how many cores it has, is to be setup for failure. Then again, it will probably be good enough for what it needs to do for now.

One important point that has to be considered, though, is that modern PC gaming sucks pretty badly. If you do anything on your computer other than gaming, then installing games is a huge security risk. The licenses from games and the software required to play them (Origin, Punkbuster, Steam, UPlay, etc) are pretty invasive and atrocious. If it is possible to play this next generation of consoles without ever going online, it's going to be a MUCH more attractive option for a lot of folks, regardless of hardware capabilities or price.

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Paper Jam

But therein lies the rub. MS and Sony have both expressed their desire to have one time use activation codes and always on internet in order to play on the upcoming generation. The desire to combat used game sales will inevitably trump users rights, if not this generation then almost certainly on the next.

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Jox

"...which launched in March 2012, more than a year and a half ago."

Wow... my calendar must be WAY off. I had no idea that it was October already.

-Jox

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